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1. 04:47 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (Greg McFarlane)
2. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Ignition (Bill Watson)
3. 11:58 AM - Re: Interior paint (woxofswa)
4. 01:27 PM - Re: Interior paint (Bill Watson)
5. 02:25 PM - Re: Locking fuel caps?? (Dj Merrill)
6. 02:54 PM - Re: Locking fuel caps?? (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
7. 03:50 PM - Re: Locking fuel caps?? (Phil Perry)
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
O Boy Jim talk about a can of worms. Interesting grab of the last 2 weeks of Matronics
re electronic ignition, you sound just like my Mag AP. All the Spam Cans
who haven't got the option of bringing ignition forward at least 80 years take
it for granted, mag failure on ramp RPM drop 400 or 800 due to oiled up plugs
or bad points, failure in flight, no worries, just hope we can make it home
one one. We expect overhaul at 500 hours..... no worries at least we don't have
to have a back up battery, What's the best starting technique? o hell we've
just blown a starter cause we've had hot start issues. I think Tim's option
of two bob each way (sorry a quarter each way) one EI & One Mag is best option,
You get 90% of the advantage of Dual Electronic Ignition ie Optimum Timing,
Easy Starting, Better fuel economy, Smooth running, Better Idle. Electronic readouts
for RPM, MP & Timing Position of Ignition with Lightspeed. Wack in a Mag
as an easy backup but be careful about relying on it after more than 200Hrs.
Maybe the stats would be different if Klaus recommended overhauls at 500 Hours
or even less because of the advantages of EI cause nothing lasts forever. Cheers
from Western Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Just to be clear, I didn't mean to open up the whole can of worms about
whether EI is advisable or not based on reliability, availability and
serviceability
My understanding is that EI can perform better than mags and I assume it
does. So far some words about MPG being the proper metric and increased
efficiency being the payoff have been posted. Okay, I agree.
I know it's tough and expensive to do any side by side testing so I
guess none has been done that is somehow relevant to the '10. I was just
curious.
Bill "knows that EI is the future while flying around with 2 mags" Watson
On 5/17/2013 7:43 PM, JimVillani wrote:
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> Well,
>
> 1st of all
> let's look at all of Just the "Matronics Mail" sent in about Electronic
> Ignitions within
> just the last 2 weeks with "An open Mind"...
>
> 1) I never have to "Carry extra coils with my mags in case one fails"
> 2) I never have to "Open my oil door to let my mag cool off"
> 3) I can "Fly without any electricity" in my plane with my mags
> 4) I dont have to "Face my plane into the wind to cool my mags" after any
> flight...
> 5) Mags have at least a "60 year history of reliability"
> 6) I can get Mag parts (Points) at about any FBO,
> Or
> I can file them down,
> Set the "Gap" with a "match book cover"
> And
> Make them work to get me home.
>
> Try doing that with EI...
>
> And last but not least...
>
> 7) I dont need a "Backup Electronic Ignition" for my mags...
>
> as is "Recommended my most A&P mechanics",
> Most all articles written about EI,
> Or anyone who has used EI in the past..
>
> And all of that is from the last few weeks of "Matronics mail"......
>
> Havent read much about "Mag Failure" in the last few years...Have you?
>
>
> I read the stats in a magazine article about reasons why experimental
> airplanes
> Fail in flight or need emergency landings.
> Yes it was on line, and from a reputable source...
> The article was written a few months ago,
> and confirmed my prior research on EI.
>
> The article did mention than less than 5% of airplanes crash due to
> mechanical failure,
> The article also mentioned crashes or emergency landings were mostly Pilot
> error.
>
> The article went on to talk about engine modifications,
> and it did address mags vs EI,
>
> It said mags fail 8% of the time,
> and EI failure rate was 16%,
> Twice as often as mags...
>
> "Dont Shoot me",
> "I am just the messenger"...
>
> I will find the article and post it...
>
> Now I was going to use EI,
> but
> I elected to have my
> Bendix mag completely rebuilt and I also added "Shower of Sparks" to the
> system.
> For a mire $2500.00 or so.
>
> I must report that they "the mags" and "SOS" have worked flawlessly,
> For the 1,000 or so hours in prior planes that I have flown,
> And also for the 90 plus hours on my RV-10.
>
> Based in this "cool place" called "Las Vegas" (102 Tuesday)
>
> And...
>
> I never have (or had to) "exert any effort" to "Cool my mag down"
>
> Even after the "hottest flight".
>
> Imagine that...
>
> N10KQ
> Las Vegas Nevada
> KVGT...
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:54 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
>
>
> 56% of all statistics are either wrong or made up... including this one.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> Sent from the new iPad
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 8:22 AM, "hotwheels" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Where did these statistics come from? Please cite your reference...
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> "According to the statistics Electronic ignitions fail 16% of the
>> time, (Twice as much as magnetos) Magnetos fail 8% of the time?"
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400846#400846
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint |
I used Stewart Systems primer and single part topcoat on the interior and had no
problems. Very happy with the results and ease of use/cleanup.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. Finishing kit and
FWF kit in progress.
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint |
If you decide to put in Flightline's interior (I assume you aren't),
they provide some detailed information on what needs to be painted and
what will be hidden under the interior panels.
On 5/17/2013 4:51 PM, bob88 wrote:
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> I would like advice about painting the interior of RV10 cabin. Is a primer needed
over Van's QB wash primer? Specific type of paint for finish coat? At what
point in the build process is best for painting interior?
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| Subject: | Re: Locking fuel caps?? |
On 5/17/2013 1:50 PM:
> There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps.
I've always wondered what is the point of locking gas caps without
also having locking fuel drains...
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Locking fuel caps?? |
It's not what they can take out that worries me, but what others might put in.
On 19/05/2013, at 9:25 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:
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> On 5/17/2013 1:50 PM:
>> There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps.
>
> I've always wondered what is the point of locking gas caps without also having
locking fuel drains...
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Locking fuel caps?? |
Agreed. I flew an Arrow out to central Texas for a July 4th fireworks show. On
the edges if the ramp were several hundred people and a half dozen kids managed
to find their way out to the aircraft that we tied down.
I did my best to keep on eye on them and one eye on the show. They weren't causing
any problems, but all I could think of when I performed the preflight the
next morning were little green army men or action figures that made it into the
low wings tanks.
Fortunately the standard RV-10 caps aren't quite as intuitive as the Arrows twist-n-takeoff
caps.
But I'm more concerned about debris than theft. I can always buy more. I wouldn't
be happy about it, but it isn't going to cost me an airplane or a member
of a family.
Phil
Just about to get started building again. The little girl is 11 months and I'm
starting to get a little more time. :)
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
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> It's not what they can take out that worries me, but what others might put in.
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> On 19/05/2013, at 9:25 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:
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>> On 5/17/2013 1:50 PM:
>>> There have been many past reviews of locking gas caps.
>>
>> I've always wondered what is the point of locking gas caps without also having
locking fuel drains...
>>
>> -Dj
>>
>> --
>> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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