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1. 09:51 AM - 500 (Roberto Brito)
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Hello Rob,
These numbers show Brazil's importance to the world market. We consume more
RV 10 than the rest of the world!!
Currently Brazil has nearly 300 RV-10 flying and some others, about 40, will
be flying in 6 months, I guess.
People are building their own airplane everywhere.
Our history in the aviation is beautiful, but very painful in some ways. We
have a large aviation industry, Embraer, but
our country does not manufacture aeronautical engines. We can not count on
Brazilian Industry to build our own aircraft. Most of the parts are bought
in the USA
I suppose you can guess how hard it is.
Luckily, our economy has improved and we can travel abroad and bring parts
and kits to assemble our planes.
As for the RV 10, I have a 33-hour plane, which is strong and powerful. It's
a big hit in our country and I can honestly say I love it.
Regards,
Roberto Brito
Subject: 500
From: Rob Kochman (rv10rob@gmail.com)
Date: Wed May 15 - 8:00 AM
For those who missed it:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/rv-10-500/602548626422180
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg Greg...
Oh Boy...
Yea,
The mags are old school...
But
You mentioned...
Oiled up Plugs, Fouled plugs,
Sounds like you may have other problems
Mixture, Shut down Procedure, Start up procedure, Rings?
Blown a starter?
Maybe oil leaking from your engine into the throat of the starter,
Or maybe you went "Light" on the starter feed cable
using #4 or #6 from your battery instead of #2
to save weight (1 to 2 pounds) to get better gas mileage...
Mag overhaul or checkout at 500 hours
That's 5 maybe 7 to 10 years for most aviators.
Most of your hoses on your plane should be replaced every 5 years or so...
Oh yea that's in certified planes...
Sounds reasonable to me to have your Mags looked at every 5 years...
Hot start Issues...
Is the mag in control of a "Hot Start?"
Or is the Pilot responsible?
That's like blaming the Gun for the Murder...
I have "Electronic RPM readout" and "Electronic Manifold Pressure" using
Magnetos.
I have 1-2 turn starts with my Mags and Shower of Sparks System.
I also have EGT and Cylinder temps on all cylinders,
Oil pressure, Oil temperature, Fuel Pressure using my mags.
It's called an "EFIS"
Maybe you should look at your starting procedure...
Hot Starts on my IO540 are usually 2 to 3 revolutions,
but I blame that on the Fuel Injection not the Mag.
I have friends with Carbureted engines,
and Mags that start in 1-2 turns hot or cold.
Why not change out the "Old School Lycoming Engine",
It's only good for 2,000 hours anyway...
It's been around for 60 or so years also...
Why pay $40 to $60k for old school technology?
Again engines are good for 20 to 25 years for most aviators
You can go buy a Subaru or a "Brand New Factory Porsche engine" for about
$15k
(you can really save some gas cash using that thought)
Then modify it to work in your RV...
"Mooney Porsche" did that back in 1989 or so.
They were trying to improve on the old school technology also..
That model lasted a year or so...
Do you not think that the Millions and Millions of dollars Lycoming,
and Continental spends on R&D engineering and testing could have figured
this out over the past 30 years or so EI has been around.
Maybe they figured out it wasn't "Worth the Risk"
Or did you think maybe,
"They had a hell of an overstock" of these "Old School Magnetos" that they
needed to get rid of,
So..
They sold their antiquated engines and ignition systems to
"Not so up to speed companies like Cessna and Piper...
and they still haven't dumped all the magnetos...
Fuel economy...
Think about that one night when your EI turns your RV into a glider.
"Boy I saved $500 in fuel last year..."
"What a deal"
Meanwhile you are looking for an off airport landing site...
By the way...
What was that insurance deductable???
If you want Real Fuel Economy...
FLY COMMERCIAL...
No Offence...
Just some spare time...
And a big spoon to stir the pot...
Jim
N10KQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg McFarlane
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
--> <grbcmcfarlane@gmail.com>
O Boy Jim talk about a can of worms. Interesting grab of the last 2 weeks of
Matronics re electronic ignition, you sound just like my Mag AP. All the
Spam Cans who haven't got the option of bringing ignition forward at least
80 years take it for granted, mag failure on ramp RPM drop 400 or 800 due to
oiled up plugs or bad points, failure in flight, no worries, just hope we
can make it home one one. We expect overhaul at 500 hours..... no worries at
least we don't have to have a back up battery, What's the best starting
technique? o hell we've just blown a starter cause we've had hot start
issues. I think Tim's option of two bob each way (sorry a quarter each way)
one EI & One Mag is best option, You get 90% of the advantage of Dual
Electronic Ignition ie Optimum Timing, Easy Starting, Better fuel economy,
Smooth running, Better Idle. Electronic readouts for RPM, MP & Timing
Position of Ignition with Lightspeed. Wack in a Mag as an easy backup but be
careful about relying on !
it after more than 200Hrs. Maybe the stats would be different if Klaus
recommended overhauls at 500 Hours or even less because of the advantages
of EI cause nothing lasts forever. Cheers from Western Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400905#400905
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
There's probably quite a few of the guys that would tell you were to put th
e spoon.
You had already made YOUR point.
BYW over 500 hours, no problems with dual EI in under 4 years.
--- On Sun, 5/19/13, JimVillani <Jim@JimVillani.com> wrote:
From: JimVillani <Jim@JimVillani.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg Greg...
Oh Boy...
Yea,
The mags are old school...
But
You mentioned...
Oiled up Plugs, Fouled plugs,
Sounds like you may have other problems
Mixture, Shut down Procedure, Start up procedure, Rings?
Blown a starter?
Maybe oil leaking from your engine into the throat of the starter,
Or maybe you went "Light" on the starter feed cable
using #4 or #6 from your battery instead of #2
to save weight (1 to 2 pounds) to get better gas mileage...
Mag overhaul or checkout at 500 hours
That's 5 maybe 7 to 10 years for most aviators.
Most of your hoses on your plane should be replaced every 5 years or so...
Oh yea that's in certified planes...
Sounds reasonable to me to have your Mags looked at every 5 years...
Hot start Issues...
Is the mag in control of a "Hot Start?"
Or is the Pilot responsible?
That's like blaming the Gun for the Murder...
I have "Electronic RPM readout" and "Electronic Manifold Pressure" using
Magnetos.
I have 1-2 turn starts with my Mags and Shower of Sparks System.
I also have EGT and Cylinder temps on all cylinders,
Oil pressure, Oil temperature, Fuel Pressure using my mags.
It's called an "EFIS"-
Maybe you should look at your starting procedure...
Hot Starts on my IO540 are usually 2 to 3 revolutions,
but I blame that on the Fuel Injection not the Mag.
I have friends with Carbureted engines,
and Mags that start in 1-2 turns hot or cold.-
Why not change out the "Old School Lycoming Engine",
It's only good for 2,000 hours anyway...
It's been around for 60 or so years also...
Why pay $40 to $60k for old school technology?
Again engines are good for 20 to 25 years for most aviators
You can go buy a Subaru or a "Brand New Factory Porsche engine" for about
$15k
(you can really save some gas cash using that thought)
Then modify it to work in your RV...
"Mooney Porsche" did that back in 1989 or so.
They were trying to improve on the old school technology also..
That model lasted a year or so...
Do you not think that the Millions and Millions of dollars Lycoming,
and Continental spends on R&D engineering and testing could have figured
this out over the past 30 years or so EI has been around.
Maybe they figured out it wasn't "Worth the Risk"
Or did you think maybe,
"They had a hell of an overstock" of these "Old School Magnetos" that they
needed to get rid of,
So..
They sold their antiquated engines and ignition systems to
"Not so up to speed companies like Cessna and Piper...
and they still haven't dumped all the magnetos...
Fuel economy...
Think about that one night when your EI turns your RV into a glider.
"Boy I saved $500 in fuel last year..."
"What a deal"
Meanwhile you are looking for an off airport landing site...
By the way...
What was that insurance deductable???
If you want Real Fuel Economy...
FLY COMMERCIAL...
No Offence...
Just some spare time...
And a big spoon to stir the pot...
Jim
N10KQ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg McFarlane
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Electronic Ignition
--> <grbcmcfarlane@gmail.com>
O Boy Jim talk about a can of worms. Interesting grab of the last 2 weeks o
f
Matronics re electronic ignition, you sound just like my Mag AP. All the
Spam Cans who haven't got the option of bringing ignition forward at least
80 years take it for granted, mag failure on ramp RPM drop 400 or 800 due t
o
oiled up plugs or bad points, failure in flight, no worries, just hope we
can make it home one one. We expect overhaul at 500 hours..... no worries a
t
least we don't have to have a back up battery, What's the best starting
technique? o hell we've just blown a starter cause we've had hot start
issues. I think Tim's option of two bob each way (sorry a quarter each way)
one EI & One Mag is best option, You get 90% of the advantage of Dual
Electronic Ignition ie Optimum Timing, Easy Starting, Better fuel economy,
Smooth running, Better Idle. Electronic readouts for RPM, MP & Timing
Position of Ignition with Lightspeed. Wack in a Mag as an easy backup but b
e
careful about relying on !
it after more than 200Hrs. Maybe the stats would be different if Klaus
recommended- overhauls at 500 Hours or even less because of the advantage
s
of EI cause nothing lasts forever. Cheers from Western Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400905#400905
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