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1. 01:31 AM - Re: Static system (mdaniell)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Static system (Kelly McMullen)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Static system (bill.peyton)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Static system (Carl Froehlich)
5. 08:06 AM - ADS-B (Alan Mekler MD)
6. 08:08 AM - ADS-B (Alan Mekler MD)
7. 02:05 PM - Spinner Size (Kelly McMullen)
8. 02:20 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Marcus Cooper)
9. 02:45 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Robin Marks)
10. 05:04 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Carl Froehlich)
11. 07:39 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Robin Marks)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Static system |
Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is offered
by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to have the same
profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to stimulate discussion
on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to search for other posts on
the subject.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372
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| Subject: | Re: Static system |
Well, given that airframe, engine and avionics/panel average out to near
equal thirds, depending on how much priority you put in each, most figure
on spending around $150K or more on a -10, and you are going to rely on a
couple pop rivets for everything that depends on static system? Really goes
to Van's viewpoint that all their products are for day VFR leisure trips,
only.
That may start some discussion. ;-)
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, mdaniell <martin.daniell@bigpond.com>wrote:
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> Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is
> offered by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to
> have the same profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to
> stimulate discussion on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to
> search for other posts on the subject.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372
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| Subject: | Re: Static system |
Couldn't agree more Kelly. I used the ones sold by Avery tool, I believe they
are actually safe-air1. My air speeds are within a knot of being spot on.
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Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Static system |
But - a simple design that works is hard to beat. I solved a static error
on my first plane created by "very nicely machined commercial static ports"
and used the same approach on the RV-10. No static error. Below is what I
posted on this awhile back.
Carl
I used a couple of 3/16" AN470 rivets with a 1/16" hole drilled through the
head and the rivet shank. I made a 1" diameter x 1/4" thick aluminum ring
(disc with a 3/16" hole drill in the center) as a backing plate to the
rivet. The round rivet head sits on the outside of the skin (3/16" hole in
the skin). The 1" diameter, 1/4" thick backing plate (with a 3/16" hole in
the middle) is epoxied over the rivet shank to the inside of the skin. The
protruding rivet head moves the static port just a little out of the skin
flow layer - this is what helps mitigate against static port error. The
backing plate just adds some rigidity to the install and more glue area for
the rivet. This provides a sturdy connection to RTV on the 1/4" static
tubing. The 3/16" rivet shack is a perfect fit for 1/4" tubing to slide
over. No fittings required or desired.
Get a dozen or so of the rivets as it takes a couple of tries to get the
hole drill right in the center of the shank. You want a rivet shank an inch
or so long.
I did final paint over the rivet heads with a toothpick in the 1/16" holes
to keep them open.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static system
Well, given that airframe, engine and avionics/panel average out to near
equal thirds, depending on how much priority you put in each, most figure on
spending around $150K or more on a -10, and you are going to rely on a
couple pop rivets for everything that depends on static system? Really goes
to Van's viewpoint that all their products are for day VFR leisure trips,
only.
That may start some discussion. ;-)
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, mdaniell <martin.daniell@bigpond.com>
wrote:
Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is
offered by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to
have the same profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to
stimulate discussion on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to
search for other posts on the subject.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372
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Looking at installing ADS-B. What are most people going with? one inexpensive
option is upgrading my garmin gtx330 transponder to ES
and receiving traffic on fore flight through stratus2(which i already had because
i wanted to get rid of xm weather fees) Has anyone done the 330 upgrade?
My concern with the 330 upgrade to 1090ES is unless i'm near a ground station
I won't get air to air from UAT ADS-B planes.
Why the FAA had to go with 2 bands sure makes this more complicated than it should.
Alan
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I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other
than stock 13" with the stock cowling?
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Size |
Stock works great on mine.
Marcus
do not archive
On May 26, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything
other than stock 13" with the stock cowling?
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Size |
Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is
well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl a
nd have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an inducti
on system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is
superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is
pricy.
In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP c
owl. Very well designed, and produced.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other t
han stock 13" with the stock cowling?
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Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a much
reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl:
Chris Tieman
Mustang Aeronautics, Inc.
1470 Temple City
Troy, MI 48084
(248) 649-6818
www.MustangAero.com
Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com]
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size
Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is
well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl
and have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an
induction system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP
cowl is superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner
which is pricy.
In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP
cowl. Very well designed, and produced.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other
than stock 13" with the stock cowling?
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I have one of those 14" plus another sitting on the shelf if interested.
Robin
Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a much
reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl:
Chris Tieman
Mustang Aeronautics, Inc.
1470 Temple City
Troy, MI 48084
(248) 649-6818
www.MustangAero.com<http://www.MustangAero.com>
Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com]
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size
Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is
well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl a
nd have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an inducti
on system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is
superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is
pricy.
In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP c
owl. Very well designed, and produced.
Robin
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com<mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other t
han stock 13" with the stock cowling?
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Size |
Since I have been stuck at the 90/90 level for awhile, I am NOT looking
to do any more mods/expense, even though the Showplanes cowling looks
very nice.
So 13" it will be on stock cowl.
On 5/26/2013 7:38 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I have one of those 14" plus another sitting on the shelf if interested.
>
> Robin
>
> Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a
> much reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl:
>
> Chris Tieman
>
> Mustang Aeronautics, Inc.
>
> 1470 Temple City
>
> Troy, MI 48084
>
> (248) 649-6818
>
> www.MustangAero.com <http://www.MustangAero.com>
>
> Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com]
>
> Carl
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size
>
> Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is well
documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl and have
been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an induction system
that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is superior to
any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is pricy.
> In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP cowl.
Very well designed, and produced.
>
> Robin
>
> Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything
> other than stock 13" with the stock cowling?
>
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