---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/26/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 AM - Re: Static system (mdaniell) 2. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Static system (Kelly McMullen) 3. 06:34 AM - Re: Static system (bill.peyton) 4. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Static system (Carl Froehlich) 5. 08:06 AM - ADS-B (Alan Mekler MD) 6. 08:08 AM - ADS-B (Alan Mekler MD) 7. 02:05 PM - Spinner Size (Kelly McMullen) 8. 02:20 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Marcus Cooper) 9. 02:45 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Robin Marks) 10. 05:04 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Carl Froehlich) 11. 07:39 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Robin Marks) 12. 07:44 PM - Re: Spinner Size (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:53 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Static system From: "mdaniell" Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is offered by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to have the same profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to stimulate discussion on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to search for other posts on the subject. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static system From: Kelly McMullen Well, given that airframe, engine and avionics/panel average out to near equal thirds, depending on how much priority you put in each, most figure on spending around $150K or more on a -10, and you are going to rely on a couple pop rivets for everything that depends on static system? Really goes to Van's viewpoint that all their products are for day VFR leisure trips, only. That may start some discussion. ;-) On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, mdaniell wrote: > > Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is > offered by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to > have the same profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to > stimulate discussion on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to > search for other posts on the subject. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Static system From: "bill.peyton" Couldn't agree more Kelly. I used the ones sold by Avery tool, I believe they are actually safe-air1. My air speeds are within a knot of being spot on. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401378#401378 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/static_ports_01_902.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:18 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static system But - a simple design that works is hard to beat. I solved a static error on my first plane created by "very nicely machined commercial static ports" and used the same approach on the RV-10. No static error. Below is what I posted on this awhile back. Carl I used a couple of 3/16" AN470 rivets with a 1/16" hole drilled through the head and the rivet shank. I made a 1" diameter x 1/4" thick aluminum ring (disc with a 3/16" hole drill in the center) as a backing plate to the rivet. The round rivet head sits on the outside of the skin (3/16" hole in the skin). The 1" diameter, 1/4" thick backing plate (with a 3/16" hole in the middle) is epoxied over the rivet shank to the inside of the skin. The protruding rivet head moves the static port just a little out of the skin flow layer - this is what helps mitigate against static port error. The backing plate just adds some rigidity to the install and more glue area for the rivet. This provides a sturdy connection to RTV on the 1/4" static tubing. The 3/16" rivet shack is a perfect fit for 1/4" tubing to slide over. No fittings required or desired. Get a dozen or so of the rivets as it takes a couple of tries to get the hole drill right in the center of the shank. You want a rivet shank an inch or so long. I did final paint over the rivet heads with a toothpick in the 1/16" holes to keep them open. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static system Well, given that airframe, engine and avionics/panel average out to near equal thirds, depending on how much priority you put in each, most figure on spending around $150K or more on a -10, and you are going to rely on a couple pop rivets for everything that depends on static system? Really goes to Van's viewpoint that all their products are for day VFR leisure trips, only. That may start some discussion. ;-) On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, mdaniell wrote: Many people seem to be happy with the Vans solution. Another option is offered by Cleaveland Tool(and others). The Cleaveland solution appears to have the same profile as the Vans rivet. Static port design seems to stimulate discussion on the scale of the Primer Wars, you might like to search for other posts on the subject. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401372#401372 ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:14 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B Looking at installing ADS-B. What are most people going with? one inexpensive option is upgrading my garmin gtx330 transponder to ES and receiving traffic on fore flight through stratus2(which i already had because i wanted to get rid of xm weather fees) Has anyone done the 330 upgrade? My concern with the 330 upgrade to 1090ES is unless i'm near a ground station I won't get air to air from UAT ADS-B planes. Why the FAA had to go with 2 bands sure makes this more complicated than it should. Alan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:48 AM PST US From: Alan Mekler MD Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Spinner Size From: Kelly McMullen I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other than stock 13" with the stock cowling? -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:46 PM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size Stock works great on mine. Marcus do not archive On May 26, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other than stock 13" with the stock cowling? -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:48 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl a nd have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an inducti on system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is pricy. In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP c owl. Very well designed, and produced. Robin Kelly McMullen wrote: I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other t han stock 13" with the stock cowling? -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:21 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Spinner Size Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a much reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl: Chris Tieman Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. 1470 Temple City Troy, MI 48084 (248) 649-6818 www.MustangAero.com Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com] Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl and have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an induction system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is pricy. In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP cowl. Very well designed, and produced. Robin Kelly McMullen wrote: I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other than stock 13" with the stock cowling? -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:58 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Spinner Size I have one of those 14" plus another sitting on the shelf if interested. Robin Carl Froehlich wrote: Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a much reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl: Chris Tieman Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. 1470 Temple City Troy, MI 48084 (248) 649-6818 www.MustangAero.com Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com] Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl a nd have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an inducti on system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is pricy. In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP c owl. Very well designed, and produced. Robin Kelly McMullen > wrote: I'm about to order my prop. Is there any reason to go with anything other t han stock 13" with the stock cowling? -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com r> &nbs====================http://www. matronic================ http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c= ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:44 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size Since I have been stuck at the 90/90 level for awhile, I am NOT looking to do any more mods/expense, even though the Showplanes cowling looks very nice. So 13" it will be on stock cowl. On 5/26/2013 7:38 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I have one of those 14" plus another sitting on the shelf if interested. > > Robin > > Carl Froehlich wrote: > > Here is a source for the polished aluminum 14" Hartzell spinner, at a > much reduced price, if you decide to do the James Cowl: > > Chris Tieman > > Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. > > 1470 Temple City > > Troy, MI 48084 > > (248) 649-6818 > > www.MustangAero.com > > Chris Tieman [Chris@MustangAero.com] > > Carl > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks > *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:45 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Spinner Size > > Ha! Probably the best choice is stock. I had a James Cowl disaster that is well documented. I switched over to the first production Showplanes cowl and have been very pleased. Perfect temps all the way around plus an induction system that is well designed and executed. The finish on the SP cowl is superior to any Vans fiberglass. But you will need a 15" spinner which is pricy. > In general plans built is best but I have yet to see a downside to the SP cowl. Very well designed, and produced. > > Robin > > Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > > I'm about to order my prop. 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