---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/02/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 AM - iPad I For Sale (Russell Daves) 2. 06:32 AM - Re: iPad I For Sale (JimVillani) 3. 06:32 AM - Things needed for the build (RichGurr) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: iPad I For Sale (JimVillani) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Things needed for the build (Kelly McMullen) 6. 07:18 AM - Re: Things needed for the build (tsts4) 7. 07:34 AM - Re: Things needed for the build (Rob Kermanj) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Things needed for the build (Kelly McMullen) 9. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Things needed for the build (Roger Standley) 10. 09:03 AM - Fw: Re: Things needed for the build (Dave Fritzsche (Building)) 11. 12:55 PM - 33 hours with a 1-year-old (Rob Kochman) 12. 02:29 PM - Re: 33 hours with a 1-year-old (Robin Marks) 13. 02:54 PM - Re: 2013 RV-10 Airventure Group Camping (eison) 14. 03:16 PM - Re: NAS517-5-9 Countersink Still Making The Rounds? () 15. 04:09 PM - Re: 33 hours with a 1-year-old (Tim Olson) 16. 08:56 PM - G3x Autopilot & Accessories (Robin Marks) 17. 09:36 PM - Re: G3x Autopilot & Accessories (PlaneAround,LLC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:12 AM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: RV10-List: iPad I For Sale _____ iPad 1 64GB with GPS & wiFi in near perfect condition and leather case for sale: $250.00 including Express Mail Shipping to US. FltPlan.Com with maps and approach plates installed. I plan on upgrading to an iPad mini when sold. __________________ Russ Daves Lubbock, TX N710RV - RV-10 Flying N65RV - RV-6A Sold N686RV - RV-6A FWF Rebuild & N number change N742PZ - RV-8 Co-Builder Sold N-867RV -RV-7 Finish Kit ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:01 AM PST US From: "JimVillani" Subject: RE: RV10-List: iPad I For Sale SOLD. Call or Email me ASAP. Jim Villani Cell: (702) 379 5524 Fax: (702) 946-1185 Email: Jim@Sold702.com N10KQ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: iPad I For Sale _____ iPad 1 64GB with GPS & wiFi in near perfect condition and leather case for sale: $250.00 including Express Mail Shipping to US. FltPlan.Com with maps and approach plates installed. I plan on upgrading to an iPad mini when sold. __________________ Russ Daves Lubbock, TX N710RV - RV-10 Flying N65RV - RV-6A Sold N686RV - RV-6A FWF Rebuild & N number change N742PZ - RV-8 Co-Builder Sold N-867RV -RV-7 Finish Kit ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Things needed for the build From: "RichGurr" I have my RV 10 fast build kit set for delivery in August. My wife and I will be flying to Osh and camping in the North 40 for a week to take a few courses and shop for needed items. I want to make a list of tools and things that I should get while there. I will have the complete kit minus the finish kit. I have a shop with all the basic mechanic tools, for working on cars and things. Any recommendations . Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403791#403791 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:25 AM PST US From: "JimVillani" Subject: RE: RV10-List: iPad I For Sale Russ, I mis read that, Was that an I-Pad 1 or 1 I-Pad? If it was a 1 Sorry I cannot use it. Jim Villani Cell: (702) 379 5524 Fax: (702) 946-1185 Email: Jim@Sold702.com From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: iPad I For Sale _____ iPad 1 64GB with GPS & wiFi in near perfect condition and leather case for sale: $250.00 including Express Mail Shipping to US. FltPlan.Com with maps and approach plates installed. I plan on upgrading to an iPad mini when sold. __________________ Russ Daves Lubbock, TX N710RV - RV-10 Flying N65RV - RV-6A Sold N686RV - RV-6A FWF Rebuild & N number change N742PZ - RV-8 Co-Builder Sold N-867RV -RV-7 Finish Kit ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Things needed for the build From: Kelly McMullen All the good tool shops offer "RV Tool Kits". They publish a list of tools. I sort of remember Vans having a list of tools needed. Most of them will work with you for adding or deleting as you need. Their kits are substantial discount over buying separately. Avery Tools http://www.averytools.com/ Cleaveland Tools http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/ Isham Tools http://www.planetools.com/ I'm probably forgetting others with kits. Other sources, Brown Tools, The Yard, Aircraft Tool Supply, US Aircraft Tools. You will need more clecos (3/32 and 1/8") than anyone offers in the kits, especially up to point where tail and fuselage are joined. You would find a complete 0-60 numbered drill set from Harbor Freight useful for the occasional times you need a size that is not in any of the kits. After that you won't need that many. I'm sure that some builders would be happy to unload some clecos. Some of us have a hard time getting rid of any tools, long after they are no longer needed. All of the kits will have a generic 3/8" air drill, preferably with a keyless chuck. For the majority of drilling you don't need the size or weight of a 3/8" drill, and most of the generics don't have a light pull, easy to control trigger. I didn't upgrade until after developing trigger finger syndrome on my middle finger. http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=7300R is a relatively low cost, light wt Chicago Pneumatics drill. Excellent trigger. While I prefer a keyless chuck, it would add weight and cost, and the vast majority of your drilling will be either 3/32 or 1/8" (#30(). Oh, also consider getting a few chucking reamers. Specifically #41 and #30. #41 is closer to 3/32 than #40, and dimpling enlarges the hole anyway, so you get better rivet fit, and you can just ream all the prepunched holes without even using drill bit. A reamed hole needs less deburring, is rounder, etc. http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=15365 I'm sure others will offer more suggestions. If you haven't found some of the excellent builder websites, start with Tim Olson's http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html He has links to others. Kelly 40866 90% done, 90% to finish On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:31 AM, RichGurr wrote: > > I have my RV 10 fast build kit set for delivery in August. My wife and I > will > be flying to Osh and camping in the North 40 for a week to take a few > courses and shop for needed items. I want to make a list of tools and > things that I should get while there. I will have the complete kit minus > the finish kit. > I have a shop with all the basic mechanic tools, for working on cars and > things. Any recommendations . Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403791#403791 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:29 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Things needed for the build From: "tsts4" Take a look at the Avery or Cleaveland RV toolkits on their websites and subtract out the things you already have. Extras I purchased over time: tungsten bucking bar (best tool purchase I made) pneumatic squeezer additional 300 or so 3/32 (silver) clecos extra #30 & #40 bits long #10 & #12 bits long backrivet set .2495 & .311 reamers odd ball bits (#27, #28, #31) tube flaring tool tube bending tool tank 3/32 dimple dies safety wire pliers I already had a Dremel, but I highly recommend one. For a hand squeezer, I also recommend Cleaveland's "Main Squeeze" with at least a 3" yoke and a longeron yoke. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403798#403798 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Things needed for the build From: Rob Kermanj Would not build a van plane without pneumatic squeezer. I say it is impossible to build without it. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "RichGurr" wrote: > > I have my RV 10 fast build kit set for delivery in August. My wife and I will > be flying to Osh and camping in the North 40 for a week to take a few > courses and shop for needed items. I want to make a list of tools and things that I should get while there. I will have the complete kit minus the finish kit. > I have a shop with all the basic mechanic tools, for working on cars and things. Any recommendations . Thanks > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403791#403791 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Things needed for the build From: Kelly McMullen Yes, definitely a tungsten bucking bar. I use mine at least 90% of the time and all the rest occasionally. Pneumatic and hand squeezer. DRDT=2 Dimpler is very useful and much faster than a hammer style C-Frame. He won't need tank dimple dies if getting quick build wings. Long and offset backrivet set are handy, wouldn't consider essential. I also use http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=635 round bucking bar for back riveting where it isn't easy to use back rivet plate. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:18 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > Take a look at the Avery or Cleaveland RV toolkits on their websites and > subtract out the things you already have. > > Extras I purchased over time: > tungsten bucking bar (best tool purchase I made) > pneumatic squeezer > additional 300 or so 3/32 (silver) clecos > extra #30 & #40 bits > long #10 & #12 bits > long backrivet set > .2495 & .311 reamers > odd ball bits (#27, #28, #31) > tube flaring tool > tube bending tool > tank 3/32 dimple dies > safety wire pliers > > I already had a Dremel, but I highly recommend one. For a hand squeezer, > I also recommend Cleaveland's "Main Squeeze" with at least a 3" yoke and a > longeron yoke. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace > RV-10 N728TT > Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403798#403798 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:11 AM PST US From: Roger Standley Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Things needed for the build I have a DRDT=2 Dimpler for sale if anyone is interested. Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Things needed for the build From: apilot2@gmail.com Yes=2C definitely a tungsten bucking bar. I use mine at least 90% of the ti me and all the rest occasionally. Pneumatic and hand squeezer. DRDT=2 Dimpler is very useful and much faster than a hammer style C-Frame .. He won't need tank dimple dies if getting quick build wings. Long and offset backrivet set are handy=2C wouldn't consider essential. I also use http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=635 round buckin g bar for back riveting where it isn't easy to use back rivet plate. On Tue=2C Jul 2=2C 2013 at 7:18 AM=2C tsts4 wrote: Take a look at the Avery or Cleaveland RV toolkits on their websites and su btract out the things you already have. Extras I purchased over time: tungsten bucking bar (best tool purchase I made) pneumatic squeezer additional 300 or so 3/32 (silver) clecos extra #30 & #40 bits long #10 & #12 bits long backrivet set .2495 & .311 reamers odd ball bits (#27=2C #28=2C #31) tube flaring tool tube bending tool tank 3/32 dimple dies safety wire pliers I already had a Dremel=2C but I highly recommend one. For a hand squeezer =2C I also recommend Cleaveland's "Main Squeeze" with at least a 3" yoke an d a longeron yoke. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA=2C AOPA=2C Purple Pilots=2C VAF=2C and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone=2C Wings=2C Fuse=2C Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403798#403798 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:42 AM PST US From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" Subject: Fwd: RV10-List: Re: Things needed for the build I would add my vote for the Cleveland angle drill kit and second the recommendation for the Cleveland hand squeezer. While I have been happy with my tools from Avery (I also have some from Cleveland), I wish I had purchased both of these items from Cleveland. The squeezer is easier to use and the angle drill kit head is much smaller and will fit in tighter places. Dave Fritzsche RV-10 N965DF Fuselage, Finishing Take a look at the Avery or Cleaveland RV toolkits on their websites and subtract out the things you already have. Extras I purchased over time: tungsten bucking bar (best tool purchase I made) pneumatic squeezer additional 300 or so 3/32 (silver) clecos extra #30 & #40 bits long #10 & #12 bits long backrivet set .2495 & .311 reamers odd ball bits (#27, #28, #31) tube flaring tool tube bending tool tank 3/32 dimple dies safety wire pliers I already had a Dremel, but I highly recommend one. For a hand squeezer, I also recommend Cleaveland's "Main Squeeze" with at least a 3" yoke and a longeron yoke. -------- Todd Stovall aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace RV-10 N728TT Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403798#403798 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 33 hours with a 1-year-old From: Rob Kochman (I also posted this on VAF) A few weeks ago we completed a 2-week trip in our RV-10, covering 5000+ miles in 33 hours with our 1-year-old boy. I thought we were a little crazy to try it, but it worked out really well. I did a write-up on our site: http://kochman.net/N819K/?p=1437 As always, I have to thank my wife for suggesting the RV-10 instead of the -7. What an amazing family cross-country machine. -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:08 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: 33 hours with a 1-year-old Rob, Nice write up and great photos. What camera were you using? Some of the pho tos have excellent color & tone. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: 33 hours with a 1-year-old (I also posted this on VAF) A few weeks ago we completed a 2-week trip in our RV-10, covering 5000+ mil es in 33 hours with our 1-year-old boy. I thought we were a little crazy to try it, but it worked out really well. I did a write-up on our site: http://kochman.net/N819K/?p=1437 As always, I have to thank my wife for suggesting the RV-10 instead of the -7. What an amazing family cross-country machine. -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:42 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2013 RV-10 Airventure Group Camping From: "eison" I am in the final planning stages for Osh. I am camping with the group and having an RV dropped off on Friday. I am planning on flying in Saturday late morning. I have one open item, I have rented from United Rentals/RSC in Oshkosh a generator in order to have a nice cool place to hang out in the middle of the day. However, the RV place isn't allowed to pick up generators, and united Rentals wants more to pick up and drop off than the cost of the rental. Additionally, they aren't open on the weekends..... Is anyone driving in on Friday the 26th that wouldn't mind grabbing a generator for me? Failing that, Monday? If all else fails, we can go powerless or pay the extra fee. Keeping the wife and kid happy is important right???? You can email me at Eison1969 at yahoo dot com Thanks Eric Ison -------- Eric Ison RV 10 #40764 N984ED (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403828#403828 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:22 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: NAS517-5-9 Countersink Still Making The Rounds? Hey Sean, The traveling countersink is back home with me. I was waiting to see if anyone else was ready for it, and forgot to check with you ... if you still need it, get me your address and I'll get it out to you. Later, - Lew -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: NAS517-5-9 Countersink Still Making The Rounds? Is the cabin top seat belt NAS517-5-9 countersink still making the rounds? If so, can I be put on the list? -Sean #40303 (sand, fill, rinse, repeat...) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:38 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: 33 hours with a 1-year-old Rob, Great write-up. It really is fun traveling with kids. Some things get easier, and some get harder, as they grow, but it's always fun to have them along. I agree fully about the full-service FBO's....whenever I'm going to get stuck or want to have a super simple stay over, I go for a nice FBO. Then you let them do the work of arranging the car, hotel, pointing you to food, and it makes it so easy. Yeah, you throw away $20, or $50, or even sometimes more, but the service they provide is really nice. I keep track of those nice stops in the bigger cities, and it's comforting to know you can almost always count on them being open. Have fun with your travels! Tim do not archive On 7/2/2013 2:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > (I also posted this on VAF) > > A few weeks ago we completed a 2-week trip in our RV-10, covering 5000+ > miles in 33 hours with our 1-year-old boy. I thought we were a little > crazy to try it, but it worked out really well. I did a write-up on our > site: > http://kochman.net/N819K/?p=1437 > > As always, I have to thank my wife for suggesting the RV-10 instead of > the -7. What an amazing family cross-country machine. > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > * > > > * > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:10 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RV10-List: G3x Autopilot & Accessories Not sure everyone has seen the new Garmin G3x AP & servos but it looks like they are kicking it into high gear with full G3x accessories. The AP is on ly $750! Servos are also $750 ea. Garmin is also offering a AOA Pitot & Heated AOA Pitot for $199 & $299 with a regulated AOA Pitot coming. They also have a new back up ADAHRS. Products http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/prices Here are some videos http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/media/ [https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation /sf/gmc305.jpg] [https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation /sf/gap26.jpg] [https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation /sf/gsa28.jpg] [https://static.garmincdn.com/en/m/g/custom-pages/in-the-air/sport-aviation /sf/gsu25.jpg] Robin ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: G3x Autopilot & Accessories From: "PlaneAround,LLC" I was shocked how light everything is. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 21:55, Robin Marks wrote: > Not sure everyone has seen the new Garmin G3x AP & servos but it looks lik e they are kicking it into high gear with full G3x accessories. The AP is on ly $750! Servos are also $750 ea. > Garmin is also offering a AOA Pitot & Heated AOA Pitot for $199 & $299 wit h a regulated AOA Pitot coming. They also have a new back up ADAHRS. > > Products > > http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/prices > > Here are some videos > > http://www.garmin.com/us/products/intheair/sport-aviation/media/ > > > > > > > > Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.