RV10-List Digest Archive

Sat 07/13/13


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:28 AM - Re: alodine (palark)
     2. 03:41 AM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (Rob Kermanj)
     3. 06:30 AM - Re: Fuel Filters in the wing roots or under seats? (speckter@comcast.net)
     4. 07:38 AM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (Albert Gardner)
     5. 08:58 AM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (Stein Bruch)
     6. 10:12 AM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (John Jessen)
     7. 10:12 AM - Ipad Mini PIREPs ? (Deems Davis)
     8. 11:38 AM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (Stein Bruch)
     9. 11:43 AM - Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? (Stein Bruch)
    10. 12:10 PM - Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? (Deems Davis)
    11. 12:59 PM - Re: USB Charger Adapter (Rob Kermanj)
    12. 02:36 PM - Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? ()
    13. 03:54 PM - Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? (Tim Olson)
    14. 08:31 PM - Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? (Jim Berry)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:28:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: alodine
    From: "palark" <palark@tpg.com.au>
    Patrick, I am very interested in where you source your alodine and deoxidine. I am in Loxton SA. Roger palark(at)tpg.com.au [quote="rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com"]Bill, I keep the alodine solution in a 20 litre container and top up the crystal concentration when I notice the dip time is starting to get longer to achieve the same level of coating. I always prepare the parts by scrubbing them with a maroon 3M Scotchbrite pad in a solution of 'Deoxidine' (a Henkel product), just scrub enough to get the shine off the aluminium, then fresh water rinse and air dry before dipping in the alodine solution. I use a storage water heater overflow tray, which is about 1.5" deep & about 4' in diameter to dip the large parts. The advantage of this tray is that it has a plastic ball valve plumbed into the tray and allows me to easily decant the solution back into the storage container for reuse. I use black plastic irrigation fittings and pipe which attach to the ball valve. Can send you pictures. For longer, slender parts, I've made up a long bath using 6" diameter PVC sewer pipe with caps each end and another plastic ball valve fitted as described above. I've cut the top 2" off the entire length of the pipe to allow you to sit the pipe horizontally on an old pallet. Great for long parts and gives a solution depth of about 4". Please ensure that you read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the alodine more so, as its toxic stuff. I've seen guys also use wheelie bins as dip baths and lowering parts in with tie wire and suspending them from some dowel placed across the bin opening. Doing this means you'll need a lot of solution and the bin is very heavy to move. I get away with 20 litres, which is stored when not required. Yell out if you need any more info. Google the Henkel site for technical advice. Warm regards from Oz. Patrick Adelaide, South Australia On 08/02/2013, at 3:15 AM, "Billy Britton" wrote: > A while back I recall a thread about alodine and where to get it. This particular post I remember was about a powder form. I've searched aircraft spruce and cannot find a powder form of alodine. Can anybody tell me where I might find it? Also, Ive never done the alodine before. What prep is required of the parts before using the alodine? > > Thanks > Bill > > > > > > > ================================== > > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > ================================== > > cs.com > > ================================== > > matronics.com/contribution > > ================================== > > > > > > [b] -------- Roger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404588#404588


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    Time: 03:41:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB Charger Adapter
    From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
    Albert, Here is a product on Amazon that I have installed in my plane. It has 2 USBs and it is a very clean installation. It does gradually charge the ipad in flight with the display set on bright. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0082CXEI8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote: > I installed a cigarette lighter outlet (now called courtesy outlet in my car > owners manual) but all we use it for is to plug in an adapter with USB > outlets in it. I'm thinking of replacing it with some USB ports mounted on > the panel. I haven't found a device that mounts directly to the panel like > the cig lighter outlet did but did find a 4 USB port adapter. Has anyone > else run across what I'm looking for? I'm thinking 4 ports because now I > plug in the Stratus, iPad, cell phone or music player. Here is a pic of the > 4 port I found on the internet. > > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > BTW, landed at Leadville (KLXV) 9927', DA 12,600' yesterday. It as well as > Aspen were interesting landings. Aspen especially. Lightly loaded, 1/3 fuel, > just me and about 77 temp as I recall, plane preformed well. Wonder how it > would have been a gross? > > <USB Car Charger.jpg>


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    Time: 06:30:43 AM PST US
    From: speckter@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Fuel Filters in the wing roots or under seats?
    If you put a access panel in your tunnel then it is no big deal to remove t he filter.=C2- You will find that the filter doesn't need cleaning after the first year. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:50:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filters in the wing roots or under seats? I'm starting to lay out my fuel system, and I need to decide where I'm goin g to place my fuel filter(s). So far, my fuel system consists of an EFII boost pump and a Andair valve. T he EFII pump came with two fuel filters (one to install and a spare), but I 'm thinking that it might be nice to run two fuel filters. First, it gives me redundancy, and second, it should be easier to change them out if they a ren't buried in the tunnel. The con would be that I would need to drain the tank/tanks before changing the filter as there wouldn't be a valve in between the filter and tank. But even this might be a good thing as it would probably be a good idea to rem ove the tank drains to fully check for contaminants from time to time. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? How about pictures of where people have mounted their filters? Ed ==


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    Time: 07:38:23 AM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: USB Charger Adapter
    Rob: Do you know if both outlets are 2.1 amp or just one of them like many I see. The description says "Max. Output Current: 2.1A" so I guess that means both the iPad and the Stratus can't be charging at the same time. But I like this idea and Monday I'm calling Stein concerning his offering as well. Maybe install 1 or 2 of his and keep my cigarette lighter for an adaptor if needed. Albert Gardner -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter Albert, Here is a product on Amazon that I have installed in my plane. It has 2 USBs and it is a very clean installation. It does gradually charge the ipad in flight with the display set on bright. do not archive


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    Time: 08:58:44 AM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: USB Charger Adapter
    Good point, and I agree.which is why we stock both. Seems most people still have a 12VDC receptacle in the plane even if they have the panel mount USB port. As I said, though many of those things advertise "2.1A", the real world usage of them and testing we've done shows that almost none of them actually will output that, or at least not consitently. When you have a regular iPad with the screen brightness up all the way running intensive apps, the best most of them will do is either keep it floating or perhaps a fraction of a charge. Lower the brightness or close some apps and they do much better (or get a mini). I guess I'm saying that though the specs on a number of units out there advertise certain amp ratings it's not always true. That's why we lowered the "real world" rating of the one we sell; to be realistic based on our testing. Either way I love having an iPad in the cockpit, but I've been finding I (and many customers) like the Mini or similar sized droid much better than the big tablets. Cheers, Stein From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter Nice thing about using a panel-mounted cigarette lighter and a USB adapter, rather than a panel-mounted USB adapter, is if the USB part breaks, you just pop it out and put another one in. -Rob On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote: If you say it works I would never bet against that based on your history! My history has never seen my ipad work on a outlet with a 2a fuse however. You have always been different Stein. So no! I wont bet against you and your word..ever. a losing proposal! Thanks for trying however!! ;-) Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Stein Bruch Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter Care to place a friendly bet on that?! :) Cheers, Stein Bruch President - SteinAir, Inc. 651-460-6955 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter with a 2a fuse, as seen in the picture, I guarantee it would not work on an Ipad. -----Original Message----- From: William Greenley Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter --> <wgreenley@gmail.com> His site describes this as 1.5A, which I do not think is enough to charge an iPad. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter Here are a couple of pics =================================== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== http://forums.matronics.com =================================== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K


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    Time: 10:12:27 AM PST US
    From: John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: USB Charger Adapter
    Stein, I don't want to derail the topic, but could you give a brief summary w hy the mini iPad preference over the full? Is it just the size, or is it so mething more? Thanks, John J On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:58 AM, "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> wrote: > Good point, and I agreewhich is why we stock both. Seems most pe ople still have a 12VDC receptacle in the plane even if they have the panel m ount USB port. As I said, though many of those things advertise =9C2. 1A=9D, the real world usage of them and testing we=99ve done sho ws that almost none of them actually will output that, or at least not consi tently. When you have a regular iPad with the screen brightness up all the w ay running intensive apps, the best most of them will do is either keep it f loating or perhaps a fraction of a charge. Lower the brightness or close so me apps and they do much better (or get a mini). I guess I=99m saying that though the specs on a number of units out there advertise certain amp r atings it=99s not always true. That=99s why we lowered the =9Creal world=9D rating of the one we sell; to be realistic based on o ur testing. Either way I love having an iPad in the cockpit, but I=99 ve been finding I (and many customers) like the Mini or similar sized droid m uch better than the big tablets. > > Cheers, > Stein > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:06 PM > To: rv10-list > Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > Nice thing about using a panel-mounted cigarette lighter and a USB adapter , rather than a panel-mounted USB adapter, is if the USB part breaks, you ju st pop it out and put another one in. > > -Rob > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote: > > If you say it works I would never bet against that based on your history! M y history has never seen my ipad work on a outlet with a 2a fuse however. Yo u have always been different Stein. So no! I wont bet against you and your w ord..ever. a losing proposal! > Thanks for trying however!! ;-) > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- From: Stein Bruch > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:14 PM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > > Care to place a friendly bet on that?! :) > > Cheers, > > Stein Bruch > President - SteinAir, Inc. > 651-460-6955 > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:02 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > > with a 2a fuse, as seen in the picture, I guarantee it would not work on a n > Ipad. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Greenley > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:53 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > --> <wgreenley@gmail.com> > > His site describes this as 1.5A, which I do not think is enough to charge a n > iPad. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 5:40 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > Here are a couple of pics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========================= > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========================= > > > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 10:12:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    I like the form factor of the mini as an 'in-cockpit' device, I was about to buy one, But a conversation I had with a pilot at the airport said he was extremely disappointed with it's screen readability. In his eyes the screen wasn't nearly bright enough for in-cockpit use. I haven't compared the NIT rating of each, Anybody have any real experience they'd like to share? Deems


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    Time: 11:38:53 AM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: USB Charger Adapter
    I see this similar to what Deems just asked in another thread, but I=99ll reply here. I find I like the mini as much or more than the big one because it=99s literally half the weight, but about 2/3 the screen sizeand surprisingly almost exactly the size/shape of a standard plate. Also, arguments about which one is more readable is a bit of a dubious discussion because to be blunt, all of them (apple or droids) pretty much suck in direct sunlight no matter which screen protector you use (though there are some that are FAR superior to others for reflectivity). In something like an RV10, both of them seem pretty usable to me depending on the various lighting conditions. I just find the smaller one easier to stow, to hold, to use, and all around easier to travel with regarding small planes. That said, I love the larger one for normal daily use (emails, videos, etc..). Both are good units, just seems that the smaller one is the one I gravitate to in the actual planes and I=99ve found more and more pilots going the same way. If I give them both to someone to use with the same apps on them and they spend time with both, most will come back liking the smaller one in the smaller planes that we normally fly (yes the RV10 is larger, but still a =9Csmall=9D plane). I would get the form factor you like and not worry too terribly much about nits, resolution, etc.. As I said, they ALL are poor in direct sunlight and none of them are going to look like a 696 (so if you are expecting them to look like that in the sun based on some pictures in a magazine ad you WILL be disappointed); but that=99s not what we mostly use them for anyway. Even some of the more reasonably priced droid tablets seem to work pretty well, though my experience is that he apps running on that OS aren=99t quite as polished and as stable as the same app running on iOS (at least for WingX, ForeFligth and Garmin Pilot). Tim Olson would also be a good one for advice on this, as he=99s FAR more geeky than I am when it comes to the bits/bytes of these things and has superior experience in using them for longer periods of time and on trips in the cockpit than I do. J That=99s just my 2 cents, but everyone has their own opinions based on their own experiences, needs, budget, etc.. Cheers, Stein From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter Stein, I don't want to derail the topic, but could you give a brief summary why the mini iPad preference over the full? Is it just the size, or is it something more? Thanks, John J On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:58 AM, "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> wrote:


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    Time: 11:43:10 AM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    Hi Deems, As I mentioned in the other thread, I think you'll find that any/all of the consumer grade tablets will be disappointing in direct sunlight as compared to an aviation grade unit like a 696 or something. Anti-glare screen protectors go a long way, but still they are in a different league. If you go into this experience knowing that even the "best" of the consumer tablets are still poor in direct sunlight, then you'll be fine. But, if anyone tells you that certain ones are so much better in comparison, then you'll likely find that no matter which one you buy it'll still seem pretty meager in direct sun. I say go get a tablet and don't look back - you WILL fall in love with the thing after you play around with it for awhile; whether you use Garmin Pilot (my new fav), Foreflight, or WingX, any of them are a terrific addition to your flight bag. Cheers, Stein From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? I like the form factor of the mini as an 'in-cockpit' device, I was about to buy one, But a conversation I had with a pilot at the airport said he was extremely disappointed with it's screen readability. In his eyes the screen wasn't nearly bright enough for in-cockpit use. I haven't compared the NIT rating of each, Anybody have any real experience they'd like to share? Deems


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    Time: 12:10:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Thanks Stein, I've been flying with an Ipad w/glareshield ever since ForeFlight was available. I guess I should have asked: is the mini better/worse/same as the full size ipad wrt readability? On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Stein Bruch <stein@steinair.com> wrote: > Hi Deems,**** > > ** ** > > As I mentioned in the other thread, I think you=92ll find that any/all of > the consumer grade tablets will be disappointing in direct sunlight as > compared to an aviation grade unit like a 696 or something. Anti-glare > screen protectors go a long way, but still they are in a different league . > If you go into this experience knowing that even the =93best=94 of the co nsumer > tablets are still poor in direct sunlight, then you=92ll be fine. But, i f > anyone tells you that certain ones are so much better in comparison, then > you=92ll likely find that no matter which one you buy it=92ll still seem pretty > meager in direct sun. I say go get a tablet and don=92t look back ' yo u WILL > fall in love with the thing after you play around with it for awhile; > whether you use Garmin Pilot (my new fav), Foreflight, or WingX, any of > them are a terrific addition to your flight bag.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > Stein **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Deems Davis > *Sent:* Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:12 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?**** > > ** ** > > I like the form factor of the mini as an 'in-cockpit' device, I was about > to buy one, But a conversation I had with a pilot at the airport said he > was extremely disappointed with it's screen readability. In his eyes the > screen wasn't nearly bright enough for in-cockpit use. I haven't compared > the NIT rating of each,**** > > Anybody have any real experience they'd like to share?**** > > ** ** > > Deems**** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 12:59:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: USB Charger Adapter
    From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
    I don't know if both have the same rating. I have however plugged my iPhone and ipad at the same time and they both charge fine. I did not keep the paperwork so I can't even look it up. But I did a test to be sure it worked before cutting the panel. One thing I like about mine is the you can remove the trim and just have a small round plug for a clean installation. Don't expect fast charging but it will better than keep up with consumption. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPad On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > Rob: Do you know if both outlets are 2.1 amp or just one of them like many I > see. The description says "Max. Output Current: 2.1A" so I guess that means > both the iPad and the Stratus can't be charging at the same time. But I like > this idea and Monday I'm calling Stein concerning his offering as well. > Maybe install 1 or 2 of his and keep my cigarette lighter for an adaptor if > needed. > Albert Gardner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:40 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: USB Charger Adapter > > > Albert, > > Here is a product on Amazon that I have installed in my plane. It has 2 > USBs and it is a very clean installation. It does gradually charge the ipad > in flight with the display set on bright. > > do not archive > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:36:09 PM PST US
    From: <kboatright1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    I=99d love any suggestions for a good anti-glare screen protector... From: Stein Bruch Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? Hi Deems, As I mentioned in the other thread, I think you=99ll find that any/all of the consumer grade tablets will be disappointing in direct sunlight as compared to an aviation grade unit like a 696 or something. Anti-glare screen protectors go a long way, but still they are in a different league. If you go into this experience knowing that even the =9Cbest=9D of the consumer tablets are still poor in direct sunlight, then you=99ll be fine. But, if anyone tells you that certain ones are so much better in comparison, then you=99ll likely find that no matter which one you buy it=99ll still seem pretty meager in direct sun. I say go get a tablet and don=99t look back =93 you WILL fall in love with the thing after you play around with it for awhile; whether you use Garmin Pilot (my new fav), Foreflight, or WingX, any of them are a terrific addition to your flight bag. Cheers, Stein From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? I like the form factor of the mini as an 'in-cockpit' device, I was about to buy one, But a conversation I had with a pilot at the airport said he was extremely disappointed with it's screen readability. In his eyes the screen wasn't nearly bright enough for in-cockpit use. I haven't compared the NIT rating of each, Anybody have any real experience they'd like to share? Deems http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 03:54:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Brando anti-glare. I buy them for ever i-device I have and have bought doze ns for me and others at work. On Jul 13, 2013, at 4:35 PM, <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote: > I=99d love any suggestions for a good anti-glare screen protector... > > From: Stein Bruch > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:42 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? > > Hi Deems, > > As I mentioned in the other thread, I think you=99ll find that any/a ll of the consumer grade tablets will be disappointing in direct sunlight as compared to an aviation grade unit like a 696 or something. Anti-glare scr een protectors go a long way, but still they are in a different league. If y ou go into this experience knowing that even the =9Cbest=9D of t he consumer tablets are still poor in direct sunlight, then you=99ll b e fine. But, if anyone tells you that certain ones are so much better in co mparison, then you=99ll likely find that no matter which one you buy i t=99ll still seem pretty meager in direct sun. I say go get a tablet a nd don=99t look back =93 you WILL fall in love with the thing af ter you play around with it for awhile; whether you use Garmin Pilot (my new fav), Foreflight, or WingX, any of them are a terrific addition to your fli ght bag. > > Cheers, > Stein > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:12 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ipad Mini PIREPs ? > > I like the form factor of the mini as an 'in-cockpit' device, I was about t o buy one, But a conversation I had with a pilot at the airport said he was e xtremely disappointed with it's screen readability. In his eyes the screen w asn't nearly bright enough for in-cockpit use. I haven't compared the NIT ra ting of each, > Anybody have any real experience they'd like to share? > > Deems > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 08:31:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ipad Mini PIREPs ?
    From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>
    I agree with the above. My mini with a Brando glare shield is nowhere as good as the display on my Cheltons, but it is good enough. It is mounted right of center to my panel with a RAM ball mount. I can almost always tilt it to eliminate glare. Jim Berry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404654#404654




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