---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/17/13: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:54 AM - Alternatives to RockRack Switches (Dan Charrois) 2. 03:18 AM - Re: Alternatives to RockRack Switches (Bob Leffler) 3. 05:47 AM - Pink Slip (rleffler) 4. 06:15 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Don McDonald) 5. 06:17 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Rene Felker) 6. 06:23 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Tim Olson) 7. 06:27 AM - Re: Pink Slip (rleffler) 8. 07:06 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Kelly McMullen) 9. 07:26 AM - Re: Go Pro mounts (Strasnuts) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Linn Walters) 11. 08:46 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Jesse Saint) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Bob Leffler) 13. 09:26 AM - Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce (Dave Fritzsche (Building)) 14. 09:30 AM - Re: Pink Slip (Byron Gillespie) 15. 09:37 AM - Re: Alternatives to RockRack Switches (Bill Watson) 16. 10:26 AM - Re: Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce (Bob Leffler) 17. 11:59 AM - Re: Alternatives to RockRack Switches (charliewaffles) 18. 02:25 PM - Re: Alternatives to RockRack Switches (Geoff Combs) 19. 03:25 PM - Re: Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce (Albert Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:02 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Alternatives to RockRack Switches From: Dan Charrois Hi there. When it comes to switches for my panel, I like the idea of LED illuminated switches with some kind of text/icon directly visible on the switch to indicate its function. I'd rather not have to label the panel itself. The Aveo RockRack switches, though a bit on the large side, seemed exactly what I was working for. However, when I went to contact a distributor about them, I was told that they're no longer being made, in anticipation for a "new version" with no ETA. I can wait a bit if I knew how long the wait would be, but not indefinitely, so I'm exploring different options. Does anybody have something else they could suggest (or does someone know a source for RockRack switches that has them in stock)? One possibility is perhaps something that allows me to laser print on acetate my own labels to slide into a window on the switch? I was looking at the Carling Contura V series, with some of their actuators that provide a square illumination window, but the more closely I look into them, I'm suspecting its just a frosted window with no ability for custom labelling. I also looked at NKK SmartSwitches, but though they may look nice, add a lot of extra complication. (The primary complication I see is that I'd need to design an interface board to convert their momentary contact into a latched on or off state, and it seems that the reliability when introducing that kind of complication would go way down). I've seen the rocker switches available from AeroSport Products (I'm already using their carbon fibre panel and interior), but from their photos on the web site, their labels look somewhat "washed out" (though this could just be a side effect of the photos overexposing the labelled portion). Has anyone seen them to know what they look like in reality? From what I've seen so far, they seem like my best bet, but I wanted to check with the members of the list here first to get opinions on what makes a nice looking switch for the RV-10. Dan -- Syzygy Research & Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alternatives to RockRack Switches From: Bob Leffler I have Geoff's switches in my RV-10. The labels are black lettered decals applied to the led window on the switch, They are very well defined and sharp. Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Dan Charrois wrote: > > > I've seen the rocker switches available from AeroSport Products (I'm already using their carbon fibre panel and interior), but from their photos on the web site, their labels look somewhat "washed out" (though this could just be a side effect of the photos overexposing the labelled portion). Has anyone seen them to know what they look like in reality? From what I've seen so far, they seem like my best bet, but I wanted to check with the members of the list here first to get opinions on what makes a nice looking switch for the RV-10. > > Dan > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Pink Slip From: "rleffler" John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Phase I http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:29 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip Way to hang in there Bob.... now the fun begins. Don McDonald -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 7/17/13, rleffler wrote: Subject: RV10-List: Pink Slip To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 7:46 AM "rleffler" John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Phase I http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:15 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pink Slip Congrats. When are you planning to do your first flight? My first flight was one of the most significant events in my life....I will always remember it. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pink Slip John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Phase I http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:51 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip Awesome, Bob! So next year you'll have it at OSH for sure!!! Are you coming this year without it, or staying home to fly those hours off? Or, are you putting in some extra vacation time and flying it off before OSH? Tim On 7/17/2013 7:46 AM, rleffler wrote: > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:25 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Pink Slip From: "rleffler" rene(at)felker.com wrote: > Congrats. When are you planning to do your first flight? My first flight was one of the most significant events in my life....I will always remember it. > -- Probably at least a month out. I still have some work I want to complete on the plane before the first flight. To compound the situation, we're moving into a new house next week. The deal I made with my wife, was to allow me to dedicate myself on getting the airworthiness certificate, then I would focus on the house for the next two weeks. To be honest, a break from all the around the clock work on the plan will do me good. When I do perform the first flight, all my major life stressors will be behind me. bob Do Not Archive -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Phase I http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404835#404835 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:36 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip Huge congrats Bob! Seems like the finishing phase will never end. Have followed your build for a long time and it has been big help in making my choices. Kelly On 7/17/2013 5:46 AM, rleffler wrote: > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Go Pro mounts From: "Strasnuts" My website is updated to show the wingtip mount and the tie down mount sold separately or together. -------- 40936 RV-10 SB N801VR Flying 400 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404838#404838 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip Rene, for me too. 32 years ago I flew my Pitts S-1E for the first time. Every part of that first flight is still fresh and indelibly etched in my memory. My checkride for my private in 74 is the same way. Very momentous occasions!!! Linn On 7/17/2013 9:16 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > Congrats. When are you planning to do your first flight? My first flight was one of the most significant events in my life....I will always remember it. > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:47 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Pink Slip > > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip From: Jesse Saint Congrats! Our FSDO said that they think the supply of certificates faded to the peach color, but probably someone messed up the order or something. Who knows with the FAA. Do not archive Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:46 AM, "rleffler" wrote: > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip From: Bob Leffler John followed up with me after seeing his photo and caption on VAF this morning. He still doesn't know the answer other than its a controlled FAA form and that's what the office sent. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: Congrats! Our FSDO said that they think the supply of certificates faded to the peach color, but probably someone messed up the order or something. Who knows with the FAA. Do not archive Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:46 AM, "rleffler" wrote: > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:50 AM PST US From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" Subject: RV10-List: Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce I tried to order a keyed ignition switch and lock set A-510-2k (part number 11-03172) from Aircraft Spruce this morning. I wanted to include a third lock with all keyed alike to cover the two doors and baggage door as others have done on this list. The person taking the order asked me for a part number for the additional lock. No part number is shown on the web page. He said he could not order the additional lock without a part number. Does anyone have the part number for the third lock? Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA Fuselage ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pink Slip From: Byron Gillespie More congrats Bob! Look forward to the first flight review.. I fully agree with the Matronics list group and the individual web sites that are available for reference.Don't believe that I would have jumped in without the available support. Byron N253RV flying - but still need paint Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "rleffler" wrote: > > John Welsh, of the CMH FSDO, office stopped by the hanger today to inspect N410BL. Two hours later I had both the Airworthiness certificate and my temporary Repairman's certificate. > > > > I asked John why my pink slip was salmon. He didnt have an answer. > > I would like to thank my family, Janice, Brad, and Renee for all their work on the project. Now the fun can begin! I also want to thank Geoff Combs, Jim Baldwin, Joe Strausbaugh, Tom Webster Sr., Dana Saucier, Todd Stanton, Brent Owens, and all of the RV-10 Matronics list for all their assistance, mentoring, and friendship throughout the build. > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404830#404830 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alternatives to RockRack Switches I used white Honeywell rockers (AML34,24) with labels and backlighting. I'm assuming you aware of the these already and have already decided they are not what you want. But LEDs or incandescent bulbs can be used. There is a vendor that does quality custom lettering as well. Here's a pic of part of my panel with them http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=4053&log=122434&row=2 On 7/17/2013 5:53 AM, Dan Charrois wrote: > > Hi there. > > When it comes to switches for my panel, I like the idea of LED illuminated switches with some kind of text/icon directly visible on the switch to indicate its function. I'd rather not have to label the panel itself. The Aveo RockRack switches, though a bit on the large side, seemed exactly what I was working for. > > However, when I went to contact a distributor about them, I was told that they're no longer being made, in anticipation for a "new version" with no ETA. I can wait a bit if I knew how long the wait would be, but not indefinitely, so I'm exploring different options. > > Does anybody have something else they could suggest (or does someone know a source for RockRack switches that has them in stock)? One possibility is perhaps something that allows me to laser print on acetate my own labels to slide into a window on the switch? I was looking at the Carling Contura V series, with some of their actuators that provide a square illumination window, but the more closely I look into them, I'm suspecting its just a frosted window with no ability for custom labelling. > > I also looked at NKK SmartSwitches, but though they may look nice, add a lot of extra complication. (The primary complication I see is that I'd need to design an interface board to convert their momentary contact into a latched on or off state, and it seems that the reliability when introducing that kind of complication would go way down). > > I've seen the rocker switches available from AeroSport Products (I'm already using their carbon fibre panel and interior), but from their photos on the web site, their labels look somewhat "washed out" (though this could just be a side effect of the photos overexposing the labelled portion). Has anyone seen them to know what they look like in reality? From what I've seen so far, they seem like my best bet, but I wanted to check with the members of the list here first to get opinions on what makes a nice looking switch for the RV-10. > > Dan > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce From: Bob Leffler I would have to look it up and all my records are packed for an upcoming move. I was told that they really don't have a option for adding a single lock. I suspect it's a lack of defined process issue. ACS does have a sku for a custom order for the switch and four identical keyed locks. It's not on their website. That's what I did. It took about two weeks to get the locks. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:26 PM, "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" wrote: I tried to order a keyed ignition switch and lock set A-510-2k (part number 11-03172) from Aircraft Spruce this morning. I wanted to include a third lock with all keyed alike to cover the two doors and baggage door as others have done on this list. The person taking the order asked me for a part number for the additional lock. No part number is shown on the web page. He said he could not order the additional lock without a part number. Does anyone have the part number for the third lock? Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA Fuselage ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Alternatives to RockRack Switches From: "charliewaffles" The Rockrack switches are easily in stock at ACS. I would recommend purchasing them there. The "future" version has never materialized so I wouldn't wait for them. The dual colored lights are difficult to get ahold of and if ACS doesn't have them, it could be 6+ months. But if you are sticking to a single color lamp, then you should be good to go with them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404854#404854 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:32 PM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Alternatives to RockRack Switches Dan We have sold many of these switches and everyone that likes rockers switches seems to like them. The lettering Is very easy to read and you are not limited to only certain lettering or graphics. We can do custom lettering if Needed for a small up charge. Pricing is way less than AVEO See attached photos Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Products 8090 howe industrial pkwy canal winchester, ohio 43110 614.834.8659p www.aerosportproducts.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alternatives to RockRack Switches I used white Honeywell rockers (AML34,24) with labels and backlighting. I'm assuming you aware of the these already and have already decided they are not what you want. But LEDs or incandescent bulbs can be used. There is a vendor that does quality custom lettering as well. Here's a pic of part of my panel with them http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&c ategory=4053&log=122434&row=2 On 7/17/2013 5:53 AM, Dan Charrois wrote: > > Hi there. > > When it comes to switches for my panel, I like the idea of LED illuminated switches with some kind of text/icon directly visible on the switch to indicate its function. I'd rather not have to label the panel itself. The Aveo RockRack switches, though a bit on the large side, seemed exactly what I was working for. > > However, when I went to contact a distributor about them, I was told that they're no longer being made, in anticipation for a "new version" with no ETA. I can wait a bit if I knew how long the wait would be, but not indefinitely, so I'm exploring different options. > > Does anybody have something else they could suggest (or does someone know a source for RockRack switches that has them in stock)? One possibility is perhaps something that allows me to laser print on acetate my own labels to slide into a window on the switch? I was looking at the Carling Contura V series, with some of their actuators that provide a square illumination window, but the more closely I look into them, I'm suspecting its just a frosted window with no ability for custom labelling. > > I also looked at NKK SmartSwitches, but though they may look nice, add a lot of extra complication. (The primary complication I see is that I'd need to design an interface board to convert their momentary contact into a latched on or off state, and it seems that the reliability when introducing that kind of complication would go way down). > > I've seen the rocker switches available from AeroSport Products (I'm already using their carbon fibre panel and interior), but from their photos on the web site, their labels look somewhat "washed out" (though this could just be a side effect of the photos overexposing the labelled portion). Has anyone seen them to know what they look like in reality? From what I've seen so far, they seem like my best bet, but I wanted to check with the members of the list here first to get opinions on what makes a nice looking switch for the RV-10. > > Dan > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:24 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Part Number for Third Keyed Lock From Aircraft Spruce I bought a similar lock at Lowes and took it to the local locksmith. They made it fit my ignition key. 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