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1. 06:07 AM - Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Tim Olson)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (johngoodman)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: Encouragement (Jason Wodack)
4. 11:22 AM - Baggage Tie Downs (Dave Fritzsche (Building))
5. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Bill Watson)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Rene Felker)
7. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Linn Walters)
8. 12:08 PM - Fast When They Don't Have To Be (Sean Stephens)
9. 12:45 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Carl Froehlich)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be (Bob Turner)
11. 02:16 PM - Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be (Pascal)
12. 02:47 PM - Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be (Sean Stephens)
13. 03:41 PM - Re: Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Robin Marks)
14. 04:31 PM - Re: Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Kelly McMullen)
15. 04:35 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Dave Saylor)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Robin Marks)
17. 04:57 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Rob Kermanj)
18. 04:59 PM - Re: Stalls,,was Stick Rotation - (Kelly McMullen)
19. 05:09 PM - Re: Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Linn Walters)
20. 05:33 PM - Dynon News (Stein Bruch)
21. 05:36 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Rob Kermanj)
22. 05:56 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Tim Farrell)
23. 07:05 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Don McDonald)
24. 07:14 PM - Re: 2013 RV-10 Airventure Group Camping (bcondrey)
25. 07:27 PM - AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Tim Lewis)
26. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be (Don McDonald)
27. 07:48 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Pascal)
28. 08:07 PM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
29. 08:11 PM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Tim Olson)
30. 08:19 PM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Bob Condrey)
31. 08:28 PM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (John Cox)
32. 08:30 PM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
While usually Robin and I are on the same page, here I differ a bit.
I think too much is made of the rotating of the grip. Yeah, you will want it
rotated slightly, but I don't think any major rotation is warranted.
I would probably be more likely to recommend AGAINST going
very far in rotation and here's why...
When flying the RV-10, even during landing, I rarely use more than
2 or 3 fingertips on the stick....LITERALLY. You just give it gentle
nudges with 1 or 2 fingers and it does what you want. Honestly
I never ever have the need to grab the grip with a full hand on most
flights. You could throw an mis-shapen blob of rocks on the end of
the stick and I could fly with it, because gripping it is just not
something you would do for hours on end. Your forearm rests
on your legs and it's very comfortable to fly. I could fly with it
cockeyed by 40 degrees, 90 degrees, or 180 degrees.
But, when the rubber meets the road, and you DO need to grip it
hard, that's likely going to be during a time of trouble....some time when
you're going to actually exert yourself to push or pull or yank and bank
like during some event or bad turbulence. At that point I would
recommend that the yoke be rotated in the direction that gives you
the most arm "solid" control ability. Sit at your desk right now,
and try to push yourself back from your desk with your fist, and
see what position your arm wants to be in. Mine certainly doesn't
have full strength at 40 degrees offset. In fact, it's probably
not many degrees off straight...maybe 5-10 at most.
So my position on it is basically....rotate the grip so that if you needed
to do a hard push to override an autopilot or break a stall or
perform a hard maneuver, you could do it with a locked wrist and
be comfortable. And, beyond that, don't worry about it much because
if you're giving the stick your full grip during normal maneuvers
you're probably trying too hard...it's a plane that can be flown
with fingertips and trim alone.
As Dave Mason sung years ago..... "We just disagree", Robin. :)
No worries though....this one falls into that "do whatever you wish"
category as far as I'm concerned. I'm just providing the counterpoint.
Tim
On 7/21/2013 4:58 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Inside. In fact even if I had a stick boot (which I never will) I would run them
inside. With the Infinity wire bundle there are a LOT of wires. I think we
ended up using a common ground so we were able to remove more than a third of
the wires leaving extras in case I wanted to expand in the future. This made
it a lot easier to fish through the stick. On the tail end we used a D Shell style
connector in the rare event we would have to remove the stick. We did the
same set up on all the 2 place RV's as we often removed the Co-pilots stick for
various reasons.
> One note on grip buttons. If I were to do it over again with all the modern tech
and push button items in our cockpit I would now dedicate one button to an
OK or Accept button. We get the most random notifications on these glass displays
that simply request acknowledgement. It would be nice the flick a pinky to
confirm the notification.
> One note on the grips themselves. I see so many installs that have the grip facing
straight forward. I strongly suggest you sit in your seat properly located
forward & aft to see what angle your stick hand lands on the stick. Put the
grip in our hand un-mounted or over the stick to see what feels best. Close your
eyes and drop your hand into position. Do it several times. You will notice
the ideal orientation has significant rotation from directly forward. Mine was
about a 40 Degree rotation. No way would straight forward be comfortable for
long hand flying. Even worse on takeoff when you often have to flick the trim
several times, flip the Flaps Up toggle and push the flip/flop not having the
correct & natural orientation on the grip makes for something less than ideal
button orientation as well as a less natural placement in your hand. Just something
to consider.
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
Infinity grip with the wires on the outside. Full boot cover from Flightline Interiors.
Very slightly rotated.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Encouragement |
Kelly,
I'm in the planning stage for my -10 build. My Tri Pacer is currently tied
down at KCHD. If your available at some point while I'm up working on my
piper(I live in Sierra Vista) I would love to see your -10 and chat about
the project.
Thanks,
Jason
Do not archive
On Jul 21, 2013 8:07 PM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, this morning, as I pull my Mooney out of hangar for a breakfast
run, I see Doug Petersen launch in his RV-10. I fly to Glendale for
breakfast and meet Dave McNeil there with his RV-10. I fly back to
Chandler, put Mooney away, go to terminal and there is Doug Petersen, just
back from his breakfast run to Payson. So I go back to RV-10 hangar and try
to be productive moving along my RV-10 project.
> In the 90-90 phase.
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage Tie Downs |
Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
I tried to strike a reasonable balance between beauty and function.
Actually I just got lazy.
Tosten grips and external wire run without a boot. Looks utilitarian
but neat to my eyes. No regrets until this thread.
I chose the Tosten grip because the Infinity had 1 or two more functions
than I could see using. I also liked the rotating ability because the
most comfortable position is far from straight ahead as someone else has
noted. Rotating is even better and the Tosten does that very well.
After 2 years of flying I use the mic button and trim hat all the
time. But since the AP is normally connected, I use the the AP disco
100% and the Transponder ident 50% of the time. Don't use the flip flop
at all. Can't think of another function I would actually use if on the
stick.
Bill "only slightly embarrassed as I look at my taped up stick move all
by itself" Watson
On 7/21/2013 7:37 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> My plane is definitely function first, beauty last. I ran the wires, in a protective
covering, on the outside.
> Adding to Robin's comment, one nice feature of the Tosten grip is that the hold
down screw rides in a groove. With it snug but not tight the grip rotates naturally
with your hand, as you move the stick.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage Tie Downs |
I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have
not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need
them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
<dfritz@bpgsim.com>
Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
Dave
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40813
Puyallup, WA
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
On 7/22/2013 2:38 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
snip
> I chose the Tosten grip because the Infinity had 1 or two more
> functions than I could see using. I also liked the rotating ability
> because the most comfortable position is far from straight ahead as
> someone else has noted. Rotating is even better and the Tosten does
> that very well.
I just didn't like the looks of the Tosten, although the swivel function
was pretty neat.
>
> After 2 years of flying I use the mic button and trim hat all the
> time. But since the AP is normally connected, I use the the AP disco
> 100% and the Transponder ident 50% of the time. Don't use the flip
> flop at all. Can't think of another function I would actually use if
> on the stick.
Part of the reason for my choosing the Infinity is .... I'll have
aileron and rudder trim driven by model airplane servos. Maxed out the
switches with only one momentary switch not spoke for. I figured that I
could let switches go unused Vs. adding switches later .......
One comment on running the huge number of wires .... I have all wires
running through a DB-25 that connects to a harness. The harness is 3
DB-25s, one mounted each side behind the pilot/copilot calf and one in
the center tunnel for distribution .... all in parallel. I can easily
install a switch to break the copilots ground rendering that stick inop
.... just haven't found a good place to put the switch.
Linn .... through the stick.
>
> Bill "only slightly embarrassed as I look at my taped up stick move
> all by itself" Watson
>
>
> On 7/21/2013 7:37 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>>
>> My plane is definitely function first, beauty last. I ran the wires,
>> in a protective covering, on the outside.
>> Adding to Robin's comment, one nice feature of the Tosten grip is
>> that the hold down screw rides in a groove. With it snug but not
>> tight the grip rotates naturally with your hand, as you move the stick.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Fast When They Don't Have To Be |
Here I was planning ahead by a few months to get my registration into
the FAA as recommended. Well, I got it back in a week. Guess all I
have to do now is finish that last 10%. Oh and pay the tax bill that
will now be triggered. :)
-Sean #40303 (prepping for paint)
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| Subject: | Baggage Tie Downs |
I found some nice indoor/outdoor carpet in the aviation section at Lowes.
This is about 1/8" think with a rubber back. A few inches of double sided
tape and you have a surface that limits stuff moving around - and it looks
good. $20 got me enough to change out this carpet several times.
Carl
RV-10 (120 hrs)
RV-8A (sold)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have
not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need
them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
<dfritz@bpgsim.com>
Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be |
Just remember that it will need to be renewed 3 years from now (July) not 3 years
from when you get your A/W certificate.
Here in CA tax is assessed on property you own on Jan first. I was careful to not
send in the application until after that. Nevertheless, I got a letter from
the tax assessor asking, "How long have you owned this aircraft?". I replied
that as I had no A/W certificate, that I did not yet own any airplane, just airplane
parts. That seemed to work, they left me alone until the next year.
They are still appraising it for more than it is insured for, but that's another
story.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be |
If you're in a place like California where you'll get a huge tax bill for
the plane, call the Tax agency and tell them ahead of time. I was able to
get deferred a year while I finished up the plane to make it "flyable". Once
you explain it's a home built and the FAA registration is needed for the
pink slip, that may not come for months, the agency usually understands and
works with you.
Just get it done in less than a year ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fast When They Don't Have To Be
Here I was planning ahead by a few months to get my registration into
the FAA as recommended. Well, I got it back in a week. Guess all I
have to do now is finish that last 10%. Oh and pay the tax bill that
will now be triggered. :)
-Sean #40303 (prepping for paint)
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| Subject: | Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be |
Yep. Already talked to the Illinois folks. I'll be sending in the form
with my costs/invoices so I don't have to rely on their valuation.
We'll see how that works out.
On 7/22/13 4:15 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> If you're in a place like California where you'll get a huge tax bill
> for the plane, call the Tax agency and tell them ahead of time. I was
> able to get deferred a year while I finished up the plane to make it
> "flyable". Once you explain it's a home built and the FAA registration
> is needed for the pink slip, that may not come for months, the agency
> usually understands and works with you.
> Just get it done in less than a year ;-)
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fast When They Don't Have To Be
>
>
> Here I was planning ahead by a few months to get my registration into
> the FAA as recommended. Well, I got it back in a week. Guess all I
> have to do now is finish that last 10%. Oh and pay the tax bill that
> will now be triggered. :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (prepping for paint)
>
>
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
My main point about stick grip rotation was less about an absolute number and more
about avoiding blindly installing a grip (especially an Infinity Grip) straight
forward. 10 degrees, 40 degrees whatever you want just don't near permanently
affix your grip without some forethought. I say especially an Infinity Grip
because they seem to be more "molded" than say the Tosten grips.
As for the desk test mentioned below maybe pushing away gives an ideal rotation
of 5-10 but I doubt pulling gives you the same result. I hope to never have to
exert that much pressure on an RV stick. I take that back when doing Power On
Stalls in the -10 either solo or with my light weight instructor and half tanks
the -10 feels like you have to stand it on its tail to cause it to stall.
In that instance I find you might want even more rotation as it feels more like
a curling a heavy weight. Man that -10 is hard to stall with power on. I remember
being totally drenched after 3 Power On Stalls, followed by the most gentle
and predictable break. I love my RV's!
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brain trust stick wiring poll
While usually Robin and I are on the same page, here I differ a bit.
I think too much is made of the rotating of the grip. Yeah, you will want it rotated
slightly, but I don't think any major rotation is warranted.
I would probably be more likely to recommend AGAINST going very far in rotation
and here's why...
When flying the RV-10, even during landing, I rarely use more than
2 or 3 fingertips on the stick....LITERALLY. You just give it gentle nudges with
1 or 2 fingers and it does what you want. Honestly I never ever have the need
to grab the grip with a full hand on most flights. You could throw an mis-shapen
blob of rocks on the end of the stick and I could fly with it, because
gripping it is just not something you would do for hours on end. Your forearm
rests on your legs and it's very comfortable to fly. I could fly with it cockeyed
by 40 degrees, 90 degrees, or 180 degrees.
But, when the rubber meets the road, and you DO need to grip it hard, that's likely
going to be during a time of trouble....some time when you're going to actually
exert yourself to push or pull or yank and bank like during some event
or bad turbulence. At that point I would recommend that the yoke be rotated in
the direction that gives you the most arm "solid" control ability. Sit at your
desk right now, and try to push yourself back from your desk with your fist,
and see what position your arm wants to be in. Mine certainly doesn't have
full strength at 40 degrees offset. In fact, it's probably not many degrees
off straight...maybe 5-10 at most.
So my position on it is basically....rotate the grip so that if you needed to do
a hard push to override an autopilot or break a stall or perform a hard maneuver,
you could do it with a locked wrist and be comfortable. And, beyond that,
don't worry about it much because if you're giving the stick your full grip
during normal maneuvers you're probably trying too hard...it's a plane that can
be flown with fingertips and trim alone.
As Dave Mason sung years ago..... "We just disagree", Robin. :) No worries though....this
one falls into that "do whatever you wish"
category as far as I'm concerned. I'm just providing the counterpoint.
Tim
On 7/21/2013 4:58 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Inside. In fact even if I had a stick boot (which I never will) I would run them
inside. With the Infinity wire bundle there are a LOT of wires. I think we
ended up using a common ground so we were able to remove more than a third of
the wires leaving extras in case I wanted to expand in the future. This made
it a lot easier to fish through the stick. On the tail end we used a D Shell style
connector in the rare event we would have to remove the stick. We did the
same set up on all the 2 place RV's as we often removed the Co-pilots stick for
various reasons.
> One note on grip buttons. If I were to do it over again with all the modern tech
and push button items in our cockpit I would now dedicate one button to an
OK or Accept button. We get the most random notifications on these glass displays
that simply request acknowledgement. It would be nice the flick a pinky to
confirm the notification.
> One note on the grips themselves. I see so many installs that have the grip facing
straight forward. I strongly suggest you sit in your seat properly located
forward & aft to see what angle your stick hand lands on the stick. Put the
grip in our hand un-mounted or over the stick to see what feels best. Close your
eyes and drop your hand into position. Do it several times. You will notice
the ideal orientation has significant rotation from directly forward. Mine was
about a 40 Degree rotation. No way would straight forward be comfortable for
long hand flying. Even worse on takeoff when you often have to flick the trim
several times, flip the Flaps Up toggle and push the flip/flop not having the
correct & natural orientation on the grip makes for something less than ideal
button orientation as well as a less natural placement in your hand. Just something
to consider.
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
I don't recall doing a power on stall yet in a -10. However, since the
point of the exercise is in a max gross wt and high density altitude
scenario, I would think that one would want to limit power to around
60-70% for such a maneuver if you aren't in fact at full gross.
You want what it feels to take off at gross from Big Bear, Flagstaff,
Leadville, Aspen, etc on a summer day so as to not inadvertently stall
in that situation.
Having all the excess power of a -10 at 30% useful load is not going to
give you any idea of what a typical departure stall feels like.
On 7/22/2013 3:40 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I take that back when doing Power On Stalls in the -10 either solo or with
my light weight instructor and half tanks the -10 feels like you have to stand
it on its tail to cause it to stall. In that instance I find you might want even
more rotation as it feels more like a curling a heavy weight. Man that -10
is hard to stall with power on. I remember being totally drenched after 3 Power
On Stalls, followed by the most gentle and predictable break. I love my RV's!
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
YMMV when you come to a sudden, unplanned stop. Yes, we sell tie downs
($49, available on our web site), but mostly because I'm pretty fanatic
about securing stuff in the cabin and the baggage compartment. Early in my
career I worked for a company that lost a customer after he survived the
crash but not the baggage.
I have tiedowns and a cargo net. Belt and suspenders, literally.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have
> not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I did not
> need
> them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
> (Building)
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
> To: RV-10 Matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
>
> <dfritz@bpgsim.com>
>
> Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Fuselage
>
>
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I tried Power On Stalls in several configurations including right near Max Gross
Weight. The Lightly loaded one was particularly memorable that is why I mentioned
it. It is the time I recall having to pull most on an RV stick.
Robin
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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll
I don't recall doing a power on stall yet in a -10. However, since the point of
the exercise is in a max gross wt and high density altitude scenario, I would
think that one would want to limit power to around 60-70% for such a maneuver
if you aren't in fact at full gross.
You want what it feels to take off at gross from Big Bear, Flagstaff, Leadville,
Aspen, etc on a summer day so as to not inadvertently stall in that situation.
Having all the excess power of a -10 at 30% useful load is not going to give you
any idea of what a typical departure stall feels like.
On 7/22/2013 3:40 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I take that back when doing Power On Stalls in the -10 either solo or with
my light weight instructor and half tanks the -10 feels like you have to stand
it on its tail to cause it to stall. In that instance I find you might want even
more rotation as it feels more like a curling a heavy weight. Man that -10
is hard to stall with power on. I remember being totally drenched after 3 Power
On Stalls, followed by the most gentle and predictable break. I love my RV's!
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
If you fly in turbulence, like penetrating any kind of weather, it is a must.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:45 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and have
> not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I did not need
> them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
> (Building)
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
> To: RV-10 Matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
>
> <dfritz@bpgsim.com>
>
> Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Stalls,,was Stick Rotation - |
The reason it was memorable is it is a flight scenario you will never
get yourself into inadvertently.
The whole point of doing stalls is to do them in the way that they would
inadvertently bite you when you are distracted. Like the power off base
to final turn, the accelerated steep turn about a moose or nudist camp, etc.
You know, when you are totally focused on something outside the plane,
like obstacles off the end of runway on full gross takeoff at 10,000 DA,
and you mind is saying "what is that annoying buzzing outside my ANR
headset".
On 7/22/2013 4:45 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I tried Power On Stalls in several configurations including right near Max Gross
Weight. The Lightly loaded one was particularly memorable that is why I mentioned
it. It is the time I recall having to pull most on an RV stick.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List:Stick Rotation - Was: Brain trust stick wiring poll
>
>
> I don't recall doing a power on stall yet in a -10. However, since the point
of the exercise is in a max gross wt and high density altitude scenario, I would
think that one would want to limit power to around 60-70% for such a maneuver
if you aren't in fact at full gross.
> You want what it feels to take off at gross from Big Bear, Flagstaff, Leadville,
Aspen, etc on a summer day so as to not inadvertently stall in that situation.
> Having all the excess power of a -10 at 30% useful load is not going to give
you any idea of what a typical departure stall feels like.
>
> On 7/22/2013 3:40 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>> I take that back when doing Power On Stalls in the -10 either solo or with
my light weight instructor and half tanks the -10 feels like you have to stand
it on its tail to cause it to stall. In that instance I find you might want
even more rotation as it feels more like a curling a heavy weight. Man that -10
is hard to stall with power on. I remember being totally drenched after 3 Power
On Stalls, followed by the most gentle and predictable break. I love my RV's!
>>
>> Robin
>>
>
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On 7/22/2013 6:40 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> My main point about stick grip rotation was less about an absolute number and
more about avoiding blindly installing a grip (especially an Infinity Grip) straight
forward. 10 degrees, 40 degrees whatever you want just don't near permanently
affix your grip without some forethought. I say especially an Infinity
Grip because they seem to be more "molded" than say the Tosten grips.
Good point. I have flown with a stick that had a bicycle grip with the
'knuckles' straight forward. Really uncomfortable. You can get a good
idea fo the angle if you place your hand in a 'loose grip' and see where
the thumb intersection is in relation to the 2nd or 3rd finger joints.
Just hold the stick grip where it's comfortable. I always thought a
Tosten grip would work really well in an airplane with a center stick.
Linn
> As for the desk test mentioned below maybe pushing away gives an ideal rotation
of 5-10 but I doubt pulling gives you the same result. I hope to never have
to exert that much pressure on an RV stick. I take that back when doing Power
On Stalls in the -10 either solo or with my light weight instructor and half
tanks the -10 feels like you have to stand it on its tail to cause it to stall.
In that instance I find you might want even more rotation as it feels more like
a curling a heavy weight. Man that -10 is hard to stall with power on. I remember
being totally drenched after 3 Power On Stalls, followed by the most gentle
and predictable break. I love my RV's!
>
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brain trust stick wiring poll
>
>
> While usually Robin and I are on the same page, here I differ a bit.
> I think too much is made of the rotating of the grip. Yeah, you will want it
rotated slightly, but I don't think any major rotation is warranted.
> I would probably be more likely to recommend AGAINST going very far in rotation
and here's why...
>
> When flying the RV-10, even during landing, I rarely use more than
> 2 or 3 fingertips on the stick....LITERALLY. You just give it gentle nudges
with 1 or 2 fingers and it does what you want. Honestly I never ever have the
need to grab the grip with a full hand on most flights. You could throw an mis-shapen
blob of rocks on the end of the stick and I could fly with it, because
gripping it is just not something you would do for hours on end. Your forearm
rests on your legs and it's very comfortable to fly. I could fly with it cockeyed
by 40 degrees, 90 degrees, or 180 degrees.
>
> But, when the rubber meets the road, and you DO need to grip it hard, that's
likely going to be during a time of trouble....some time when you're going to
actually exert yourself to push or pull or yank and bank like during some event
or bad turbulence. At that point I would recommend that the yoke be rotated
in the direction that gives you the most arm "solid" control ability. Sit at
your desk right now, and try to push yourself back from your desk with your fist,
and see what position your arm wants to be in. Mine certainly doesn't have
full strength at 40 degrees offset. In fact, it's probably not many degrees
off straight...maybe 5-10 at most.
>
> So my position on it is basically....rotate the grip so that if you needed to
do a hard push to override an autopilot or break a stall or perform a hard maneuver,
you could do it with a locked wrist and be comfortable. And, beyond that,
don't worry about it much because if you're giving the stick your full grip
during normal maneuvers you're probably trying too hard...it's a plane that
can be flown with fingertips and trim alone.
>
> As Dave Mason sung years ago..... "We just disagree", Robin. :) No worries though....this
one falls into that "do whatever you wish"
> category as far as I'm concerned. I'm just providing the counterpoint.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 7/21/2013 4:58 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>> Inside. In fact even if I had a stick boot (which I never will) I would run
them inside. With the Infinity wire bundle there are a LOT of wires. I think we
ended up using a common ground so we were able to remove more than a third of
the wires leaving extras in case I wanted to expand in the future. This made
it a lot easier to fish through the stick. On the tail end we used a D Shell
style connector in the rare event we would have to remove the stick. We did the
same set up on all the 2 place RV's as we often removed the Co-pilots stick
for various reasons.
>> One note on grip buttons. If I were to do it over again with all the modern
tech and push button items in our cockpit I would now dedicate one button to an
OK or Accept button. We get the most random notifications on these glass displays
that simply request acknowledgement. It would be nice the flick a pinky
to confirm the notification.
>> One note on the grips themselves. I see so many installs that have the grip
facing straight forward. I strongly suggest you sit in your seat properly located
forward & aft to see what angle your stick hand lands on the stick. Put the
grip in our hand un-mounted or over the stick to see what feels best. Close
your eyes and drop your hand into position. Do it several times. You will notice
the ideal orientation has significant rotation from directly forward. Mine
was about a 40 Degree rotation. No way would straight forward be comfortable for
long hand flying. Even worse on takeoff when you often have to flick the trim
several times, flip the Flaps Up toggle and push the flip/flop not having the
correct & natural orientation on the grip makes for something less than ideal
button orientation as well as a less natural placement in your hand. Just something
to consider.
>>
>> Robin
>>
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For those who may have missed this today:
Quick Link:
http://dynonavionics.com/docs/news_AFS-Acquisition_22July2013.html
Long version:
*************************************************************
Woodinville, WA, July 22nd, 2013 - Dynon Avionics and Advanced Flight
Systems (AFS) have joined forces, with the acquisition of AFS by Dynon.
Advanced Flight Systems is an innovator in avionics for experimental
aircraft. Started in 1999 by founder and President Rob Hickman, AFS first
offered one of the most popular engine monitoring systems available for
homebuilts. This soon grew into an "aircraft monitoring system" featuring
other airframe monitoring and notification systems, a full featured fuel
computer, and an engine data acquisition instrument. AFS holds patents on
Angle of Attack (AoA) technology and has long been a leader with AoA
products. Their EFIS products have long been first to market with innovative
new features.
Dynon Avionics is the leading manufacturer of avionics for experimental and
light sport aircraft, with worldwide sales and distribution in over forty
countries. Started in 2000 and located with design and manufacturing
facilities near Seattle, Washington, Dynon has been at the center of
research and development for modern avionics products. Their mission is to
offer advanced products at affordable prices.
Rob Hickman commented on the acquisition, saying "I am pleased to be working
with a company so committed to experimental aircraft. We have long been
friendly competitors; their resources, infrastructure, and financial
stability allow me to focus on the product development that I love to do. If
Dynon had not been in this market, glass panel systems would still cost
$20,000 to $30,000, and they will be again if the people truly dedicated to
homebuilders aren't working together."
Robert Hamilton, President of Dynon agrees, saying "We look forward to
working with AFS as collaborators. The homebuilder market has always been
the incubator for advanced technologies. Keeping the true innovators working
in this industry is important to us, and we have the financial resources,
market presence, and company growth to be able to keep AFS going strong in
this market for years to come."
Rob Hickman and his staff will stay where they are currently located, in
Canby, Oregon, and both companies will continue to operate their design,
sales, marketing, and support functions separately. Dynon will use its
financial leverage and extensive manufacturing and supply chain resources to
lower the cost structure for AFS. Mr. Hamilton mentions "With our strong US
manufacturing, we can help bring economies of scale to the development and
production of Rob's products."
Founded in 2000, Dynon Avionics is the leading manufacturer of avionics for
Experimental and Light Sport Aircraft. Continuing a tradition started with
the introduction of their first Electronic Flight Information System "glass
panel", Dynon is committed to developing innovative and high-quality
avionics integrating the newest technology as it develops at affordable
prices for all pilots.
For more information about Dynon products please contact Dynon at
425.402.0433 or info@DynonAvionics.com. Visit Dynon Avionics on the Web at
www.DynonAvionics.com <http://www.dynonavionics.com/> .
For more information about Advanced Flight Systems products please contact
AFS at 503.263.0037 or info@Advanced-Flight-Systems.com.
****************************************************************************
*******************************
Acquisition FAQ
Q: Why is Dynon acquiring AFS?
A: To use Dynon's financial strength to keep AFS strong and vibrant in the
experimental community.
Q: Are AFS and Dynon merging?
A: No. Both AFS and Dynon will continue to operate as separate companies.
Q: Will AFS be moving or consolidating with Dynon?
A: No. There are no changes in location in either company. AFS is located in
Canby, Oregon, and Dynon is located in Woodinville, Washington.
Q: Will AFS be winding down their company over time?
A: No. In fact, this acquisition is explicitly designed to keep AFS products
thriving in the market.
Q: Will Dynon technical support be supporting AFS products, or vice versa?
A: No. Each company continues with their own tech support staff. Dynon
staff will not provide technical support on AFS products, and vice-versa.
Q: Are there going to be changes in personnel, especially at AFS? Is Rob
leaving?
A: No. There are no changes in personnel. Rob will continue to run AFS and
will be busier than ever.
Q: Will Dynon Sales and Marketing be promoting AFS products, or vice versa?
A: No. Each company will continue their own sales and marketing programs.
Q: Will Dynon manufacture AFS products?
A: Dynon intends to help manufacture some of the AFS products, although the
details of which products and when are not yet decided. Regardless, AFS
products will still be theirs, and their delivery, support, and warranty
policies will continue as before.
Q: Will AFS and Dynon products be combined?
A: No. AFS will continue their product line and Dynon will continue theirs
for the foreseeable future. The two companies will be sharing their
respective technology expertise, so that both product lines continue to
improve. AFS will continue to source some product modules from Dynon, like
the transponder, with more to follow.
Q: What about the previously-announced collaboration between AFS and
TruTrak?
A: AFS will continue to support TruTrak autopilots. However, a joint ATS
venture will not be moving forward.
Q: Which product should I buy, AFS or Dynon?
A: What is important is you still have a choice of the two best product
lines on the market, from companies that are truly dedicated to the
experimental market.
Cheers,
Stein
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
Website address?
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
> YMMV when you come to a sudden, unplanned stop. Yes, we sell tie downs ($
49, available on our web site), but mostly because I'm pretty fanatic about s
ecuring stuff in the cabin and the baggage compartment. Early in my career I
worked for a company that lost a customer after he survived the crash but n
ot the baggage.
>
> I have tiedowns and a cargo net. Belt and suspenders, literally.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection and hav
e
>> not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I did not n
eed
>> them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
>> (Building)
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
>> To: RV-10 Matronics
>> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
>>
>> <dfritz@bpgsim.com>
>>
>> Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dave Fritzsche
>> 40813
>> Puyallup, WA
>> Fuselage
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Third item down . . . http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html
Tim
On 7/22/2013 5:45 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
> Website address?
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Dave Saylor
> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> <mailto:dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> YMMV when you come to a sudden, unplanned stop. Yes, we sell tie
>> downs ($49, available on our web site), but mostly because I'm pretty
>> fanatic about securing stuff in the cabin and the baggage
>> compartment. Early in my career I worked for a company that lost a
>> customer after he survived the crash but not the baggage.
>>
>> I have tiedowns and a cargo net. Belt and suspenders, literally.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> 831-750-0284 CL
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com
>> <mailto:rene@felker.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:rene@felker.com>>
>>
>> I did and removed them two years ago for the condition inspection
>> and have
>> not put them back in. After flying two hundred hours I found I
>> did not need
>> them. I do not have things flying up from the back........YMMV
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080 <tel:801-721-6080>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Fritzsche
>> (Building)
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:23 PM
>> To: RV-10 Matronics
>> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
>>
>> <dfritz@bpgsim.com <mailto:dfritz@bpgsim.com>>
>>
>> Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dave Fritzsche
>> 40813
>> Puyallup, WA
>> Fuselage
>>
>>
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>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Aircrafters -
Owner/Manager -
(831) 722-9141 -
www.aircraftersLLC.com
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Put them in and never used them,,,, so I removed them.=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dave Fritzsche (Building
) <dfritz@bpgsim.com>=0ATo: RV-10 Matronics <rv10-list@matronics.com> =0ASe
nt: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:22 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
itz@bpgsim.com>=0A=0AAre many people putting baggage tie downs in the bagga
ge compartment?=0A=0ADave=0A=0A-- =0A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0ADave Fritzsche=0A4081
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 RV-10 Airventure Group Camping |
Just a quick post to let everybody know that we're on-site, sites are staked out
and the group is located along 54th St, just south of Lindbergh. The tags will
be picked up in the morning to make it official. I'll send more details to
those camping with us tomorrow.
It's raining now but the long term forecast looks spectacular! It also appears
to be more crowded than in past years and we haven't yet been able to secure
any picnic tables...
Feel free to swing by even if not camping with us. As always, we'll have the coffee
going in the mornings!
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405128#405128
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| Subject: | AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This
will be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially
starts. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to
get my car.
Thanks,
Tim
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Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Fast When They Don't Have To Be |
Just an FYI.... in Texas the tax on planes is the same as the income tax...
.. ZERO=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Bob T
urner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monda
y, July 22, 2013 3:23 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Fast When They Don't Hav
lum.rpi.edu>=0A=0AJust remember that it will need to be renewed 3 years fro
m now (July) not 3 years from when you get your A/W certificate.=0A=0AHere
in CA tax is assessed on property you own on Jan first. I was careful to no
t send in the application until after that. Nevertheless, I got a letter fr
om the tax assessor asking, "How long have you owned this aircraft?". I rep
lied that as I had no A/W certificate, that I did not yet own any airplane,
just airplane parts. That seemed to work, they left me alone until the nex
t year.=0A=0AThey are still appraising it for more than it is insured for,
but that's another story.=0A=0A--------=0ABob Turner=0ARV-10 QB=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
I built mine from the hinge material used to secure the cowls, basically
made a few holes and pop riveted them in, cost about.. $1 dollar in pop
rivets and spare parts. I use it on every flight for holding down a bin with
extra oil, plexi cleaner, tie down material, chocks (made from spare angle),
etc.. I have a rug in the area as well, cut around the hinges.. I used a tie
down net from my motorcycle, but can be easily acquired from the car dept.
in Walmart.
Put the tie down in, they dont take much space and it's there if you need
it for whatever that may be. If you decide not to do so, just dont practice
negative G's with anything back there. Keep in mind I do not use the tie
down for large luggage any for smaller pieces I want secured.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Tie Downs
<dfritz@bpgsim.com>
Are many people putting baggage tie downs in the baggage compartment?
Dave
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
Tim,
The tram does not go to the FBO, call the "Welcom Wagon" they can take you
where ever. I don't have their number but they are right next to the sign
in area at the flight line.
Dick Sipp
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Lewis
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AirVenture trams run on Sunday?
I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This
will be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially
starts. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to
get my car.
Thanks,
Tim
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Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
They've got busses that go that way. Just go in and work your way to the bu
s pickup and ride it all the way around 9/27. It shouldn't be too bad at al
l from the RV parking area.
Tim
On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Tim Lewis <TimRVator@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This wil
l be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially starts
. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to get my ca
r.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
>
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| Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
Tim,
The trams don't run over to the FBO but I can probably help. I sent you an
email offline with my contact info.
Bob
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Tim Lewis <TimRVator@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This
> will be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially
> starts. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to
> get my car.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
Red Warbird tram to North Forty Yellow school bus over to Basket.
John
On Jul 22, 2013 7:30 PM, "Tim Lewis" <TimRVator@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This
> will be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially
> starts. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to
> get my car.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
Yup. I said busses. I'm not sure the welcome wagon would go over there....they
would go to home bullseye HQ and to Scholler though. The trams for anywhere
internal. So no matter where you want to go there's a way.
On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:07 PM, "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> The tram does not go to the FBO, call the "Welcom Wagon" they can take you where
ever. I don't have their number but they are right next to the sign in area
at the flight line.
>
> Dick Sipp
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Lewis
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: AirVenture trams run on Sunday?
>
>
> I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This
> will be my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially
> starts. I'll need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to
> get my car.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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