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1. 02:18 AM - Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? (Richard McBride)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (hotwheels)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (hotwheels)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Linn Walters)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Carlos Trigo)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Tim Farrell)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Linn Walters)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Carlos Trigo)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (tsts4)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Bob Leffler)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll (Linn Walters)
12. 11:23 AM - OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout (Ed Kranz)
13. 12:13 PM - Re: OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout (Bob Condrey)
14. 07:41 PM - RV10 CFI (Tom Ganster)
15. 08:28 PM - Re: OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout (AirMike)
16. 08:40 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (AirMike)
17. 09:05 PM - Re: Baggage Tie Downs (Bob Turner)
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Subject: | Re: AirVenture trams run on Sunday? |
Tim,
Ask for a ride at homebuilt registration. We get a ride in their open air minivan
over to Basler every year to get our car. Donate a couple of bucks for operational
expenses.
Rick McBride
On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Tim Lewis <TimRVator@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm soliciting list insight into tram availability Sunday at OSH. This will be
my first time arriving at OSH the day before the show officially starts. I'll
need to get from homebuilt parking over to the FBO area to get my car.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 1104 hrs - sold
> RV-10 N31TD -- 400 hrs
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Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
I installed baggage tie downs both in the baggage compartment and behind the copilot seat. I use 'em... Very handy to secure sandbags at the moment. It would seem counter intuitive to not secure baggage and/or loose items. These were easy to install... http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html
Cheers,
Jay
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick (a pain)
and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring inside or
outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the door, all you
see is the panel and outside.
I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and out several
times.
Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to allow
for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made instead of
a hydraulic press.
Cheers,
Jay
433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
Those look nice but I don't see any added utility to the D-ring type
from the hardware store. What am I missing???
Linn ..... installing FAB
On 7/23/2013 10:17 AM, hotwheels wrote:
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> I installed baggage tie downs both in the baggage compartment and behind the copilot seat. I use 'em... Very handy to secure sandbags at the moment. It would seem counter intuitive to not secure baggage and/or loose items. These were easy to install... http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.html
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> Jay
> 433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
Those of you that used DB15 and DB 25 connectors and ran the wires inside
the stick, I suppose that you are not able to pull the grips off without
unsoldering the DB connectors, because they don't fit through the stick,
right?
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de hotwheels
Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 15:23
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick (a
pain) and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring
inside or outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the
door, all you see is the panel and outside.
I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and
out several times.
Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to
allow for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made
instead of a hydraulic press.
Cheers,
Jay
433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
I don't know how much the D-rings weigh, but I bet these are much lighter. They
are made from extruded aluminum hinge. Plus they have a little lip so they are
easy flip up with your finger.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> Those look nice but I don't see any added utility to the D-ring type from the
hardware store. What am I missing???
> Linn ..... installing FAB
>
> On 7/23/2013 10:17 AM, hotwheels wrote:
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>> Cheers,
>> Jay
>> 433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
There's no way to get the solder-cup connectors through the stick socket
without really weakening the socket. Just drill a hole the size you
need for the number of wires. I have one stick with the connector on to
do testing. I'll have to pull the wires from the connector and feed them
through the hole and re-insert them back into the housing .... very
carefully!!!!
I'm a NASA certified solderer and have good tools but I HATE solder cup
DB connectors. I changed out all my solder cup connectors for crimp-on
pins.
I had to pull a lot of wires loose from my DB connectors because I can't
see or can't count!!!! ;-)
Using the crimp pins also helps when you want to add a wire to a
connector that's buried down in the innards where you can't solder well.
You can get connectors, shells, pins, crimper and removal tool at
http://steinair.com/. No, I don't get any discount!!!
If you're replacing solder cups with crimps you can use the shells you
have. I used DB connectors for all the low current cabling and Molex
for the high current ones. Molex for the same reasons ... removeable
and crimp. I have ratcheting crimp tools, one for lugs one for DB pins
and one for molex pins. Pricey, but well worth it to make good
air-tight connections. You can't go wrong using the proper tools.
Linn
On 7/23/2013 11:39 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Those of you that used DB15 and DB 25 connectors and ran the wires inside
> the stick, I suppose that you are not able to pull the grips off without
> unsoldering the DB connectors, because they don't fit through the stick,
> right?
>
> Carlos
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de hotwheels
> Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 15:23
> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
>
>
> I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick (a
> pain) and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring
> inside or outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the
> door, all you see is the panel and outside.
>
> I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and
> out several times.
>
> Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to
> allow for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made
> instead of a hydraulic press.
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
> 433RV - Phase 1
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405158#405158
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
Ok, Linn, I was not only referring to unsoldering but also to "uncrimping".
What I meant is that, after you ran the fat blue cable inside the stick, and
you install the DB connector, you will never be able to pull off the
Infinity (or other) grip without cutting the wires.
Carlos
P.S. - if you would be interested in crossing the big pond and come to
Europe, I could use a NASA certified solderer! I hate installing DB
connectors inside the fuselage.
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 17:18
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
There's no way to get the solder-cup connectors through the stick socket
without really weakening the socket. Just drill a hole the size you need
for the number of wires. I have one stick with the connector on to do
testing. I'll have to pull the wires from the connector and feed them
through the hole and re-insert them back into the housing .... very
carefully!!!!
I'm a NASA certified solderer and have good tools but I HATE solder cup DB
connectors. I changed out all my solder cup connectors for crimp-on pins.
I had to pull a lot of wires loose from my DB connectors because I can't see
or can't count!!!! ;-)
Using the crimp pins also helps when you want to add a wire to a connector
that's buried down in the innards where you can't solder well.
You can get connectors, shells, pins, crimper and removal tool at
http://steinair.com/. No, I don't get any discount!!!
If you're replacing solder cups with crimps you can use the shells you have.
I used DB connectors for all the low current cabling and Molex for the high
current ones. Molex for the same reasons ... removeable and crimp. I have
ratcheting crimp tools, one for lugs one for DB pins and one for molex pins.
Pricey, but well worth it to make good air-tight connections. You can't go
wrong using the proper tools.
Linn
On 7/23/2013 11:39 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
<mailto:trigo@mail.telepac.pt> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Those of you that used DB15 and DB 25 connectors and ran the wires inside
the stick, I suppose that you are not able to pull the grips off without
unsoldering the DB connectors, because they don't fit through the stick,
right?
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de hotwheels
Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 15:23
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
<mailto:jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick (a
pain) and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring
inside or outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the
door, all you see is the panel and outside.
I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and
out several times.
Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to
allow for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made
instead of a hydraulic press.
Cheers,
Jay
433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
With crimped pins I don't you'd need to cut the wires. After you extracted the
pins from the D-sub connector, the diameter of the mass of freed pins would be
close to that of the "blue" wire, or at least close enough to allow you to pull
it all back up through the stick.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, Purple Pilots, VAF, and RVairspace
RV-10 N728TT
Empacone, Wings, Fuse, Finishing
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
You don't "un-crimp", just simply pull the pins out of the connector.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Ok, Linn, I was not only referring to unsoldering but also to =9Cuncri
mping=9D.
What I meant is that, after you ran the fat blue cable inside the stick, and
you install the DB connector, you will never be able to pull off the Infini
ty (or other) grip without cutting the wires
Carlos
P.S. =93 if you would be interested in crossing the big pond and come t
o Europe, I could use a NASA certified solderer! I hate installing DB connec
tors inside the fuselage
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matr
onics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 17:18
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
There's no way to get the solder-cup connectors through the stick socket wit
hout really weakening the socket. Just drill a hole the size you need for t
he number of wires. I have one stick with the connector on to do testing. I
'll have to pull the wires from the connector and feed them through the hole
and re-insert them back into the housing .... very carefully!!!!
I'm a NASA certified solderer and have good tools but I HATE solder cup DB c
onnectors. I changed out all my solder cup connectors for crimp-on pins.
I had to pull a lot of wires loose from my DB connectors because I can't see
or can't count!!!! ;-)
Using the crimp pins also helps when you want to add a wire to a connector t
hat's buried down in the innards where you can't solder well.
You can get connectors, shells, pins, crimper and removal tool at http://ste
inair.com/. No, I don't get any discount!!!
If you're replacing solder cups with crimps you can use the shells you have.
I used DB connectors for all the low current cabling and Molex for the hig
h current ones. Molex for the same reasons ... removeable and crimp. I hav
e ratcheting crimp tools, one for lugs one for DB pins and one for molex pin
s. Pricey, but well worth it to make good air-tight connections. You can't
go wrong using the proper tools.
Linn
On 7/23/2013 11:39 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
Those of you that used DB15 and DB 25 connectors and ran the wires inside
the stick, I suppose that you are not able to pull the grips off without
unsoldering the DB connectors, because they don't fit through the stick,
right?
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de hotwheels
Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 15:23
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick (a
pain) and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring
inside or outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the
door, all you see is the panel and outside.
I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and
out several times.
Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to
allow for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made
instead of a hydraulic press.
Cheers,
Jay
433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll |
The crimp DB pins come out of the shell using the removal tool. If you
'stagger' the pins and tape them down so they're not right next to each
other they'll fit through a hole better. I thought I drilled a 1/4"
hole but it may be a 5/16." I have 24 wires (infinity) that fit through
the hole I drilled. You can tie all the 'common' wires together and
only run 1 common wire through the hole.
Linn
On 7/23/2013 12:35 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Ok, Linn, I was not only referring to unsoldering but also to
> "uncrimping".
>
> What I meant is that, after you ran the fat blue cable inside the
> stick, and you install the DB connector, you will never be able to
> pull off the Infinity (or other) grip without cutting the wires...
>
> Carlos
>
> P.S. -- if you would be interested in crossing the big pond and come
> to Europe, I could use a NASA certified solderer! I hateinstalling DB
> connectors inside the fuselage...
>
> *De:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *Em nome de *Linn Walters
> *Enviada:* 23 de julho de 2013 17:18
> *Para:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Assunto:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
>
> There's no way to get the solder-cup connectors through the stick
> socket without really weakening the socket. Just drill a hole the
> size you need for the number of wires. I have one stick with the
> connector on to do testing. I'll have to pull the wires from the
> connector and feed them through the hole and re-insert them back into
> the housing .... very carefully!!!!
>
> I'm a NASA certified solderer and have good tools but I HATE solder
> cup DB connectors. I changed out all my solder cup connectors for
> crimp-on pins.
>
> I had to pull a lot of wires loose from my DB connectors because I
> can't see or can't count!!!! ;-)
>
> Using the crimp pins also helps when you want to add a wire to a
> connector that's buried down in the innards where you can't solder well.
> You can get connectors, shells, pins, crimper and removal tool at
> http://steinair.com/. No, I don't get any discount!!!
>
> If you're replacing solder cups with crimps you can use the shells you
> have. I used DB connectors for all the low current cabling and Molex
> for the high current ones. Molex for the same reasons ... removeable
> and crimp. I have ratcheting crimp tools, one for lugs one for DB
> pins and one for molex pins. Pricey, but well worth it to make good
> air-tight connections. You can't go wrong using the proper tools.
> Linn
>
> On 7/23/2013 11:39 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Those of you that used DB15 and DB 25 connectors and ran the wires inside
>
> the stick, I suppose that you are not able to pull the grips off without
>
> unsoldering the DB connectors, because they don't fit through the stick,
>
> right?
>
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
>
> De:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de hotwheels
>
> Enviada: 23 de julho de 2013 15:23
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> Para:rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> Assunto: RV10-List: Re: Brain trust stick wiring poll
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>
> I have Tosten grips and like them a lot. I ran the wires inside the stick
(a
>
> pain) and then decided to use the Flightline stick covers. Does wiring
>
> inside or outside matter? Not much. Once you get in the plane and close the
>
> door, all you see is the panel and outside.
>
>
>
> I did wire in DB15 connectors and am glad I did so as they've been in and
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> out several times.
>
>
>
> Be advised that lots of folks (me included) have had to bend the sticks to
>
> allow for adequate fwd clearance. I used a mandrel that my ME buddy made
>
> instead of a hydraulic press.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jay
>
> 433RV - Phase 1
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Subject: | OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout |
After the success of the 2012 OSH potluck dinner, I've decided to put on
another cookout this year (maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment...)
This year, instead of dealing with the coordination and uncertainty of a
potluck style dinner, I'm thinking I'm just going to get the majority of
the food myself, and rely on the donation bucket. If people want to bring
some miscellaneous side dishes or desserts or beers, that's great too!
The location of the cookout is going to be the RV10 HQ on 54th Street just
south of Lindbergh (Oak Lane), in Camp Scholler.
As for the date and time, I'm thinking Wednesday, July 31st, starting
around 5:30-6, and going till 8. The night airshow/Terrafugia demo start at
8PM that same night.
I'd love to hear your feed back on whether this is a great/terrible idea.
Thoughts?
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Subject: | Re: OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout |
Great idea Ed, thanks for stepping up to the plate!
Bob
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Ed Kranz wrote:
> After the success of the 2012 OSH potluck dinner, I've decided to put on
> another cookout this year (maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment...)
>
> This year, instead of dealing with the coordination and uncertainty of a
> potluck style dinner, I'm thinking I'm just going to get the majority of
> the food myself, and rely on the donation bucket. If people want to bring
> some miscellaneous side dishes or desserts or beers, that's great too!
>
> The location of the cookout is going to be the RV10 HQ on 54th Street just
> south of Lindbergh (Oak Lane), in Camp Scholler.
>
> As for the date and time, I'm thinking Wednesday, July 31st, starting
> around 5:30-6, and going till 8. The night airshow/Terrafugia demo start at
> 8PM that same night.
>
>
> I'd love to hear your feed back on whether this is a great/terrible idea.
> Thoughts?
>
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>
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>
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Wondering if there will be any CFI RV10 owners able to do 1 Hr. of dual
while you are here at OSH? I am ready to take my completed 10 on it=92s
maiden flight and my insurer is requiring 1 hr. in make and model. I am
located at CLI 1 hr. north of OSH. You can reply to this email or
contact me directly at 920-213-9307.
Tom Ganster, 40778, awaiting my airworthiness inspection
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Subject: | Re: OSH13 RV10 Builder's Cookout |
Great idea. My wife and I would love to came. If we can bring something, let us
know. If you want to buy everything (a big job but probably the best way to go),
may I suggest that you prepare a tentative menu and then ask people to reserve
a place thru a simple email and then after ascertaining the cost, to sell
tickets for food and separate tickets for alcohol or beer. If you need tickets,
I have a new roll that I would be delighted to donate. :D
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See you OSH '13
Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
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Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
I have a very lightly finished plane 1720# and need about 40-50# in the aft baggage
area (removed for overnighters with baggage) when flying with one or two
folks up front. I use two "billets" of lead shot placed in a 2" ABS pipe. This
way the lead is isolated and clean. The two "billets" take up almost no space.
I secure them with lots of bungees and have tie-down eyes also that I got from
a trashed Cessna. The Cessna tie-downs are really neat and they are removable
- they screw into a #10 nut plate.
For the nay sayers on baggage tie downs...........Why wear a seat belt if the crap
in the back is going to bash your head and back in the event of a crash?
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See you OSH '13
Q/B - flying 3 yrs.
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Subject: | Re: Baggage Tie Downs |
Warning, thread drift...
Why not carry 5 or more gallons of water in collapsible plastic jugs? If you have
to fly somewhere solo to pick up a full load, it's easy to pour out the water;
not so great to pour out lead shot!
Btw , I do not consider 1720 lbs to be particularly light for a ten.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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