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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Insurance (Marcus Cooper)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Insurance (Tcwtech)
3. 05:47 AM - Fuel system revisited (Carlos Trigo)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: Insurance (Marcus Cooper)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Insurance (Thane States)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Fuel system revisited (Don McDonald)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Fuel system revisited (Carl Froehlich)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: Fuel system revisited (Tim Farrell)
9. 09:18 AM - Insurance (Dave Saylor)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Fuel system revisited (Robin Marks)
11. 10:54 PM - Re: Insurance (rv10flyer)
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Bob,
Actually it sounds like a very ingenious idea, unfortunately it
appears it's been looked into and a couple of other responses show some
of the downsides to it putting it together. Might be worth floating the
idea again though on the VAF forums. It would take a near 100% buy in
across the RVs to make it work which would be a severe challenge, but
the concept is great.
Thanks,
Marcus
do not archive
On Jul 26, 2013, at 9:54 PM, John Zazulka <jpiper623@gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus, and all of the rest of the RV Family,
I am just throwing this idea up in the air. I do not know the legality
or it is even posible. I am prospective Rv-10 builder looking at about a
year away from starting. The reason is the affordability of the
experimental aircraft. I am not sure of exactly how many RV are flying
or are in the process of getting build but I assume and I may be wrong
but there are quite a few. Many builders probably would like some sort
of insurance during the build process. I have been following your thread
about insurance rates. My question is can the RV family CREAT it's own
insurance company. Ex if there are 7000 flying RV and a rate that is
affordable to all say 1500.00 a year the net sum is 10,500,000.00
dollars per year. Research thru the community would have to find out how
many claims were filed and at what cost the total number of claims
equaled. Just food for thought. I am sure there is someone out there
with some sort of knowledge about insurance and legality. It just seems
like a lot of money goes to the insurance companies and they give
nothing back. Sorry I picked you Marcus but you have about the same
qualifications ( pilot hours and ratings). I am not part of vans
airforce yet. Thanks for listening and I would like to hear any replies
Thank again John Z
On Friday, July 26, 2013, Marcus Cooper wrote:
Thanks Bob, this is a good benchmark although it adds to my confusion.
I was quoted by a local broker who said US Specialty with 160k hull
coverage would be $2630. No accidents, 625 in the RV-10, 8500TT, ATP
and mostly very complex time, EAA and AOPA member, yet I would get to
pay an extra $352? Part of the smoke and mirrors of the insurance biz I
guess.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
A few months ago I went thru the insurance search when Britt stopped
covering aircraft. Last year I paid $1850 with 160k hull coverage.
Then when I had my new coverage quoted I was faced with quotes from 2278
thru 2585
So I called more agents and got more quotes. The apparent reality was
that my old rate was too low and no longer attainable anywhere. So I
stayed with my present agent and went with US specialities insurance at
the 2278 price.
Record: No claims ever. 600 hrs. Instrument rated.
Bob Newman
N541RV.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are normally either 100K per person (not desirable) or 100K per
passenger. Limits how much of your 1M coverage can go to one person.
Obviously 100K doesn't cover much in way of medical bills these days for
serious injury or burn. At least a 250K limit uses up most of your
coverage that a 100K wouldn't (unless you injured both pax and persons
on the ground).
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I haven't hear of that before, what type of sublimits would these
cover?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One factor will be whether you are asking for a 1M smooth policy or 1M
with sublimits of either 250K or 100K. The sublimits usually are 200-300
cheaper, but also provide less coverage.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> There was a thread about this time last year with two inputs of under
$1800 for coverage on their RV-10s, one with Falcon and another with
Williamsburg National. I just got my renewal charging $2325 for
$140,000 (about the same as last year with no deductible, 1M liability,
10K/person medical) with Falcon and tried another broker who couldn't do
any better. Just curious what folks are seeing this year. I max out
the experience category both in the RV-10 and overall with no losses and
the airplane is hangared so I'm dubious as to why the rates are $600
more.
>
> Any current rates and sources with similar coverage would be
appreciated,
> Marcus
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Marcus. Interestingly, when I started the quoting activity I got a high bi
d from US insurance. I then got more bids via another agent and US bid agai
n, by accident. They usually take themselves out if double quoted, but a sn
afu occurred and the re bid at the lower number. So I went into WTF mode c
ause I was already irritated. And basically got that the higher # was an err
or. So... You may want to push on your agent to dig into that.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bob, this is a good benchmark although it adds to my confusion. I w
as quoted by a local broker who said US Specialty with 160k hull coverage wo
uld be $2630. No accidents, 625 in the RV-10, 8500TT, ATP and mostly very c
omplex time, EAA and AOPA member, yet I would get to pay an extra $352? Par
t of the smoke and mirrors of the insurance biz I guess.
>
> Marcus
> do not archive
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> On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
>
> A few months ago I went thru the insurance search when Britt stopped cover
ing aircraft. Last year I paid $1850 with 160k hull coverage. Then when I
had my new coverage quoted I was faced with quotes from 2278 thru 2585
> So I called more agents and got more quotes. The apparent reality was th
at my old rate was too low and no longer attainable anywhere. So I stayed wi
th my present agent and went with US specialities insurance at the 2278 pric
e.
>
> Record: No claims ever. 600 hrs. Instrument rated.
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They are normally either 100K per person (not desirable) or 100K per pass
enger. Limits how much of your 1M coverage can go to one person. Obviously 1
00K doesn't cover much in way of medical bills these days for serious injury
or burn. At least a 250K limit uses up most of your coverage that a 100K wo
uldn't (unless you injured both pax and persons on the ground).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I haven't hear of that before, what type of sublimits would these cover?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> One factor will be whether you are asking for a 1M smooth policy or 1M w
ith sublimits of either 250K or 100K. The sublimits usually are 200-300 chea
per, but also provide less coverage.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote
:
>>>>
>>>> There was a thread about this time last year with two inputs of under $
1800 for coverage on their RV-10s, one with Falcon and another with Williams
burg National. I just got my renewal charging $2325 for $140,000 (about the
same as last year with no deductible, 1M liability, 10K/person medical) wit
h Falcon and tried another broker who couldn't do any better. Just curious w
hat folks are seeing this year. I max out the experience category both in t
he RV-10 and overall with no losses and the airplane is hangared so I'm dubi
ous as to why the rates are $600 more.
>>>>
>>>> Any current rates and sources with similar coverage would be appreciate
d,
>>>> Marcus
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| Subject: | Fuel system revisited |
Fellow RV-10 builders and aviators
Following some recent considerations about the fuel system to adopt in the
-10 I am building, I am now thinking in putting the "Red cube" flow meter in
the engine compartment, near the mechanical pump, and the filters in the
wings roots, leaving only the fuel pump "buried" in the tunnel.
What do you think about the "red cube" near the mechanical pump?
And what about putting the filters (2) in both wing roots? Do you recommend
putting filters or gascolators here?
Best regards
Carlos
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Will do, thanks!
On Jul 27, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
Marcus. Interestingly, when I started the quoting activity I got a
high bid from US insurance. I then got more bids via another agent and
US bid again, by accident. They usually take themselves out if double
quoted, but a snafu occurred and the re bid at the lower number. So I
went into WTF mode cause I was already irritated. And basically got that
the higher # was an error. So... You may want to push on your agent to
dig into that.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bob, this is a good benchmark although it adds to my confusion.
I was quoted by a local broker who said US Specialty with 160k hull
coverage would be $2630. No accidents, 625 in the RV-10, 8500TT, ATP
and mostly very complex time, EAA and AOPA member, yet I would get to
pay an extra $352? Part of the smoke and mirrors of the insurance biz I
guess.
>
> Marcus
> do not archive
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
>
> A few months ago I went thru the insurance search when Britt stopped
covering aircraft. Last year I paid $1850 with 160k hull coverage.
Then when I had my new coverage quoted I was faced with quotes from 2278
thru 2585
> So I called more agents and got more quotes. The apparent reality
was that my old rate was too low and no longer attainable anywhere. So I
stayed with my present agent and went with US specialities insurance at
the 2278 price.
>
> Record: No claims ever. 600 hrs. Instrument rated.
>
> Bob Newman
> N541RV.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They are normally either 100K per person (not desirable) or 100K per
passenger. Limits how much of your 1M coverage can go to one person.
Obviously 100K doesn't cover much in way of medical bills these days for
serious injury or burn. At least a 250K limit uses up most of your
coverage that a 100K wouldn't (unless you injured both pax and persons
on the ground).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> I haven't hear of that before, what type of sublimits would these
cover?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> One factor will be whether you are asking for a 1M smooth policy or
1M with sublimits of either 250K or 100K. The sublimits usually are
200-300 cheaper, but also provide less coverage.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>> There was a thread about this time last year with two inputs of under
$1800 for coverage on their RV-10s, one with Falcon and another with
Williamsburg National. I just got my renewal charging $2325 for
$140,000 (about the same as last year with no deductible, 1M liability,
10K/person medical) with Falcon and tried another broker who couldn't do
any better. Just curious what folks are seeing this year. I max out
the experience category both in the RV-10 and overall with no losses and
the airplane is hangared so I'm dubious as to why the rates are $600
more.
>>
>> Any current rates and sources with similar coverage would be
appreciated,
>> Marcus
>> do not archive
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One thing that we all can do is work to keep the Brokers honest.
Every year, but one, it seems the rates went up for the same coverage
policy. I got different answers every time for the increase. But when I
looked into the different insurance carriers, I found in two occasions,
two different Brokers were flat out not being honest with there quotes.
I ended up changing Brokers because of there dishonesty. They simply,
were not checking with all companies, even though they claim otherwise.
I always found the same policy for several hundred less than there
quote, and one time even cheaper than the previous year, after dropping
the Broker, and moving on. They all have there preferred companies and
most likely get a little something extra for using them. Just my 2
cents. always do your due diligence. Also, I was told that flying time
only goes so far. As with most insurance, the high time guys help carry
the lower time guys. You just don't get much of a brake for experience.
Thane
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cooper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance
Bob,
Actually it sounds like a very ingenious idea, unfortunately it
appears it's been looked into and a couple of other responses show some
of the downsides to it putting it together. Might be worth floating the
idea again though on the VAF forums. It would take a near 100% buy in
across the RVs to make it work which would be a severe challenge, but
the concept is great.
Thanks,
Marcus
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On Jul 26, 2013, at 9:54 PM, John Zazulka <jpiper623@gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus, and all of the rest of the RV Family,
I am just throwing this idea up in the air. I do not know the
legality or it is even posible. I am prospective Rv-10 builder looking
at about a year away from starting. The reason is the affordability of
the experimental aircraft. I am not sure of exactly how many RV are
flying or are in the process of getting build but I assume and I may be
wrong but there are quite a few. Many builders probably would like some
sort of insurance during the build process. I have been following your
thread about insurance rates. My question is can the RV family CREAT
it's own insurance company. Ex if there are 7000 flying RV and a rate
that is affordable to all say 1500.00 a year the net sum is
10,500,000.00 dollars per year. Research thru the community would have
to find out how many claims were filed and at what cost the total number
of claims equaled. Just food for thought. I am sure there is someone out
there with some sort of knowledge about insurance and legality. It just
seems like a lot of money goes to the insurance companies and they give
nothing back. Sorry I picked you Marcus but you have about the same
qualifications ( pilot hours and ratings). I am not part of vans
airforce yet. Thanks for listening and I would like to hear any replies
Thank again John Z
On Friday, July 26, 2013, Marcus Cooper wrote:
Thanks Bob, this is a good benchmark although it adds to my
confusion. I was quoted by a local broker who said US Specialty with
160k hull coverage would be $2630. No accidents, 625 in the RV-10,
8500TT, ATP and mostly very complex time, EAA and AOPA member, yet I
would get to pay an extra $352? Part of the smoke and mirrors of the
insurance biz I guess.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
A few months ago I went thru the insurance search when Britt stopped
covering aircraft. Last year I paid $1850 with 160k hull coverage.
Then when I had my new coverage quoted I was faced with quotes from 2278
thru 2585
So I called more agents and got more quotes. The apparent reality
was that my old rate was too low and no longer attainable anywhere. So I
stayed with my present agent and went with US specialities insurance at
the 2278 price.
Record: No claims ever. 600 hrs. Instrument rated.
Bob Newman
N541RV.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
wrote:
They are normally either 100K per person (not desirable) or 100K
per passenger. Limits how much of your 1M coverage can go to one person.
Obviously 100K doesn't cover much in way of medical bills these days for
serious injury or burn. At least a 250K limit uses up most of your
coverage that a 100K wouldn't (unless you injured both pax and persons
on the ground).
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I haven't hear of that before, what type of sublimits would
these cover?
Thanks,
Marcus
On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
wrote:
One factor will be whether you are asking for a 1M smooth policy
or 1M with sublimits of either 250K or 100K. The sublimits usually are
200-300 cheaper, but also provide less coverage.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Marcus Cooper
<cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
<cooprv7@yahoo.com>
There was a thread about this time last year with two inputs
of under $1800 for coverage on their RV-10s, one with Falcon and another
with Williamsburg National. I just got my renewal charging $2325 for
$140,000 (about the same as last year with no deductible, 1M liability,
10K/person medical) with Falcon and tried another broker who couldn't do
any better. Just curious what folks are seeing this year. I max out
the experience category both in the RV-10 and overall with no losses and
the airplane is hangared so I'm dubious as to why the rates are $600
more.
Any current rates and sources with similar coverage would be
appreciated,
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system revisited |
Filters in wings, yes....cube by mechanical, not so good....install it between
the servo and spider.
Don McDonald
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| Subject: | Fuel system revisited |
There are a lot of options. I have the filter, fuel pump and flow sender in
the tunnel per plans and have no issues. The fuel totalizer is always
within half a gallon when I fill up. That said, the most accurate place to
put the red cube is between the throttle body and the spider (I did that on
my 8A). So if you go away from plans you may as well put it in the best
spot. Do not however hard mount it to the engine. For the 8A I enclosed
the flow sender in a large fire sleeve. I figured this to be my back up
plan for the 10 if the red cube did not work in the tunnel.
I do not find it difficult to service the filter with it mounted in the
stock position in the tunnel. On annual you are taking the seats out and
tunnel cover off anyway - that's 90% of the effort to get to the fuel
filter.
Filers only - there is no value of installing a gascolator in a low wing
airplane other than the inherent filter element in the gascolator. Water
collects in a gascolator when it is mounted in the lowest spot of the fuel
system. With the aircraft parked water slowly gravity drains to that low
point. The gascolator provides no mechanical water separation function with
flowing fuel. For a low wing airplane you cannot mount the gascolator such
that the inlet is below the bottom of the fuel tank. The fuel tank sump is
the means to detect and remove water from the tank.
Carl
120 hours
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel system revisited
Fellow RV-10 builders and aviators
Following some recent considerations about the fuel system to adopt in the
-10 I am building, I am now thinking in putting the "Red cube" flow meter in
the engine compartment, near the mechanical pump, and the filters in the
wings roots, leaving only the fuel pump "buried" in the tunnel.
What do you think about the "red cube" near the mechanical pump?
And what about putting the filters (2) in both wing roots? Do you recommend
putting filters or gascolators here?
Best regards
Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system revisited |
I give a 3rd vote for the cube just before spider. Keep it away from pumps w
hen possible. They, sometimes, seem to be affected by the pulsations of the p
umps.
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On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:46 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> w
rote:
> There are a lot of options. I have the filter, fuel pump and flow sender i
n the tunnel per plans and have no issues. The fuel totalizer is always wit
hin half a gallon when I fill up. That said, the most accurate place to put
the red cube is between the throttle body and the spider (I did that on my 8
A). So if you go away from plans you may as well put it in the best spot. D
o not however hard mount it to the engine. For the 8A I enclosed the flow s
ender in a large fire sleeve. I figured this to be my back up plan for the 1
0 if the red cube did not work in the tunnel.
>
> I do not find it difficult to service the filter with it mounted in the st
ock position in the tunnel. On annual you are taking the seats out and tunn
el cover off anyway - that's 90% of the effort to get to the fuel filter.
>
> Filers only - there is no value of installing a gascolator in a low wing a
irplane other than the inherent filter element in the gascolator. Water col
lects in a gascolator when it is mounted in the lowest spot of the fuel syst
em. With the aircraft parked water slowly gravity drains to that low point.
The gascolator provides no mechanical water separation function with flowi
ng fuel. For a low wing airplane you cannot mount the gascolator such that t
he inlet is below the bottom of the fuel tank. The fuel tank sump is the me
ans to detect and remove water from the tank.
>
> Carl
> 120 hours
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:47 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel system revisited
>
> Fellow RV-10 builders and aviators
>
> Following some recent considerations about the fuel system to adopt in the
-10 I am building, I am now thinking in putting the =9CRed cube
=9D flow meter in the engine compartment, near the mechanical pump, and the f
ilters in the wings roots, leaving only the fuel pump =9Cburied=9D
in the tunnel.
>
> What do you think about the =9Cred cube=9D near the mechanical
pump?
>
> And what about putting the filters (2) in both wing roots? Do you recommen
d putting filters or gascolators here?
>
> Best regards
> Carlos
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Regarding self insurance:
If (IF) you could get 6000 RV owners all moving in the same direction,
that's 500 applications per month to collect, input, store, verify,
etc...geez, I hate just filling out my own once a year! Sounds like a LOT
of work, a lot of individuals to corral, checks to process, files to keep,
etc. Plus claims, accounts, IT--the list goes on. It'd be at least one
full time job. My broker has several long term and well-trained people on
staff. I just don't think it would be a simple, or even worthwhile,
proposition.
But--has anyone approached their broker about a group buy? Maybe we could
get 20 or 30 buyers to pull the trigger all at once. Of course the brokers
pocket some of the premium--that's how they make their living--but if a
group could make the broker's job a little easier some how, maybe they'd
lower their cut enough to make a difference.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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Don't forget that credit scores affect our insurance premiums too. Being debt free
at 38 does have some benefits.
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