---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/31/13: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Osh13 Builders Cookout (Ed Kranz) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: TD-300 (Don McDonald) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: TD-300 (Don McDonald) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: TD-300 (Marcus Cooper) 5. 06:46 AM - Re: TD-300 (rv10flyer) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: TD-300 (Kelly McMullen) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: Osh13 Builders Cookout (John Cox) 8. 08:27 AM - Re: TD-300 (bsponcil@belinblank.org) 9. 09:07 AM - Re: TD-300 (Bob Turner) 10. 09:08 AM - Re: TD-300 (Carl Froehlich) 11. 09:09 AM - Re: TD-300 (Kelly McMullen) 12. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: TD-300 (Kelly McMullen) 13. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: TD-300 (Jason Wodack) 14. 09:51 AM - Re: Osh13 Builders Cookout (Robin Marks) 15. 10:26 AM - Re: Osh13 Builders Cookout (Bob Leffler) 16. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: TD-300 (JimVillani) 17. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: TD-300 (Jason Wodack) 18. 01:13 PM - Re: TD-300 (Gordon) 19. 04:43 PM - Re: TD-300 (Nikolaos Napoli) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:52 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Osh13 Builders Cookout From: Ed Kranz Tonight is the night for the builders cookout in Camp Scholler. Make sure you sign up at http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=BXYH015 5 especially if your planning on bringing some food or drink to share. Hope to see you all there! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:44 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an is sue.... who has diesel at the airport.=0A =0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A From: Kelly McMullen =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics .com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: TD-3 00=0A =0A=0A=0ATwo reasons it won't work. "Only 230 hp", and weight is mor e than Cont IO-550, at least 50 lbs heavier than Lyc IO-540. W&B won't work with that much wt out front.=0AWhile the hp would be sufficient, especiall y if it was turbo-charged, you would need the wt to be equal to or less tha n Lyc O-540. You would also need someone to build an engine mount for it. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:50 AM, w rote:=0A=0AWalking around OSH I noticed Continental is supposedly starting production on a 240HP air cooled, direct drive diesel motor (TD-300 see att achment).- Seems a bit heavy but otherwise it appears to be a potential f it for the RV-10 airframe.- I'm wondering if anyone has considered this e ngine for their -10.=0A>=0A>=0A>-Brian=0A>Iowa City, IA=0A> =0A=0A=0A- ============= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:42 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 Right on Kelly..... as usual.... but for quite a while refueling would be a definite challenge.... who has diesel at the airport.=0A =0A=0A___________ _____________________=0A From: Kelly McMullen =0ATo: rv1 0-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300=0A =0A=0A=0ATwo reasons it won't work. "Only 230 hp", a nd weight is more than Cont IO-550, at least 50 lbs heavier than Lyc IO-540 . W&B won't work with that much wt out front.=0AWhile the hp would be suffi cient, especially if it was turbo-charged, you would need the wt to be equa l to or less than Lyc O-540. You would also need someone to build an engine mount for it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:50 AM, wrote:=0A=0AWalking around OSH I noticed Continental is suppos edly starting production on a 240HP air cooled, direct drive diesel motor ( TD-300 see attachment).- Seems a bit heavy but otherwise it appears to be a potential fit for the RV-10 airframe.- I'm wondering if anyone has con sidered this engine for their -10.=0A>=0A>=0A>-Brian=0A>Iowa City, IA=0A> ================= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 From: Marcus Cooper It runs on JetA, which for some will still be a snag, but the weight-power a nd install issues are huge. Probably wont be cheap either, but it's a start .. Marcus Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Don McDonald wrote : > Right on Kelly..... as usual.... but for quite a while refueling would be a definite challenge.... who has diesel at the airport. > > From: Kelly McMullen > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 > > Two reasons it won't work. "Only 230 hp", and weight is more than Cont IO- 550, at least 50 lbs heavier than Lyc IO-540. W&B won't work with that much w t out front. > While the hp would be sufficient, especially if it was turbo-charged, you w ould need the wt to be equal to or less than Lyc O-540. You would also need s omeone to build an engine mount for it. > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:50 AM, wrote: > Walking around OSH I noticed Continental is supposedly starting production on a 240HP air cooled, direct drive diesel motor (TD-300 see attachment). S eems a bit heavy but otherwise it appears to be a potential fit for the RV-1 0 airframe. I'm wondering if anyone has considered this engine for their -1 0. > > > -Brian > Iowa City, IA > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?s.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofoll ow">http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://www.matronics.com/contributi on" target="_blank" rel="no== > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 From: "rv10flyer" It was FAA certified in April 2013. No thanks, I won't support communist China if I have a choice. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405713#405713 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 From: Kelly McMullen At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft diesel engines are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat different additives, but is a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It could be a problem at airports that don't have any turbine powered customers, but a lot of crop dusters, King Airs, Caravans, TBM's etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airports. I don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting are likely to be the deal killers. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald wrote: > Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an > issue.... who has diesel at the airport. > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= > * > > > * > > * > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Osh13 Builders Cookout From: John Cox Signed Up, will bring CASH. Thanks! John Cox On Jul 31, 2013 7:26 AM, "Ed Kranz" wrote: > Tonight is the night for the builders cookout in Camp Scholler. > > Make sure you sign up at > http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=BXYH0155 especially if your > planning on bringing some food or drink to share. > > Hope to see you all there! > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:00 AM PST US From: bsponcil@belinblank.org Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 -I could bewrong but the dry weight of the lyc IO-540 is something like 440lbs which wouldmake the TD-300 20lbs heavier rather than 50.And by th e time you throw in the accessories I?m guessing thatdifference narrows a bit more.Thesemotors are flying in front of 182s so it doesn't seem like they could be THAT far out in terms of W&B.I would say the biggest hurdl e would befabricating a cowling.As someone elsesaid, at least it?s a star t. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft diesel engin es are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat different additives, b ut is a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It could be a problem at airports that don't have any turbine powered customers, but a lot of crop dusters , King Airs, Caravans, TBM's etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airports. I don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting are likely to be the deal killers. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald wrote: Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an issue.... who has diesel at the airport. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listtp://forums.ma tronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm -======================== ======================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 From: "Bob Turner" I see the power is very similar to an IO-540 at the same RPM. Anyone know why the rpm's are limited to such a low value? Too much spinning mass? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405721#405721 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:02 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: TD-300 The biggest hurdle is the price tag. With the lawyers controlling what we pay for aviation related components the price of any new engine will be governed by liability cost. Carl Still dreaming of 91/96UL wide distribution to drive down fuel cost From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bsponcil@belinblank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 I could be wrong but the dry weight of the lyc IO-540 is something like 440lbs which would make the TD-300 20lbs heavier rather than 50. And by the time you throw in the accessories I?m guessing that difference narrows a bit more. These motors are flying in front of 182s so it doesn't seem like they could be THAT far out in terms of W&B. I would say the biggest hurdle would be fabricating a cowling. As someone else said, at least it?s a start. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft diesel engines are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat different additives, but is a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It could be a problem at airports that don't have any turbine powered customers, but a lot of crop dusters, King Airs, Caravans, TBM's etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airports. I don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting are likely to be the deal killers. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald wrote: Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an issue.... who has diesel at the airport. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ce_href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List /forums.matronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:20 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 The Lycoming Operator's Manual puts the IO540-D4A5 engine dry wt as 402 lbs, so yes the wt difference is at least 40 or more lbs. Very significant. On 7/31/2013 8:26 AM, bsponcil@belinblank.org wrote: > > I could be wrong but the dry weight of the lyc IO-540 is something > like 440lbs which would make the TD-300 20lbs heavier rather than > 50.And by the time you throw in the accessories I?m guessing that > difference narrows a bit more.These motors are flying in front of 182s > so it doesn't seem like they could be THAT far out in terms of W&B.I > would say the biggest hurdle would be fabricating a cowling.As someone > else said, at least it?s a start. > > > -Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:11 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: TD-300 > > At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft > diesel engines are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat > different additives, but is a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It > could be a problem at airports that don't have any turbine powered > customers, but a lot of crop dusters, King Airs, Caravans, TBM's > etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airports. I > don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting > are likely to be the deal killers. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald > > > wrote: > > Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would > certainly be an issue.... who has diesel at the airport. > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= > > * > > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > * > > ce_href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > /forums.matronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:19 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 Diesels are "torque" producers at low rpm, unlike gas engines that tend to produce more power the higher rpm you can spin them. On 7/31/2013 9:07 AM, Bob Turner wrote: > > I see the power is very similar to an IO-540 at the same RPM. > Anyone know why the rpm's are limited to such a low value? Too much spinning mass? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405721#405721 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 From: Jason Wodack Most diesels are limited to a low RPM because of the stresses involved with compression ignition engine. Even most truck/equipment/industrial diesels redline below 2000RPM. On Jul 31, 2013 9:10 AM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > I see the power is very similar to an IO-540 at the same RPM. > Anyone know why the rpm's are limited to such a low value? Too much > spinning mass? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405721#405721 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:44 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Osh13 Builders Cookout SSB3aXNoIHdlIGhhZCBhIHdlYmNhbSAmIGRpc3BsYXkgdGhlcmUgc28gdGhvc2UgdGhhdCBjb3Vs ZCBub3QgbWFrZSBPU0ggY291bGQgYXR0ZW5kIHRoZSBjb29rb3V0IHZpcnR1YWxseS4NCg0KSGF2 ZSBhIGdyZWF0IHRpbWUsDQpSb2Jpbg0KRG8gTm90IEFyY2hpdmUNCg0KRnJvbTogb3duZXItcnYx MC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZl ckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tXSBPbiBCZWhhbGYgT2YgRWQgS3JhbnoNClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwg SnVseSAzMSwgMjAxMyA1OjIyIEFNDQpUbzogcnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NClN1Ympl Y3Q6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogT3NoMTMgQnVpbGRlcnMgQ29va291dA0KDQpUb25pZ2h0IGlzIHRoZSBu aWdodCBmb3IgdGhlIGJ1aWxkZXJzIGNvb2tvdXQgaW4gQ2FtcCBTY2hvbGxlci4NCg0KTWFrZSBz dXJlIHlvdSBzaWduIHVwIGF0IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucGVyZmVjdHBvdGx1Y2suY29tL21lYWxzLnBo cD90PUJYWUgwMTU1IGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgaWYgeW91ciBwbGFubmluZyBvbiBicmluZ2luZyBzb21l IGZvb2Qgb3IgZHJpbmsgdG8gc2hhcmUuDQoNCg0KSG9wZSB0byBzZWUgeW91IGFsbCB0aGVyZSEN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgUlYxMC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZv cnVtIC0NCg0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRv IGJyb3dzZQ0KDQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1 YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwNCg0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dz ZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KDQpfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOg0KDQpf LT0NCg0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UlYxMC1M aXN0DQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIg Rk9SVU1TIC0NCg0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhl IFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3Mu Y29tDQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlv biBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtDQoNCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQh DQoNCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBB ZG1pbi4NCg0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24N Cg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT0NCg0KDQoNCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQpObyB2aXJ1 cyBmb3VuZCBpbiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UuDQpDaGVja2VkIGJ5IEFWRyAtIHd3dy5hdmcuY29tPGh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuYXZnLmNvbT4NClZlcnNpb246IDIwMTMuMC4zMzkyIC8gVmlydXMgRGF0YWJhc2U6 IDMyMDkvNjUzNSAtIFJlbGVhc2UgRGF0ZTogMDcvMzAvMTMNCg= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Osh13 Builders Cookout From: Bob Leffler Technology clearly has had an impact on us. As many of you are aware, my so n is just about to graduate for the Euro NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training progr am at Sheppard AFB. Last week was drop night, in which future pilot gets as signed his next airframe. (I digress for a proud dad moment, brad was assig ned a F-16. ). The was an Italian contingent whose parents couldn't make it t o both drop night and graduation. There were volunteers carrying an iPad in each arm with a Skype session back to a parent in Italy. There were probabl y a half dozen iPads skyping in the room. Technology was able allow some p roud parents to participate in the festivities. So now we just need Ed to flip burgers with one hand and a gopro in the othe r. Of course that assumes that the camp wifi is up and had bandwidth to st ream Bi Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Robin Marks wrote: I wish we had a webcam & display there so those that could not make OSH coul d attend the cookout virtually. Have a great time, Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: Osh13 Builders Cookout Tonight is the night for the builders cookout in Camp Scholler. Make sure you sign up at http://www.perfectpotluck.com/meals.php?t=BXYH015 5 especially if your planning on bringing some food or drink to share. Hope to see you all there! ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== No virus found in this message. 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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wodack Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 Most diesels are limited to a low RPM because of the stresses involved with compression ignition engine. Even most truck/equipment/industrial diesels redline below 2000RPM. On Jul 31, 2013 9:10 AM, "Bob Turner" > wrote: > I see the power is very similar to an IO-540 at the same RPM. Anyone know why the rpm's are limited to such a low value? Too much spinning mass? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405721#405721 ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: TD-300 From: Jason Wodack Sorry Jim, didn't specify. I was speaking of Heavy truck diesels, heavy equipment, and industrial engine applications. Jason On Jul 31, 2013 10:37 AM, "JimVillani" wrote: > My Cummings 6.7 redlines at 3,100 Dodge Pickup=85 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wodack > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:17 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: TD-300**** > > ** ** > > Most diesels are limited to a low RPM because of the stresses involved > with compression ignition engine. Even most truck/equipment/industrial > diesels redline below 2000RPM.**** > > On Jul 31, 2013 9:10 AM, "Bob Turner" wrote:**** > > > I see the power is very similar to an IO-540 at the same RPM. > Anyone know why the rpm's are limited to such a low value? Too much > spinning mass? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405721#405721 > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:52 PM PST US From: Gordon Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 Just for fun can any of you lucky enough to be "on location" find out what p rop it was certified with? At 17:1 compression ratio a direct drive engine w ill give a prop a real hard time, which is why Hartzell developed a special o ne for the SMA engine some years ago. Lots of carbon and $$$ to match, whic h helped neither W&B nor the pocketbook. Gordon Anderson 41015 Switzerland On 31.07.2013, at 16:11, Kelly McMullen wrote: > At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft diesel engine s are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat different additives, but i s a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It could be a problem at airports that d on't have any turbine powered customers, but a lot of crop dusters, King Air s, Caravans, TBM's etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airp orts. I don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting are likely to be the deal killers. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald wrote: > Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an i ssue.... who has diesel at the airport. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= > > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 From: Nikolaos Napoli A composite MT prop would make up for some of the weight difference and for t he rest you might need 5 or 10 lbs in the tail I remember attending a presentation by Deltahawk maybe 5 years ago. They cl aimed that the MT prop worked with their engine where as the standard metal p rops did not. No idea if thats true or not at this point. Nikolaos Napoli On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:26 AM, bsponcil@belinblank.org wrote: > > I could be wrong but the dry weight of the lyc IO-540 is something like 44 0lbs which would make the TD-300 20lbs heavier rather than 50. And by the t ime you throw in the accessories I?m guessing that difference narrows a bit m ore. These motors are flying in front of 182s so it doesn't seem like they c ould be THAT far out in terms of W&B. I would say the biggest hurdle would b e fabricating a cowling. As someone else said, at least it?s a start. > > -Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:11 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: TD-300 > > At the airport it is called Jet A and virtually all aircraft diesel engine s are designed to run on it. Yes, it has somewhat different additives, but i s a real close cousin to Diesel #2. It could be a problem at airports that d on't have any turbine powered customers, but a lot of crop dusters, King Air s, Caravans, TBM's etc are creating demand for jet fuel at many "small" airp orts. I don't see fueling as much of a limitation. Wt, Bal, and mounting are likely to be the deal killers. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Don McDonald wrote: >> Right on Kelly.... but for quite a while refueling would certainly be an i ssue.... who has diesel at the airport. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-="http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollo= >> >> >> >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > > ce_href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > /forums.matronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.