---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/13/13: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:29 AM - Webinar (Kelly McMullen) 2. 10:41 AM - Re: Webinar (PlaneAround LLC) 3. 03:00 PM - door sill finishing (Chris Hukill) 4. 05:01 PM - Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 5. 05:12 PM - Re: door sill finishing (Chris) 6. 05:18 PM - Re: door sill finishing (Chris) 7. 07:11 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Dave Saylor) 8. 07:21 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening () 9. 07:27 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Jesse Saint) 10. 08:00 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 11. 08:21 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:02 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: RV10-List: Webinar Annual Condition inspection by EAA tomorrow http://tinyurl.com/lt5tw3h ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:06 AM PST US From: "PlaneAround LLC" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Webinar Registered. Thanks Kelly! -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: Webinar Annual Condition inspection by EAA tomorrow http://tinyurl.com/lt5tw3h ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:50 PM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: door sill finishing I=99m looking for ideas on how to finish the lower door sill. The Vans demo plane has a piece of wood to provide a ledge to sit or step on when entering the cabin. Does anyone have some other ideas? Maybe pictures? Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:58 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Anyone have an idea how to repair this condition? What is the door made of,and how do I repair it? Robert Brunkenhoefer N661G KCRP Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:18 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: door sill finishing Teak with inlay. My wood working friend did it up for me. -Chris N919AR From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: door sill finishing I=99m looking for ideas on how to finish the lower door sill. The Vans demo plane has a piece of wood to provide a ledge to sit or step on when entering the cabin. Does anyone have some other ideas? Maybe pictures? Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:49 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: door sill finishing nother shot, Chris From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: door sill finishing I=99m looking for ideas on how to finish the lower door sill. The Vans demo plane has a piece of wood to provide a ledge to sit or step on when entering the cabin. Does anyone have some other ideas? Maybe pictures? Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:38 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening You're probably seeing the joint between the plastic window and the fiberglass door. The window is usually painted over the first 3/4" or so. Cracks in that area are very common. The best way to prevent or repair the issue is to remove the paint, then overlay a thin layer of fiberglass almost up to the edge of the window opening. That takes some bodywork and paint but on the doors it shouldn't be too big a deal. Worse is when the same thing happens around the rear windows and windshield. The repair is the same but depending on your paint scheme, the bodywork and paint may take more effort to make look right. But it's doable, and there probably isn't any rush to get it fixed. I doubt your window is in any danger of departing. If you see the window actually start to lift or move relative to the base material, then it's time to get it fixed. Hope that helps, Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: > > > > Anyone have an idea how to repair this condition? What is the door made > of,and how do I repair it? Robert Brunkenhoefer N661G KCRP > > Sent from my iPad > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:44 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening Hey Robert, Dave probably has the right answer, but a picture would help to be more specific. Did you attach a picture that I'm not seeing? Later, - Lew do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening Anyone have an idea how to repair this condition? What is the door made of,and how do I repair it? Robert Brunkenhoefer N661G KCRP ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening From: Jesse Saint I agree. It's mainly a cosmetic issue. It's a fairly big job to fix on a pai nted plane, so I'd recommend leaving it alone unless, as Dave mentioned, you notice it coming loose. The cause of the problem is that the different mate rials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have different expansion co efficients, so as they heat and cool, they change sizes differently and the s eam gets a crack. Same reason the Lycoming and continentals have big piston t o cylinder wall clearances and Rotax has 0.0-0.0004" clearance. Jesse Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > You're probably seeing the joint between the plastic window and the fiberg lass door. The window is usually painted over the first 3/4" or so. Cracks in that area are very common. > > The best way to prevent or repair the issue is to remove the paint, then o verlay a thin layer of fiberglass almost up to the edge of the window openin g. That takes some bodywork and paint but on the doors it shouldn't be too b ig a deal. > > Worse is when the same thing happens around the rear windows and windshiel d. The repair is the same but depending on your paint scheme, the bodywork a nd paint may take more effort to make look right. But it's doable, and ther e probably isn't any rush to get it fixed. I doubt your window is in any da nger of departing. If you see the window actually start to lift or move rel ative to the base material, then it's time to get it fixed. > > Hope that helps, > > > Dave Saylor > 831-750-0284 CL > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: m> >> >> Anyone have an idea how to repair this condition? What is the door made o f,and how do I repair it? Robert Brunkenhoefer N661G KCRP >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ========== >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> MS - >> k">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> e - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:43 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening It is as described by Jesse. Thanks. I know what to do now. Robert Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > I agree. It's mainly a cosmetic issue. It's a fairly big job to fix on a p ainted plane, so I'd recommend leaving it alone unless, as Dave mentioned, y ou notice it coming loose. The cause of the problem is that the different ma terials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have different expansion c oefficients, so as they heat and cool, they change sizes differently and the seam gets a crack. Same reason the Lycoming and continentals have big pisto n to cylinder wall clearances and Rotax has 0.0-0.0004" clearance. > > Jesse > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 13, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > >> You're probably seeing the joint between the plastic window and the fiber glass door. The window is usually painted over the first 3/4" or so. Crack s in that area are very common. >> >> The best way to prevent or repair the issue is to remove the paint, then o verlay a thin layer of fiberglass almost up to the edge of the window openin g. That takes some bodywork and paint but on the doors it shouldn't be too b ig a deal. >> >> Worse is when the same thing happens around the rear windows and windshie ld. The repair is the same but depending on your paint scheme, the bodywork and paint may take more effort to make look right. But it's doable, and th ere probably isn't any rush to get it fixed. I doubt your window is in any d anger of departing. If you see the window actually start to lift or move re lative to the base material, then it's time to get it fixed. >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> >> Dave Saylor >> 831-750-0284 CL >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: om> >>> >>> Anyone have an idea how to repair this condition? What is the door made o f,and how do I repair it? Robert Brunkenhoefer N661G KCRP >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> ========== >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> MS - >>> k">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> e - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:29 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening <<=8B different materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have different expansion coefficients =8B>>=8B oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler, primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks. Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as well, same issue. 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