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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Bill Watson)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: door sill finishing (Geoff Combs)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: door sill finishing (dhmoose)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Aaron)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Dave Saylor)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Dave Saylor)
7. 08:47 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Seano)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Seano)
9. 11:28 AM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Robin Marks)
10. 02:23 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Dave Saylor)
11. 05:13 PM - Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening (Aaron)
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
Dave, how has your window installation solution held up over the years?
Just curious.
I did the Van's standard with some light wt glass over the edges. You
can see the edges but no cracks in the paint yet... they're coming though.
Bill "just flying it" Watson
On 8/13/2013 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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> different materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have
> different expansion coefficients
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> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
> primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little
> oil canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows
> as well, same issue.
>
> Dave Saylor
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| Subject: | door sill finishing |
I used a carbon fiber angle piece to finish off the sill after the side
panel was put in place. Or you can just finish off the door sill and paint
it if you have no lower
side panel.
Geoff Combs
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: door sill finishing
I'm looking for ideas on how to finish the lower door sill. The Vans demo
plane has a piece of wood to provide a ledge to sit or step on when entering
the cabin. Does anyone have some other ideas? Maybe pictures?
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: door sill finishing |
Walnut wood finished with Mirror Coat. The walnut matches other walnut wood finishing
pieces and the stick grips. Fun side project!
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
I laid up layers of fiberglass when I built to avoid this issue and had no p
roblems for the first 300 hours. I then installed the aftermarket door latc
h that draws in the bottom of the door when you close it, and got cracks alm
ost immediately on both doors. I had the painter rework the fiberglass and r
epaint, and it cracked again in less than 5 hours. My hypothesis is the lat
ch flexes the door when it closes, causing the cracks. My solution will be d
ecals that match the paint scheme at the 4 corners around the windows.
Aaron
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> wrote:
> <<=8Bdifferent materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) h
ave different expansion coefficients =8B>>=8B
>
> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler, prim
er, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil cannin
g from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks. Lancair/Columbia/Cessn
a has an SB for the same issue on their windows as well, same issue.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
The only issue with my installation is that the SilPruf has gotten a little
"chalky" on the surface. It develops kind of a white powdery deposit that
kind of looks like oxidation. I can polish it with various Armor-All type
cleaners and it cleans up well. It's still very pliable and coherent. I'd
do it again, and I'd like to come up with a method for the windshield too.
Which might happen sooner rather than later since I've got a TON of little
stars in the front plastic.
For the time being I have the overlay on the aft edge of the windshield and
it's working fine. We're approaching 1300 hours and 6 years.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Dave, how has your window installation solution held up over the years?
> Just curious.
>
> I did the Van's standard with some light wt glass over the edges. You ca
n
> see the edges but no cracks in the paint yet... they're coming though.
>
> Bill "just flying it" Watson
>
> On 8/13/2013 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
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> <<=8B
> different materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have
> different expansion coefficients
> =8B>>=8B
>
>
> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
> primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil
> canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as
> well, same issue.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
Aaron,
Out of curiosity, can you tell how much overlap there was past the edge of
the window joint, both towards the inside and the outside? And did the
crack form on the window joint so that it cracked through the overlay, or
was it at the edge of the overlay?
I did something similar to your decal idea in that I have a gloss black
ring painted around all my windows.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Aaron <aarongleixner@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I laid up layers of fiberglass when I built to avoid this issue and had n
o
> problems for the first 300 hours. I then installed the aftermarket door
> latch that draws in the bottom of the door when you close it, and got
> cracks almost immediately on both doors. I had the painter rework the
> fiberglass and repaint, and it cracked again in less than 5 hours. My
> hypothesis is the latch flexes the door when it closes, causing the crack
s.
> My solution will be decals that match the paint scheme at the 4 corners
> around the windows.
>
> Aaron
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor <
> dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <<=8B
> different materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have
> different expansion coefficients
> =8B>>=8B
>
>
> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
> primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil
> canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as
> well, same issue.
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
Aaron,
The latch will probably flex the door if you have a really tight seal
and it is flexing the middle of the door. If your pins still drag a lot
even after the cam pulls the door in, the seal is probably too tight.
If you have the McMaster Carr seal you should have 1/4=9D reveal
between the inner door skin and the outer edge of the cabin lip. I put
a lot of fiberglass tape around my windows and the paint shop sanded
them all down too thin. My windows all cracked so I had the paint shop
fix it all. 400 hours later I notice the corner of the windshield
cracking but no cracks around the other windows. I wonder if the best
fix is to keep the gap around the windows unfilled and use tape or just
proseal around them.
From: Aaron
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening
I laid up layers of fiberglass when I built to avoid this issue and had
no problems for the first 300 hours. I then installed the aftermarket
door latch that draws in the bottom of the door when you close it, and
got cracks almost immediately on both doors. I had the painter rework
the fiberglass and repaint, and it cracked again in less than 5 hours.
My hypothesis is the latch flexes the door when it closes, causing the
cracks. My solution will be decals that match the paint scheme at the 4
corners around the windows.
Aaron
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
<<=8Bdifferent materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate
window) have different expansion coefficients =8B>>=8B
oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little
oil canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as
well, same issue.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
One more thought,
I heard someone else state the reason his window starting crazing is the
stress forced on the window due to holding it from expanding and
contracting with fiberglass.
From: Seano
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening
Aaron,
The latch will probably flex the door if you have a really tight seal
and it is flexing the middle of the door. If your pins still drag a lot
even after the cam pulls the door in, the seal is probably too tight.
If you have the McMaster Carr seal you should have 1/4=9D reveal
between the inner door skin and the outer edge of the cabin lip. I put
a lot of fiberglass tape around my windows and the paint shop sanded
them all down too thin. My windows all cracked so I had the paint shop
fix it all. 400 hours later I notice the corner of the windshield
cracking but no cracks around the other windows. I wonder if the best
fix is to keep the gap around the windows unfilled and use tape or just
proseal around them.
From: Aaron
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening
I laid up layers of fiberglass when I built to avoid this issue and had
no problems for the first 300 hours. I then installed the aftermarket
door latch that draws in the bottom of the door when you close it, and
got cracks almost immediately on both doors. I had the painter rework
the fiberglass and repaint, and it cracked again in less than 5 hours.
My hypothesis is the latch flexes the door when it closes, causing the
cracks. My solution will be decals that match the paint scheme at the 4
corners around the windows.
Aaron
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
<<=8Bdifferent materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate
window) have different expansion coefficients =8B>>=8B
oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little
oil canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as
well, same issue.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
Carbon might help if the problem is a structure that's too flexible. Then
again a thicker fiberglass cloth could solve that problem too, much cheaper
.
I don't know enough about why the overlay cracked to say how to fix it.
I'd be pretty surprised if it actually cracked through the overlay,
although that may be the case. More likely I'd think the edge of the
overlay lifted, which is a different problem altogether than a crack at the
window joint. Hopefully Aaron can shed some light on what exactly happened
there.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote
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> Dave. Would Carbon Fiber overlay in the critical corners be a better
> choice than fiberglass in these locations? ****
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> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler,
> primer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil
> canning from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks.
> Lancair/Columbia/Cessna has an SB for the same issue on their windows as
> well, same issue.****
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| Subject: | Re: Repair paint cracking around door window opening |
Give me a couple of days to get to the airport and take a look. I think the
seals are tight (Van's seals) the door is bending when the bottom gets pull
ed tight, and the areas around the windows have the least stiffness and bend
the most. I'll try to determine if the window or fiberglass are disbonding
beneath, but I suspect not. Its just flexing of the composite material.
Aaron
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Carbon might help if the problem is a structure that's too flexible. Then
again a thicker fiberglass cloth could solve that problem too, much cheaper
.
>
> I don't know enough about why the overlay cracked to say how to fix it. I
'd be pretty surprised if it actually cracked through the overlay, although t
hat may be the case. More likely I'd think the edge of the overlay lifted, w
hich is a different problem altogether than a crack at the window joint. Ho
pefully Aaron can shed some light on what exactly happened there.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
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> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrot
e:
>> Dave. Would Carbon Fiber overlay in the critical corners be a better choi
ce than fiberglass in these locations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin
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>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:20 PM
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>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Repair paint cracking around door window opening
>>
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>> <<=8B
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>> different materials (fiberglass door and polycarbonate window) have diffe
rent expansion coefficients
>>
>> =8B>>=8B
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>>
>> oh, it's much worse actually: glass, resin, window, weld-on, filler, pri
mer, paint...all doin' the mambo in close proximity. Add a little oil canni
ng from the window, it's now wonder the joint cracks. Lancair/Columbia/Cess
na has an SB for the same issue on their windows as well, same issue.
>>
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>> Dave Saylor
>> 831-750-0284 CL
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