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1. 02:12 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Rob Kermanj)
2. 06:20 AM - Flying a Cat (johngoodman)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Carl Froehlich)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: Flying a Cat (Lyle Peterson)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Roger Standley)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Flying a Cat (Dj Merrill)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Flying a Cat (dmaib@me.com)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Dj Merrill)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Don McDonald)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Miller John)
11. 09:10 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Don McDonald)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: Flying a Cat (Michael Orth)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Bill Watson)
14. 12:24 PM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Bob Turner)
15. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (John Cox)
16. 01:38 PM - Re: prop govenor (Jackm)
17. 01:52 PM - Re: life of the Odyssey (Bob Turner)
18. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (Carl Froehlich)
19. 11:51 PM - Re: Re: Flying a Cat (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Pascal,
Did they give you the correct charger make an model?
Do not archive
On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the
head engineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the =93correct=94
tricklecharger that the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum.
>
> From: DLM
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
>
> I have 2 680s running in parallel. they have started my 10 since
4/2008 (700+TT) and show no signs of failing to accept a charge or
cranking the engine. How long should these be expected to work? Will
they fail in a way that allows me to get back home to the hangar where I
have two new 680s waiting? I am off to the Reno Races soon.
>
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I'm getting ready to fly two cats from Georgia to New Jersey. Vets lean towards
1mg/lb of Benadryl to calm them down. Also suggested to stuff cotton in their
ears. Naturally, they are in small carriers.
I'm thinking that the carriers in the rear seats would be better than baggage compartment.
Comments?
John
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| Subject: | life of the Odyssey |
Years ago I pulled a four year old PC-625 out of my RV-8A as normal
preventative maintenance (replace one of the two batteries every two years).
It has been running just fine as my tractor battery for the last 6 years.
No trickle charger ever used.
I chose not to have any one battery more than four years old not as
insurance for engine start, but as insurance to have adequate amp/hr
capacity for loss of alternator, one of one or both of the master relays, or
associated common cabling between the alternator and batteries. I have
tested the endurance of the electrical system on just battery power and have
demonstrated full IFR capability (less lights/strobes/pitot heat) for more
than 2 hours, the design point I selected. I duplicated this power
distribution design (and a new battery every other year) in the RV-10 also
using PC-625 batteries.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
Pascal,
Did they give you the correct charger make an model?
Do not archive
On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the head
engineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the "correct" tricklecharger that
the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum.
From: DLM <mailto:dlm34077@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
I have 2 680s running in parallel. they have started my 10 since 4/2008
(700+TT) and show no signs of failing to accept a charge or cranking the
engine. How long should these be expected to work? Will they fail in a way
that allows me to get back home to the hangar where I have two new 680s
waiting? I am off to the Reno Races soon.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Cat |
I think that's a lot of Benadryl, but I'm not a doctor and I don't play
one on TV. How do they ride in the car? The plane is louder. Will
someone be with to talk to the cats, calm them, reassure them? Cats do
respond to a calm human voice. They also respond to an angry human
voice but in a different way.
I'm sure cotton in their ears would drive them crazy. It wouldn't be
there long. They don't tolerate objects in their ears well at all.
Humans don't either but we know why we have ear plugs in place and
tolerate them, sort of. If you place the cotton deep in their ears you
risk injuring the ear.
Some veterinarians, and human doctors too, don't consider the instincts
of the patient when they make suggestions.
Just my thoughts and worth every bit you paid for them.
--
Lyle Peterson, EAA, PGR, AOPA, AAE,
MBS, AMA, MSCE, EAA Chapter 237
On 9/10/2013 8:20 AM, johngoodman wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to fly two cats from Georgia to New Jersey. Vets lean towards
1mg/lb of Benadryl to calm them down. Also suggested to stuff cotton in their
ears. Naturally, they are in small carriers.
> I'm thinking that the carriers in the rear seats would be better than baggage
compartment. Comments?
>
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408333#408333
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| Subject: | life of the Odyssey |
Ditto Carl=2C I pull my Concordes out every four years and into my lawn tra
ctors. They work just great=2C much better than the spec tractor battery!
Roger
N291RV
From: carl.froehlich@verizon.net
Subject: RE: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
Years ago I pulled a four year old PC-625 out of my RV-8A as normal prevent
ative maintenance (replace one of the two batteries every two years). It h
as been running just fine as my tractor battery for the last 6 years. No t
rickle charger ever used. I chose not to have any one battery more than fou
r years old not as insurance for engine start=2C but as insurance to have a
dequate amp/hr capacity for loss of alternator=2C one of one or both of the
master relays=2C or associated common cabling between the alternator and b
atteries. I have tested the endurance of the electrical system on just bat
tery power and have demonstrated full IFR capability (less lights/strobes/p
itot heat) for more than 2 hours=2C the design point I selected. I duplica
ted this power distribution design (and a new battery every other year) in
the RV-10 also using PC-625 batteries. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ro
b Kermanj
Sent: Tuesday=2C September 10=2C 2013 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey Pascal=2C Did they give you the
correct charger make an model? Do not archive On Sep 9=2C 2013=2C at 11:0
5 PM=2C Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the head eng
ineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the =93correct=94 tricklecharger tha
t the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum. From: DLM Sent: Mond
ay=2C September 09=2C 2013 7:06 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10
-List: life of the Odyssey I have 2 680s running in parallel. they have sta
rted my 10 since 4/2008 (700+TT) and show no signs of failing to accept a c
harge or cranking the engine. How long should these be expected to work? Wi
ll they fail in a way that allows me to get back home to the hangar where I
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Cat |
On 9/10/2013 9:20 AM, johngoodman wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to fly two cats from Georgia to New Jersey. Vets lean towards
1mg/lb of Benadryl to calm them down. Also suggested to stuff cotton in their
ears. Naturally, they are in small carriers.
> I'm thinking that the carriers in the rear seats would be better than baggage
compartment. Comments?
>
How well do they ride in the car? I used to take my cat flying
with me. He would curl up in the co-pilot seat and sleep most of the
trip (and no drugs were involved... :-) ).
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Cat |
We've flown cats several times over the years. Our own cats and Pilots N Paws rescues.
They do just fine in a carrier with no need for medication. Most of them
go to sleep after airborne. I have had them in the back seat of our old Bonanza
and in the back seat and luggage area of the -10. The -10 luggage area can
get pretty chilly on long flights in cool or cold air and that is my only concern
about the luggage area.
I definitely would not try to stuff cotton or anything else in their ears! [Evil
or Very Mad]
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
On 9/9/2013 11:05 PM, Pascal wrote:
> I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the
> head engineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the correct
> tricklecharger that the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum.
>
That makes no sense to me. Did he also say you had to use a
"special" alternator to use these batteries in an airplane?
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
I also have 2 680's, and I also agree with Pascal.... putting it on a batte
ry minder every month or so, or when not flying for a period, also helps.
- Flying since 6-09 and have had no issues.... that being said, I bought
one new 680 which I will probably install soon so that I will end up with o
ne new and one older.... with the idea of replacing one about every 5 years
. =0A=0ADon Mc=0A=0AVetterman flyin was great.=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: DLM <dlm34077@cox.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Monday, September 9, 2013 9:06 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: life of
the Odyssey=0A =0A=0A=0AI have 2 680s running in =0Aparallel. they have st
arted my 10 since 4/2008 (700+TT) and show no signs of =0Afailing to accept
a charge or cranking the engine. How long should these be =0Aexpected to w
ork? Will they fail in a way that allows me to get back home to the =0Ahang
ar where I have two new 680s waiting? I am off to the Reno Races =0Asoon.
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
I concur with his assessment.
I also have dual 680s and both are on a trickle charger designed for
aircraft gel cell batteries by Battery Minder. I pulled my original
ones at 6 years, just because, and use them in the hangar for misc power
requirements. Both are still running sound and solid.
grumpy
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the
head engineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the =93correct=94
tricklecharger that the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum.
>
> From: DLM
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
>
> I have 2 680s running in parallel. they have started my 10 since
4/2008 (700+TT) and show no signs of failing to accept a charge or
cranking the engine. How long should these be expected to work? Will
they fail in a way that allows me to get back home to the hangar where I
have two new 680s waiting? I am off to the Reno Races soon.
>
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
That's because there is a difference between a battery tender and a battery
minder.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dj Merrill
<deej@deej.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September
10, 2013 10:54 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey=0A =0A=0A
=0AOn 9/9/2013 11:05 PM, Pascal wrote:=0A=0AI was at Aircraft Spruce custom
er day last year and spoke with the head engineer at Odyssey. He told me if
I used the =9Ccorrect=9D tricklecharger that the battery would
last a good 10 years as a minimum.=0A>=0A=0A=C2-=C2-=C2- That makes
no sense to me.=C2- Did he also say you had to use a=0A "special" alte
rnator to use these batteries in an airplane?=0A=0A-Dj=0A=0A=0A-- =0ADj Mer
rill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87=0ASportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - htt
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Cat |
Slightly off-topic but probably worth noting.
My black lab loved to fly. He would jump in the airplane and immediately go
to sleep...for a while.
Then the combination of reduced air pressure (outside the dog) and the
normal digestive gas (now relatively pressurized, inside the dog) combined
to create a large steaming pile in the cabin.
It happened more than once.
Nothing like trying to clean up at a fuel island on a hot day.
Experience speaking,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Dj Merrill
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying a Cat
On 9/10/2013 9:20 AM, johngoodman wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to fly two cats from Georgia to New Jersey. Vets lean
> towards 1mg/lb of Benadryl to calm them down. Also suggested to stuff
> cotton in their ears. Naturally, they are in small carriers.
> I'm thinking that the carriers in the rear seats would be better than
> baggage compartment. Comments?
>
How well do they ride in the car? I used to take my cat flying
with me. He would curl up in the co-pilot seat and sleep most of the
trip (and no drugs were involved... :-) ).
-Dj
--
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Indeed there is. I ruined 2 PC-680s using the 'wrong' trickle
charger. A "Battery Tender" brand charger as I recall.
The problem, as I recall, is that certain older types of 'trickle'
chargers are unable to fully charge a somewhat discharged AGM (Odyssey
type) battery. If you attempt to use your battery on the bench and
then put it on that type of trickle charger as I did, you will quickly
or slowly kill it.
The 'smarter' trickle chargers such as I presume the Batter Minder is,
will work okay I guess.
My solution has been to use a 10 amp smart charger from Walmart for all
charging of any and all 12 volt batteries. It has settings for 3 types
including AGM batteries. I charges at a high rate then goes into
trickle mode once fully charged. It costs <$40. I've considered
keeping a 2nd one for convenience. Don't operate it outside in the rain.
Bill "with all his 12 volt batteries in tip top shape" Watson
On 9/10/2013 12:10 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> That's because there is a difference between a battery tender and a
> battery minder.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: life of the Odyssey
>
> On 9/9/2013 11:05 PM, Pascal wrote:
>> I was at Aircraft Spruce customer day last year and spoke with the
>> head engineer at Odyssey. He told me if I used the correct
>> tricklecharger that the battery would last a good 10 years as a minimum.
>>
>
>
> That makes no sense to me. Did he also say you had to use a
> "special" alternator to use these batteries in an airplane?
>
> -Dj
>
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> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ -http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH -http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
I am on my second PC-925 (I think that is the model) and am slightly unhappy. Both
batteries seem to have lost about 20% of their capacity. e.g., if I turn on
the landing lights, within a few seconds the voltage drops to 12.4 volts. After
that, the voltage drop with time is normal. It is as if I lost the top 20%
of capacity. Yes, I bought and use the charger recommended and sold by Odyssey.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Bob, when possible can the model trickle-charger be identified so the
discussion can morph to "The most effective" make & model?
John 40600
On Sep 10, 2013 12:29 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> I am on my second PC-925 (I think that is the model) and am slightly
> unhappy. Both batteries seem to have lost about 20% of their capacity.
> e.g., if I turn on the landing lights, within a few seconds the voltage
> drops to 12.4 volts. After that, the voltage drop with time is normal. It
> is as if I lost the top 20% of capacity. Yes, I bought and use the charger
> recommended and sold by Odyssey.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: prop govenor |
Not flying yet but I have gone above engine. two reasons, To go with Show Planes
cowl this is a requirement because lower install interferes with induction system,
My engine block did not have the two threaded bolt pattern the baffle needs
to secure right next to the prop cable bracket, therefore I used vans WA-153
bracket and routed above... I believe it is implement in the RV14 also. I
also did not install the left inlet ramp heat muf intake. I moved mine to right
rear next to the right heat muf intake...This was not my idea but came from
here from a guy a whole lot smarter than me
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Jackm
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
My charger is the Odyssey OMAX-12A, recommended for the PC-925.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: life of the Odyssey |
Measuring battery capacity by voltage is only valid if there is no load on
the battery. See page 4 of the link:
http://www.odysseybattery.com/documents/US-ODY-OM-011_0213.pdf
The other value of using Odyssey batteries is the exceptionally long shelf
life. In most practical applications this eliminates any need for trickle
charging. If you discharge the battery running the panel or such with no
engine, then any standard charger for a short period of time will bring up
the charge. I never leave a charger on the batteries.
If you beat an Odyssey battery into the ground by leaving a master on for
several days the battery is gone - replace it. You might breathe some life
into it with a charger but the capacity is gone. Use it in a tractor or as
a bench battery. You want the real deal in your airplane.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey
I am on my second PC-925 (I think that is the model) and am slightly
unhappy. Both batteries seem to have lost about 20% of their capacity. e.g.,
if I turn on the landing lights, within a few seconds the voltage drops to
12.4 volts. After that, the voltage drop with time is normal. It is as if I
lost the top 20% of capacity. Yes, I bought and use the charger recommended
and sold by Odyssey.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Cat |
What you could do is putting a soft blanket on top of the carrier so it
would dampen the noise (leaving the font of the carrier free).
What we did with our dog is to try out first a circuit, then a 30 min
trip but we did use mutmuffs for ear protection.
Cheers Werner
On 10.09.2013 17:51, dmaib@me.com wrote:
>
> We've flown cats several times over the years. Our own cats and Pilots N Paws
rescues. They do just fine in a carrier with no need for medication. Most of
them go to sleep after airborne. I have had them in the back seat of our old Bonanza
and in the back seat and luggage area of the -10. The -10 luggage area
can get pretty chilly on long flights in cool or cold air and that is my only
concern about the luggage area.
> I definitely would not try to stuff cotton or anything else in their ears! [Evil
or Very Mad]
>
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
> New Smyrna Beach, FL
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