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1. 06:38 AM - Re: N312F Bird Strike (rv10flyer)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: N312F Bird Strike (Jim Combs)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: N312F Bird Strike (P Reid)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: N312F Bird Strike (Marcus Cooper)
5. 03:00 PM - Re: Flatbed Tow Truck To Hangar (schmoboy)
6. 05:11 PM - Re: Outboard Tension Rod (Jeff Carpenter)
7. 05:42 PM - Fw: Re: Outboard Tension Rod (Linn Walters)
8. 07:24 PM - Re: Outboard Tension Rod (Rick Lark)
9. 08:18 PM - Re: Outboard Tension Rod (Jeff Carpenter)
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| Subject: | Re: N312F Bird Strike |
I am glad pilot and plane made it back safely. It looks like it took out left door
strut too...right above pilot's head. Wow! Was pilot wearing glasses? What
airspeed and altitude?
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Wayne G.
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| Subject: | Re: N312F Bird Strike |
Quick update,
I was not flying the airplane. We have several people who regularly fly
the airplane.
This was a VFR afternoon flight with only the pilot on board. I did get a
chance to talk to him late yesterday, after spending some time
taking off the rear bulkhead covers for cleaning and inspection. The bird
was a Turkey Vulture. Its a large bird. He spotted the bird and
tried to avoid it but with no success. He was close to 150Kts at 3000
(2000 AGL) and some 60 miles south of KLEX airport (Home Base)
The impact with the bird / windshield broke his glasses and headset as
well. I believe the rear door strut breakage was caused by the pilots
head.
The bird appeared to have traveled down along the center of the cabin top
inside the cabin just right of the center support and impacted the rear
baggage bulkhead. Pieces of the windshield were found in seats and floor
areas including the baggage area. Pieces range from 2" up to 6".
All were very sharp. There is no evidence of any impact forward of the
windshield or with any other parts of the aircraft.
The pilot engaged the AP at that point and realized his headset was broken
and managed to retrieve a second headset from one of the rear seats.
One of the lenses from his glasses were in the floor of the co-pilot side
of the aircraft. At that point he declared an emergency and proceeded
back to Lexington at a reduced speed (Approx 100Kts). He requested medical
support which arrived as he taxiing off the runway. The FBO at
Lexington towed the airplane back to our hanger. By the time I arrived,
the airplane was sitting in the hanger and pilot was at the emergency
room waiting for stitches. The pilot said the aircraft flew fine but was a
bit more noisy and windy than usual.
Coming back to a towered airport with ATC actually was a good thing at this
point. They were waiting and assisted his exit from the aircraft
The pilot did have injuries but is expected to have a full recovery. The
airplane will need repairs.
Two things to be noted from all this:
(1) - AVOID Birds! They are the equivalent of rocks in the sky.
(2) - Fly the airplane! The pilot did a great job of flying the airplane
and using the AP in the emergency.
The bird did not survive the incident. I am still trying to get pics from
the airport operations folks. They took the bird from the airplane.
Jim Combs - N312F - 500+ hours
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On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Karol Hansen <karolamy@roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>
> Wow, BIG BIRD! How about, "an almost frozen turkey"! Compliments to the
> pilot, if that was you, Jim, for maintaining composure and getting her
> down safely. I feel for you having to do another windshield and paint.
> Man, that thing even bent the center post. Did the pilot get his/her
> headset and glasses knocked off too? Hopefully not too many war wounds for
> the pilot???
>
>
> Rich Hansen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N312F Bird Strike |
Great hear in the end the plane landed and th pilot flew the airplane.
As far as repairs, I encourage you get the replacement windscreen from Cee b
aileys. http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/products/Cee-Baileys-RV%252d10-Wind
shield.html . It will be an easier replacement without major shaping require
d. This is not as a sale pitch, but to hopefully get the plane repaired soon
er for you and your partners.
Glad the pilot will be okay and the plane can always be repaired.
Thank you for the update.
> On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:02 AM, "Jim Combs" <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Quick update,
>
> I was not flying the airplane. We have several people who regularly fly t
he airplane.
> This was a VFR afternoon flight with only the pilot on board. I did get a
chance to talk to him late yesterday, after spending some time
> taking off the rear bulkhead covers for cleaning and inspection. The bird
was a Turkey Vulture. Its a large bird. He spotted the bird and
> tried to avoid it but with no success. He was close to 150Kts at 3000 (20
00 AGL) and some 60 miles south of KLEX airport (Home Base)
>
> The impact with the bird / windshield broke his glasses and headset as wel
l. I believe the rear door strut breakage was caused by the pilots head.
> The bird appeared to have traveled down along the center of the cabin top i
nside the cabin just right of the center support and impacted the rear
> baggage bulkhead. Pieces of the windshield were found in seats and floor a
reas including the baggage area. Pieces range from 2" up to 6".
> All were very sharp. There is no evidence of any impact forward of the win
dshield or with any other parts of the aircraft.
>
> The pilot engaged the AP at that point and realized his headset was broken
and managed to retrieve a second headset from one of the rear seats.
> One of the lenses from his glasses were in the floor of the co-pilot side o
f the aircraft. At that point he declared an emergency and proceeded
> back to Lexington at a reduced speed (Approx 100Kts). He requested medica
l support which arrived as he taxiing off the runway. The FBO at
> Lexington towed the airplane back to our hanger. By the time I arrived, t
he airplane was sitting in the hanger and pilot was at the emergency
> room waiting for stitches. The pilot said the aircraft flew fine but was a
bit more noisy and windy than usual.
>
> Coming back to a towered airport with ATC actually was a good thing at thi
s point. They were waiting and assisted his exit from the aircraft
> The pilot did have injuries but is expected to have a full recovery. The a
irplane will need repairs.
>
> Two things to be noted from all this:
>
> (1) - AVOID Birds! They are the equivalent of rocks in the sky.
>
> (2) - Fly the airplane! The pilot did a great job of flying the airplane a
nd using the AP in the emergency.
>
> The bird did not survive the incident. I am still trying to get pics from
the airport operations folks. They took the bird from the airplane.
>
> Jim Combs - N312F - 500+ hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Karol Hansen <karolamy@roadrunner.com> w
rote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, BIG BIRD! How about, "an almost frozen turkey"! Compliments to th
e pilot, if that was you, Jim, for maintaining composure and getting her do
wn safely. I feel for you having to do another windshield and paint.
>> Man, that thing even bent the center post. Did the pilot get his/her hea
dset and glasses knocked off too? Hopefully not too many war wounds for the
pilot???
>>
>>
>> Rich Hansen
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: N312F Bird Strike |
Great update, still very thankful things turned out so well and good
thinking on the pilot's part to get the A/P on while he got composed. I
have a suggestion to make, but this is in absolutely no way is intended
to second guess how the guy maneuvered to avoid the bird since I don't
even know, so no second guessing whatsoever, just a thought based on
experience. I had a good friend take one of these birds in a F-16 at
510 knots and 500' AGL, first case of a bird punching through the
canopy. It was then we learned the famous frozen chicken test fired
from a canon only checked the canopy to 300 knots (we weren't even
allowed to fly less then 420 at low altitude). Fortunately he was
siting on an ejection seat as he was temporarily blinded and the wind
force knocked his hands off of the controls. Years of talking about
reacting to birds in small fast airplanes led to two conclusions, birds
will always fold their wings and drop when aware of a conflict, and
pulling up is the best answer as they generally go down and worst case
hopefully you'll hit the bottom of the airplane instead of the canopy.
I also know an experience pilot who opted to push forward to go under a
bird at low altitude causing LOTS of problems that could have been
easily averted. No solution works 100% of the time, but this one is
pretty close and at least would be a good game plan reaction until the
situation dictates otherwise. Again, I'm very impressed with how the
RV-10 pilot handled this situation, I just offer this in case folks
haven't given the situation a lot of thought and it's far better to have
a plan before the bird shows up at close 12 o'clock instead of trying to
decide what to do.
Cheers,
Marcus
On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
Quick update,
I was not flying the airplane. We have several people who regularly fly
the airplane.
This was a VFR afternoon flight with only the pilot on board. I did get
a chance to talk to him late yesterday, after spending some time
taking off the rear bulkhead covers for cleaning and inspection. The
bird was a Turkey Vulture. Its a large bird. He spotted the bird and
tried to avoid it but with no success. He was close to 150Kts at 3000
(2000 AGL) and some 60 miles south of KLEX airport (Home Base)
The impact with the bird / windshield broke his glasses and headset as
well. I believe the rear door strut breakage was caused by the pilots
head.
The bird appeared to have traveled down along the center of the cabin
top inside the cabin just right of the center support and impacted the
rear
baggage bulkhead. Pieces of the windshield were found in seats and
floor areas including the baggage area. Pieces range from 2" up to 6".
All were very sharp. There is no evidence of any impact forward of the
windshield or with any other parts of the aircraft.
The pilot engaged the AP at that point and realized his headset was
broken and managed to retrieve a second headset from one of the rear
seats.
One of the lenses from his glasses were in the floor of the co-pilot
side of the aircraft. At that point he declared an emergency and
proceeded
back to Lexington at a reduced speed (Approx 100Kts). He requested
medical support which arrived as he taxiing off the runway. The FBO at
Lexington towed the airplane back to our hanger. By the time I arrived,
the airplane was sitting in the hanger and pilot was at the emergency
room waiting for stitches. The pilot said the aircraft flew fine but
was a bit more noisy and windy than usual.
Coming back to a towered airport with ATC actually was a good thing at
this point. They were waiting and assisted his exit from the aircraft
The pilot did have injuries but is expected to have a full recovery.
The airplane will need repairs.
Two things to be noted from all this:
(1) - AVOID Birds! They are the equivalent of rocks in the sky.
(2) - Fly the airplane! The pilot did a great job of flying the
airplane and using the AP in the emergency.
The bird did not survive the incident. I am still trying to get pics
from the airport operations folks. They took the bird from the
airplane.
Jim Combs - N312F - 500+ hours
Do Not Archive
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Karol Hansen <karolamy@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
Wow, BIG BIRD! How about, "an almost frozen turkey"! Compliments to
the pilot, if that was you, Jim, for maintaining composure and getting
her down safely. I feel for you having to do another windshield and
paint.
Man, that thing even bent the center post. Did the pilot get his/her
headset and glasses knocked off too? Hopefully not too many war wounds
for the pilot???
Rich Hansen
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| Subject: | Re: Flatbed Tow Truck To Hangar |
Well it made it safely to its new home. Thanks for all the suggestions. Found
a company with a slide down tilt bed so had no issues with the tail dragging.
I put bolts through the spars to be used as strap downs. And no... driver
was not a wench. [Laughing]
Funny thing is that I seem to have separation anxiety this afternoon. The baby
is no longer a few steps away out in the garage, but a half hour drive.
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| Subject: | Re: Outboard Tension Rod |
Okay... so here's what I finally wound up with. I feel like this will
wear well. Time will tell.
Had I started with this approach I'd probably be finishing up the
exhaust system by now... oh well.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> When I make the outboard tension rods to the plan specs, I get the gap
you see in the attached picture between the curved portion of the fwd
left air ramp and the cooling fins. Is this correct, or should a make a
new tension rod to reduce the gap?
>
> Also, I don't feel much resistance as I tighten the MS21042-06 lock
nut on the 6-32 threaded end of the tension rod. Is this peculiar to me
or have others found this? Any suggestions to keep this from backing off
in flight?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
> <photo.jpeg>
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| Subject: | Re: Outboard Tension Rod |
Great photos. I just got through doing the same thing the same way. I
used 1/8" brazing rod spanning the whole 'lip'. Red RTV will keep
things from moving around. I don't think I spent 1/2 hour doing both
sides. I only have a few issues to check off and the engine is ready to
run. The rest of the airplane, however, .......
Linn
Oh yeah .... I still have the exhaust to do too.
Okay... so here's what I finally wound up with. I feel like this will wear well.
Time will tell.
Had I started with this approach I'd probably be finishing up the exhaust system
by now... oh well.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: Outboard Tension Rod |
Nice Jeff, is that aluminum rod or stainless?
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>wrote:
> Okay... so here's what I finally wound up with. I feel like this will wear
> well. Time will tell.
>
> Had I started with this approach I'd probably be finishing up the exhaust
> system by now... oh well.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> > When I make the outboard tension rods to the plan specs, I get the gap
> you see in the attached picture between the curved portion of the fwd left
> air ramp and the cooling fins. Is this correct, or should a make a new
> tension rod to reduce the gap?
> >
> > Also, I don't feel much resistance as I tighten the MS21042-06 lock nut
> on the 6-32 threaded end of the tension rod. Is this peculiar to me or have
> others found this? Any suggestions to keep this from backing off in flight?
> >
> > Jeff Carpenter
> > 40304
> >
> > <photo.jpeg>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Outboard Tension Rod |
That's the stainless rod that was furnished to make the tension rods
with. You can see in one of the pictures that I ground a "dog bone"
style groove in the center of the rods for the wire to nest in. That
should keep the rods from working their way out.
On Sep 30, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Nice Jeff, is that aluminum rod or stainless?
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Jeff Carpenter
<jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> Okay... so here's what I finally wound up with. I feel like this will
wear well. Time will tell.
>
> Had I started with this approach I'd probably be finishing up the
exhaust system by now... oh well.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> > When I make the outboard tension rods to the plan specs, I get the
gap you see in the attached picture between the curved portion of the
fwd left air ramp and the cooling fins. Is this correct, or should a
make a new tension rod to reduce the gap?
> >
> > Also, I don't feel much resistance as I tighten the MS21042-06 lock
nut on the 6-32 threaded end of the tension rod. Is this peculiar to me
or have others found this? Any suggestions to keep this from backing off
in flight?
> >
> > Jeff Carpenter
> > 40304
> >
> > <photo.jpeg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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