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1. 06:31 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Bill Watson)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Bill Watson)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Don Mc Donald)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Les Kearney)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Bill Watson)
8. 09:59 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Ben Westfall)
9. 11:28 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (John Jessen)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Carl Froehlich)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed ()
12. 01:13 PM - Re: N410BL Flies (Deems Davis)
13. 03:11 PM - Re: N410BL Flies (Rick Lark)
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies |
A Big Congrats!!
n 10/11/2013 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot.
> Geoff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell
> assisted me with the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with
> Geoff in his RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that
> helped me today.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind...
I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how
much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't
miss it.
The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the
tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center
console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line
center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress.
Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and installing
the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to handle and the
connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is spilled but I
can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any that I found and
immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was thinking that the
bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during filter removal)
In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of
debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual
servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known
contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would
make an access panel a very good thing.
So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary
mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and
the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO.
Bill
On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like
a clean way to access the filter.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel
cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces.
I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed
for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real
pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the
top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover.
However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate
the cover and would complicate its removal.
Kelly
On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind...
>
> I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering
> how much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I
> don't miss it.
>
> The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing
> the tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center
> console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line
> center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress.
>
> Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and
> installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to
> handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is
> spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any that
> I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was
> thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during filter
> removal)
>
> In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits
> of debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual
> servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known
> contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would
> make an access panel a very good thing.
>
> So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary
> mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and
> the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO.
>
> Bill
>
> On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote:
>>
>> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom.
>> Seems like a clean way to access the filter.
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 flying
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies |
Congrats, and welcome to the flying wing of the board.
Don McDonald
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> A Big Congrats!!
>
> n 10/11/2013 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>> About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. Geo
ff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted me w
ith the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his RV-10,
then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
Hi
For those on the darkside, I mounted my fuel filters in the wing roots. It is much
easier access for inspection and cleaning. After a few hours of flying I did
find construction debris in the filters so be sure to check them periodically.
I have a Center console so top removal is a huge deal. I did put in a side wall
tunnel access panel for access to the fuel pumps.
I also have Paul's rudder pedals.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel cover that
Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces.
> I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed for first
flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real pain, and with
a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the top cover. I'm only debating
whether to add a second side cover.
> However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate the
cover and would complicate its removal.
> Kelly
>> On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind...
>>
>> I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how much
I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't miss it.
>>
>> The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the tunnel
cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center console is included.
Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line center console is the easiest
part to remove, but I digress.
>>
>> Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and installing the
filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to handle and the connections
are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is spilled but I can't really recall.
I probably wet a rag with any that I found and immediately used it to wipe
something done. (I was thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle
during filter removal)
>>
>> In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of debris
found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual servicing is all
I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known contamination problem. However,
a known contamination problem would make an access panel a very good thing.
>>
>> So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary mod.
That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and the filter shouldn't
require any additional access in normal ops IMHO.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems
like a clean way to access the filter.
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Dave Ford
>>> RV6 flying
>>> RV10 building
>>> Cadillac, MI
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
Good point.
I don't think I split it but I did do a lot of 'creative' work to get
the Andair valve installed in such a way that removal of the cover would
be easy. And my console removes in seconds.
I'm guessing as it is in so many cases that if you do a 100% stock Vans
build, this isn't such an issue. But that's no fun!
Bill
On 10/12/2013 10:30 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel
> cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces.
> I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed
> for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real
> pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the
> top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover.
> However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that
> penetrate the cover and would complicate its removal.
> Kelly
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Congrats Bob! Such a serious face taxing back to the hangar. I figured
we'd see a bit of a smile.. :). Where's that RV grin?
-Ben Westfall
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 6:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N410BL Flies
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies |
Bob, a huge congratulations! What a thrill!
On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. Geof
f Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted me w
ith the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his RV-10,
then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today.
>
> Geoff Combs following me to the runway as the chase plane.
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> N410BL departs earth for the first time!
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> Taxing back to the hangar. Successful flight!
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> Joe Strausbaugh, Lynn Coriell, Geoff Combs, Bob Leffler, and Renee Leffler
. Photo taken by Phil Newlon. Thanks to all of them for their help and ass
istance.
>
> <image004.jpg>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
Regardless of how many filters and where mounted, before first engine start
recommend a comprehensive flush of the fuel system. About 20 gals of avgas
in a tank, fuel filter temporarily replaced with a straight piece of tubing,
the fuel line disconnected at the mechanical fuel pump then via tygon tubing
and a "see through" automotive type filter to gas cans. Repeat as needed
until you get no more "finds" coming out of the system. This process also
provides opportunity to calibrate the tank fuel level senders.
While working the fuselage I let tanks sit for several months off the wing
in various positions about 1/3 full of avgas, filling, shaking and draining
from time to time using the same type of automotive filter to cycle the
AVGAS to gas cans and back. This got the majority of junk out of the tanks
and also provided a good check for weeping rivets on the fuel tanks -
standard pressure testing will not find these.
The end result was a perfectly clean fuel filter after the first 40 hours.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console
installed
Hi
For those on the darkside, I mounted my fuel filters in the wing roots. It
is much easier access for inspection and cleaning. After a few hours of
flying I did find construction debris in the filters so be sure to check
them periodically.
I have a Center console so top removal is a huge deal. I did put in a side
wall tunnel access panel for access to the fuel pumps.
I also have Paul's rudder pedals.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel
cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces.
> I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed for
first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real pain, and
with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the top cover. I'm
only debating whether to add a second side cover.
> However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate
the cover and would complicate its removal.
> Kelly
>> On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind...
>>
>> I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how
much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't miss
it.
>>
>> The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the
tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center console
is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line center console
is the easiest part to remove, but I digress.
>>
>> Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and
>> installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to
>> handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel
>> is spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any
>> that I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was
>> thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during
>> filter removal)
>>
>> In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of
debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual servicing is
all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known contamination
problem. However, a known contamination problem would make an access panel
a very good thing.
>>
>> So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary
mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and the
filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom.
Seems like a clean way to access the filter.
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunn
>>> el+fuel
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Dave Ford
>>> RV6 flying
>>> RV10 building
>>> Cadillac, MI
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed |
I have a setup like that. I made the bottom access after checking my filter the
first time. Had to pull the carpet to remove tunnel cover as well as unhook rudder
cables to remove carpet. Before reinstalling tunnel cover I split it into
two parts to make removal easier. Even being careful I still spilled several
ounces of fuel with a small amount coming from the valve even with it shut off.
I'll send you pics when I get home Monday.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
---- rvdave <rv610dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like
a clean way to access the filter.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410367#410367
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies |
Bob,
If ever there was a prime example of perseverance in building, you're
it. Watching your build I've felt like I've come to know you and your
family just a little, what with the relocations, watching Brad fulfill
his dreams (and probably yours as well), I'm so happy that you can
reap the fruits of your labors. C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !
enjoy.
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
> Congrats Bob! Such a serious face taxing back to the hangar. I figured
> wed see a bit of a smile. J. Wheres that RV grin?
>
>
> -Ben Westfall
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 6:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com; GARVaviation@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RV10-List: N410BL Flies
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies |
Bob congratulations on the successful debut.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> ** **
>
> About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot.
> Geoff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted
> me with the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his
> RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today.
> ****
>
> ****
>
> Geoff Combs following me to the runway as the chase plane.****
>
> ****
>
> [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1405.jpg]****
>
> ****
>
> N410BL departs earth for the first time!****
>
> ****
>
> [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1411.jpg]****
>
> ****
>
> Taxing back to the hangar. Successful flight!****
>
> ****
>
> [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1434.jpg]****
>
> ****
>
> Joe Strausbaugh, Lynn Coriell, Geoff Combs, Bob Leffler, and Renee
> Leffler. Photo taken by Phil Newlon. Thanks to all of them for their help
> and assistance.****
>
> ****
>
> [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1437.jpg]****
>
> ** **
>
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