---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/12/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:31 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Bill Watson) 3. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Bill Watson) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Kelly McMullen) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Don Mc Donald) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Les Kearney) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Bill Watson) 8. 09:59 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (Ben Westfall) 9. 11:28 AM - Re: N410BL Flies (John Jessen) 10. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed (Carl Froehlich) 11. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed () 12. 01:13 PM - Re: N410BL Flies (Deems Davis) 13. 03:11 PM - Re: N410BL Flies (Rick Lark) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:48 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:23 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies A Big Congrats!! n 10/11/2013 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. > Geoff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell > assisted me with the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with > Geoff in his RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that > helped me today. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:49 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind... I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't miss it. The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress. Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any that I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during filter removal) In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would make an access panel a very good thing. So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO. Bill On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote: > > I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like a clean way to access the filter. > > http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:37 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces. I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover. However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate the cover and would complicate its removal. Kelly On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > > Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind... > > I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering > how much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I > don't miss it. > > The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing > the tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center > console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line > center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress. > > Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and > installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to > handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is > spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any that > I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was > thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during filter > removal) > > In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits > of debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual > servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known > contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would > make an access panel a very good thing. > > So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary > mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and > the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO. > > Bill > > On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote: >> >> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. >> Seems like a clean way to access the filter. >> >> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel >> >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 flying >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies From: Don Mc Donald Congrats, and welcome to the flying wing of the board. Don McDonald Sent from my iPad > On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > > A Big Congrats!! > > n 10/11/2013 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >> About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. Geo ff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted me w ith the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today. > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed From: Les Kearney Hi For those on the darkside, I mounted my fuel filters in the wing roots. It is much easier access for inspection and cleaning. After a few hours of flying I did find construction debris in the filters so be sure to check them periodically. I have a Center console so top removal is a huge deal. I did put in a side wall tunnel access panel for access to the fuel pumps. I also have Paul's rudder pedals. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces. > I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover. > However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate the cover and would complicate its removal. > Kelly >> On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote: >> >> Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind... >> >> I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't miss it. >> >> The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress. >> >> Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel is spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any that I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during filter removal) >> >> In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would make an access panel a very good thing. >> >> So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote: >>> >>> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like a clean way to access the filter. >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel >>> >>> -------- >>> Dave Ford >>> RV6 flying >>> RV10 building >>> Cadillac, MI > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed Good point. I don't think I split it but I did do a lot of 'creative' work to get the Andair valve installed in such a way that removal of the cover would be easy. And my console removes in seconds. I'm guessing as it is in so many cases that if you do a 100% stock Vans build, this isn't such an issue. But that's no fun! Bill On 10/12/2013 10:30 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel > cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces. > I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed > for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real > pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the > top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover. > However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that > penetrate the cover and would complicate its removal. > Kelly ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:35 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N410BL Flies Congrats Bob! Such a serious face taxing back to the hangar. I figured we'd see a bit of a smile.. :). Where's that RV grin? -Ben Westfall From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 6:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: N410BL Flies ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:13 AM PST US From: John Jessen Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies Bob, a huge congratulations! What a thrill! On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > > About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. Geof f Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted me w ith the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today. > > Geoff Combs following me to the runway as the chase plane. > > > > N410BL departs earth for the first time! > > > > Taxing back to the hangar. Successful flight! > > > > Joe Strausbaugh, Lynn Coriell, Geoff Combs, Bob Leffler, and Renee Leffler . Photo taken by Phil Newlon. Thanks to all of them for their help and ass istance. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:29 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed Regardless of how many filters and where mounted, before first engine start recommend a comprehensive flush of the fuel system. About 20 gals of avgas in a tank, fuel filter temporarily replaced with a straight piece of tubing, the fuel line disconnected at the mechanical fuel pump then via tygon tubing and a "see through" automotive type filter to gas cans. Repeat as needed until you get no more "finds" coming out of the system. This process also provides opportunity to calibrate the tank fuel level senders. While working the fuselage I let tanks sit for several months off the wing in various positions about 1/3 full of avgas, filling, shaking and draining from time to time using the same type of automotive filter to cycle the AVGAS to gas cans and back. This got the majority of junk out of the tanks and also provided a good check for weeping rivets on the fuel tanks - standard pressure testing will not find these. The end result was a perfectly clean fuel filter after the first 40 hours. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed Hi For those on the darkside, I mounted my fuel filters in the wing roots. It is much easier access for inspection and cleaning. After a few hours of flying I did find construction debris in the filters so be sure to check them periodically. I have a Center console so top removal is a huge deal. I did put in a side wall tunnel access panel for access to the fuel pumps. I also have Paul's rudder pedals. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > I guess it all depends on whether you stick with the one piece tunnel cover that Vans provides or if you split it into two or more pieces. > I doubt I will ever remove the front tunnel cover once it is installed for first flight. The section under the fuel selector would be a real pain, and with a side cover installed, there is no need to remove the top cover. I'm only debating whether to add a second side cover. > However I also have Paul Grimstead's custom rudder pedals that penetrate the cover and would complicate its removal. > Kelly >> On 10/12/2013 7:14 AM, Bill Watson wrote: >> >> Just an FYI for those considering an access panel of any kind... >> >> I considered adding a hatch but just got lazy and didn't, wondering how much I would regret it. Well, after 2 condition inspections I don't miss it. >> >> The reason I don't miss it is that the inspection requires removing the tunnel cover anyway, which is a real PITA when carpet and a center console is included. Actually my custom O2 bottle carrying slim line center console is the easiest part to remove, but I digress. >> >> Once the cover is removed along with the seats, removing and >> installing the filter is not difficult at all. The clamp is easy to >> handle and the connections are easy as well. I guess a little fuel >> is spilled but I can't really recall. I probably wet a rag with any >> that I found and immediately used it to wipe something done. (I was >> thinking that the bottom hatch may provide a nice gargle during >> filter removal) >> >> In my case, the filter appears very clean with only the smallest bits of debris found over 340 hours. I say that to suggest that annual servicing is all I ever intend to do unless confronted with a known contamination problem. However, a known contamination problem would make an access panel a very good thing. >> >> So, I'd just say that it is a very nice to have but far from necessary mod. That tunnel top needs to come off once a year no matter what and the filter shouldn't require any additional access in normal ops IMHO. >> >> Bill >> >>> On 10/12/2013 2:09 AM, rvdave wrote: >>> >>> I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like a clean way to access the filter. >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunn >>> el+fuel >>> >>> -------- >>> Dave Ford >>> RV6 flying >>> RV10 building >>> Cadillac, MI > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:14 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Access to the fuel filter with center console installed I have a setup like that. I made the bottom access after checking my filter the first time. Had to pull the carpet to remove tunnel cover as well as unhook rudder cables to remove carpet. Before reinstalling tunnel cover I split it into two parts to make removal easier. Even being careful I still spilled several ounces of fuel with a small amount coming from the valve even with it shut off. I'll send you pics when I get home Monday. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ---- rvdave wrote: > > I saw a photo of someone who had put an access panel on the bottom. Seems like a clean way to access the filter. > > http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81178&highlight=tunnel+fuel > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410367#410367 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies From: Deems Davis Bob, If ever there was a prime example of perseverance in building, you're it. Watching your build I've felt like I've come to know you and your family just a little, what with the relocations, watching Brad fulfill his dreams (and probably yours as well), I'm so happy that you can reap the fruits of your labors. C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! enjoy. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ben Westfall wrote: > Congrats Bob! Such a serious face taxing back to the hangar. I figured > wed see a bit of a smile. J. Wheres that RV grin? > > > -Ben Westfall > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 6:31 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com; GARVaviation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RV10-List: N410BL Flies > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: N410BL Flies From: Rick Lark Bob congratulations on the successful debut. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > ** ** > > About 5pm at KDLZ, N410BL took its first flight with me as the pilot. > Geoff Combs, Phil Newlon, Renee Leffler, Zac Holcomb, Lynn Coriell assisted > me with the first flight. I did a couple touch and goes with Geoff in his > RV-10, then it was my turn. I want to thank everyone that helped me today. > **** > > **** > > Geoff Combs following me to the runway as the chase plane.**** > > **** > > [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1405.jpg]**** > > **** > > N410BL departs earth for the first time!**** > > **** > > [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1411.jpg]**** > > **** > > Taxing back to the hangar. Successful flight!**** > > **** > > [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1434.jpg]**** > > **** > > Joe Strausbaugh, Lynn Coriell, Geoff Combs, Bob Leffler, and Renee > Leffler. Photo taken by Phil Newlon. Thanks to all of them for their help > and assistance.**** > > **** > > [image: http://www.aerosportproducts.com/bob/IMG_1437.jpg]**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.