---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/06/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:47 PM - Fw: AeroElectric-List: matronics servers have the flu (Kelly McMullen) 2. 04:57 PM - Extra fuel tank (Carlos Trigo) 3. 05:07 PM - Re: Extra fuel tank (David Leikam) 4. 05:25 PM - Re: Extra fuel tank (Jesse Saint) 5. 06:08 PM - Re: Extra fuel tank (Kelly McMullen) 6. 06:12 PM - Front seats value (Kelly McMullen) 7. 06:23 PM - Re: Front seats value (mds4878) 8. 06:25 PM - Re: Front seats value (Dave Saylor) 9. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Front seats value (Pascal) 10. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Front seats value (Kelly McMullen) 11. 06:51 PM - Re: Extra fuel tank (Jesse Saint) 12. 07:00 PM - Re: Front seats value (mds4878) 13. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Front seats value (Kelly McMullen) 14. 07:08 PM - Re: Front seats value (mds4878) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:00 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Network Issues At Matronics Last Few Days... Dear Listers, Starting sometime on Friday November 1st, my Internet Service Provider (ISP) began "upgrading" their Domain Name Servers (DNS). DNS servers allow the resolution of computer names such as "www.matronics.com" to real addresses such as 64.81.74.3. This also impacts email delivery as well, since there is another layer of resolution that applies to email names. Because of this upgrade on the part of my ISP, DNS service started getting unreliable around Friday sometime, but I didn't notice it until sometime on Saturday. When I used a tool called "nslookup" to test the resolution of name-to-address, about 50-75% of the time my ISP's servers would response with an "SERVFAIL" indicating that they didn't know the answer. I opened a ticket with the ISP on Saturday, and by Sunday afternoon I had no feedback on the ticket so I called in to support. "We upgrading the DNS servers, and it should back by Sunday at 5pm." 5pm came and went with no resolution. Well, long story short by Tuesday morning things were still not fixed and in fact much worse. So, I opted to move all my DNS service to a different service provider. I have a lot of DNS entries, so it took a while to get everything moved over. It generally takes about 24 hours for a change like that to fully propagate across the Internet which would be Wednesday morning sometime. I've noticed that the Matronics web server traffic is picking up again, so many sites have already propagated the new information. I really should have just moved the DNS on Saturday when I first noticed the troubles, but with stuff like this, you just keep believing that it gonna be fixed any minute now.... And, in fact, that's what my ISP kept telling me... Its always a giant bummer when stuff like this happens and particularly during the Fund Raiser. I apologize to anyone that has tried to make a Contribution in the last few days and had issues or was simply unable to connect. By the time you read this email, the DNS should be fully propagated, and I ask that you please try again. The Contribution web site URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or, you can send a personal check to the following address: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your kind consideration and patience, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:02 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: RV10-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: matronics servers have the flu FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: AeroElectric-List: matronics servers have the flu From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" It seems that the ISP that hosts Matt's Internet portal did something dumb with their domain name servers. My access to any features on matronics have been sketchy at best. Matt's not getting very good answers from the so-called 'service reps' . . . I think we're in good hands . . . Matt's trying to chase the rats out of the woodpile. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank From: Carlos Trigo Guys My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10. In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory. Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit? Regards Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank From: David Leikam I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing. Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info. Dave Leikam On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Guys > > My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10. > In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory. > > Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit? > > Regards > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank From: Jesse Saint We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote: > > > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing. > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info. > > Dave Leikam > >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: >> >> >> Guys >> >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10. >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory. >> >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit? >> >> Regards >> Carlos >> >> Enviado do meu iPhone >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank From: Kelly McMullen I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance. Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or electric pump. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for > a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you > transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > www.mavericklsa.com > C: 352-427-0285 > O: 352-465-4545 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote: > > > > > > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing. > > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info. > > > > Dave Leikam > > > >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > >> > >> > >> Guys > >> > >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10. > >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in > Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the > territory. > >> > >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel > tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any > aftermarket kit? > >> > >> Regards > >> Carlos > >> > >> Enviado do meu iPhone > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Front seats value From: Kelly McMullen I need to ship my front seats off for upholstery. Given the nature of shipping, I would like to insure them for something near replacement cost for the seat frames and conforfoam cushions. I cannot find any listing on "the List" to give a price, and the plans don't have a part number. Anyone have what Van's would charge (or is it Oregon Aero?) to replace the seats if the shipping company lost them or put a fork lift through the box? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:55 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value From: "mds4878" I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00 -------- RV-10 #40447 Fuselage almost done. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412306#412306 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:16 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front seats value I've tried to get a quote for the seats so we could use them in other planes. The short answer is they're only available to Vans and Vans doesn't sell the seats outright. I imagine you could get replacements if they were damaged, but it wouldn't be a straightforward order. During my efforts I did glean the cost for a pair of seats...$15,000. Three zeros. Why the seats are more than the finish kit is beyond me. That price was from Oregon Aero before they told me they weren't actually for sale. Get a quote from Vans before you insure them. Or take them to upholstery yourself! Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > I need to ship my front seats off for upholstery. Given the nature of > shipping, I would like to insure them for something near replacement cost > for the seat frames and conforfoam cushions. > I cannot find any listing on "the List" to give a price, and the plans > don't have a part number. Anyone have what Van's would charge (or is it > Oregon Aero?) to replace the seats if the shipping company lost them or put > a fork lift through the box? > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:14 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value each, which is less than what I was told they were by Oregon Aero. -----Original Message----- From: mds4878 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00 -------- RV-10 #40447 Fuselage almost done. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412306#412306 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value From: Kelly McMullen Finish kit is $15,000 and change now. Includes main gear, engine mount, cowling, wheel pants and fairings, among other items. So it sounds like 2/3 the cost is the front seats. That seems hugely out of line for cushions that are worth maybe $500 and aluminum frame with canvass seat bottom. That will definitely put insurance cost above shipping cost. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Pascal wrote: > > each, which is less than what I was told they were by Oregon Aero. > > -----Original Message----- From: mds4878 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, > 2013 6:23 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front > seats value > > I priced the seats one year ago and they were 4,400.00 > > -------- > RV-10 #40447 > Fuselage almost done. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412306#412306 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Extra fuel tank From: Jesse Saint Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance. > Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladd er, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or elec tric pump. > > >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint wro te: >> >> We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well. >> >> Jesse Saint >> I-TEC, Inc. >> jesse@itecusa.org >> www.itecusa.org >> www.mavericklsa.com >> C: 352-427-0285 >> O: 352-465-4545 >> F: 815-377-3694 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam wrote: >> > >> > >> > I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing. >> > Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info. >> > >> > Dave Leikam >> > >> >> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote : >> >> >> >> >> >> Guys >> >> >> >> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10. >> >> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Afric a, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territ ory. >> >> >> >> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel t ank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any afterm arket kit? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> Enviado do meu iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> "_blank">www.mrrace.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> >> >> > > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:38 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value From: "mds4878" The reason why I got a price for seats was that I have been buying my finish kit as I needed parts of it and I need the seats soon. I called about one year ago and asked how much and it took about a day or so and they called me back with 4,400.00 plus shipping for the pair with foam. I did have to provide my kit number. -------- RV-10 #40447 Fuselage almost done. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412312#412312 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:53 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value Thank you. Very helpful. Kelly 40866, forever finishing On 11/6/2013 8:00 PM, mds4878 wrote: > > The reason why I got a price for seats was that I have been buying my finish kit as I needed parts of it and I need the seats soon. I called about one year ago and asked how much and it took about a day or so and they called me back with 4,400.00 plus shipping for the pair with foam. I did have to provide my kit number. > > -------- > RV-10 #40447 > Fuselage almost done. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=412312#412312 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:57 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Front seats value From: "mds4878" I talked to Oregon Aero also about the seats and the only way they could sell them to me was as certified models that are used in other aircraft. He told me the same seat is used in three other aircraft but He could not sell a "RV10" seat because of the agreement with Van's. -------- RV-10 #40447 Fuselage almost done. 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