---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/16/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:52 AM - Is there more than one location to install an oil temp probe (Mike Whisky) 2. 12:48 PM - Re: Is there more than one location to install an oil temp probe (Kelly McMullen) 3. 01:24 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Bob Turner) 4. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Sean Stephens) 5. 02:29 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Bob Turner) 6. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 7. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Kelly McMullen) 8. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Ben) 9. 05:27 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Is there more than one location to install an oil temp probe From: "Mike Whisky" Hi, I am thinking to install the oil temp controller from experimentalgoodies.com, I am not sure if there is a second port on the TMX-IO-540 to install an oil temp probe. I don't have my manual with me and won't be in the hangar for a couple of days so I 'd appreciate if someone could help. Thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413202#413202 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is there more than one location to install an oil temp probe From: Kelly McMullen Yes. There are plugs at the front of the engine that are used during overhaul to clean the oil galleys. You can remove one (very carefully) with an appropriately sized allen socket. It is worth having the right size that you can put a 3/8s ratchet wrench on. You may have to also apply some heat with a propane torch in that area to loosen whatever sealant was used on the plug. They are difficult to get loose, and you darn sure do not want to round off the flats on the allen plug. On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Mike Whisky wrote: > > Hi, > I am thinking to install the oil temp controller from > experimentalgoodies.com, I am not sure if there is a second port on the > TMX-IO-540 to install an oil temp probe. I don't have my manual with me and > won't be in the hangar for a couple of days so I 'd appreciate if someone > could help. > > Thanks > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413202#413202 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance From: "Bob Turner" "Builders' Insurance" remains a mystery to me. When I was building the cost of the Builders' Insurance was 2/3 what I pay now for a flying airplane, including liability as well as hull. Do insurance companies think that 2/3 of the risk happens in the hangar? It could be that (1) theft is easier when avionics, and maybe engines, are in nice boxes instead of mounted; or (2) last year saw some low cost carriers drop out of the -10 market. Maybe there now is no competition? Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413215#413215 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:49 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance Where are you guys getting builder's insurance? I got mine through EAA. I don't have "real" insurance yet, but I know the $$ I am paying for builder's insurance is not going to even be 1/3 of what it will be. I think I am paying around $800/yr for builder's insurance. -Sean #40303 (putting everything back on) On 11/16/13, 3:24 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > "Builders' Insurance" remains a mystery to me. When I was building the cost of the Builders' Insurance was 2/3 what I pay now for a flying airplane, including liability as well as hull. Do insurance companies think that 2/3 of the risk happens in the hangar? > It could be that (1) theft is easier when avionics, and maybe engines, are in nice boxes instead of mounted; or (2) last year saw some low cost carriers drop out of the -10 market. Maybe there now is no competition? > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413215#413215 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:58 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance From: "Bob Turner" I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I forget the actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which pushed it well into 4 figures by the time I had virtually all the pieces in the hangar. I think it was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I paid for it mostly because it covered the 15 mile trip to the airport from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk was, I do not know. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:51 PM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance I self insured until the big move to the airport. That being said my work shop is 50' from my house and is well lite, secured, and alarmed. It was still a relief when I purchased full coverage insurance a few days before I moved it to the hanger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Turner" Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:29:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I forget the actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which pushed it well into 4 figures by the time I had virtually all the pieces in the hangar. I think it was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I paid for it mostly because it covered the 15 mile trip to the airport from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk was, I do not know. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:41 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance I guess I have a bit different situation. I have done all of my building at my hangar, at a public airport, which has security gates, police patrol, well lit, with well maintained sprinkler system. I only bought insurance once I had over $120K into the project. My coverage through NationAir and Global last year was $600, and for same exact coverage and stated value, this year, they want $900. I only pay around $1400 for my retractable gear Mooney for full coverage in flight etc. Granted the hull value is much less, but the exposure to damage is much higher. On 11/16/2013 4:19 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: > I self insured until the big move to the airport. That being said my > work shop is 50' from my house and is well lite, secured, and > alarmed. It was still a relief when I purchased full coverage > insurance a few days before I moved it to the hanger. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Bob Turner" > *To: *rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:29:21 PM > *Subject: *RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance > > > I also got mine thru EAA which really means the Falcon agency, and I > forget the actual carrier. It cost 1% of the declared value, which > pushed it well into 4 figures by the time I had virtually all the > pieces in the hangar. I think it was $1400, for $140,000 coverage. I > paid for it mostly because it covered the 15 mile trip to the airport > from my garage. Maybe that was where all the risk was, I do not know. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413217#413217 > > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:20 PM PST US From: "Ben" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance To continue on with that thought...... Just how much exposure does an insurance company really have with a buil ders loss... I have been in this experimental sector for years I persona lly cannot count even one person who had a claim during the building pro cess. It would be nice to actually see documentation that reflects the l evel of premiums charged....... Is there any out there who has known of a legit claim against an insurance carrier..??? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Bob Turner" Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance "Builders' Insurance" remains a mystery to me. When I was building the c ost of the Builders' Insurance was 2/3 what I pay now for a flying airpl ane, including liability as well as hull. Do insurance companies think t hat 2/3 of the risk happens in the hangar? It could be that (1) theft is easier when avionics, and maybe engines, a re in nice boxes instead of mounted; or (2) last year saw some low cost carriers drop out of the -10 market. Maybe there now is no competition? Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413215#413215 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance From: "Bob Turner" So, 3 years ago I would have been paying $1200, so you're still ahead. I think two years ago the premiums went from 1% to 0.5%; maybe they decided the reduction was too much. One issue is that the market is so small, overhead costs get amortized over relatively few policies. I'll bet they can't generate a piece of paper for less than $100. Similar issue: What do you think the insurance companies want to cover me while giving transition training (I have a LODA)? How about a 50% premium increase, for an estimated 20 hours of dual given per year? The risk/cost ratio seems all out of wack to me. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413224#413224 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.