---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/20/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:30 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:09 PM - Paint question (woxofswa) 2. 12:19 PM - Re: Paint question (Danny Riggs) 3. 12:36 PM - Re: Paint question (Bob Leffler) 4. 12:46 PM - Re: Paint question (Tcwtech) 5. 12:46 PM - Re: Paint question (Carl Froehlich) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: Paint question (woxofswa) 7. 02:18 PM - Re: life of the Odyssey (bob88) 8. 03:04 PM - Re: life of the Odyssey (bill.peyton) 9. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (Don McDonald) 10. 03:52 PM - Re: Paint question (Jim Berry) 11. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 12. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (Carl Froehlich) 13. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: life of the Odyssey (Rick Lark) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:46 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Value of the List... 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Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:45 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Paint question From: "woxofswa" My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts. The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again. Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:05 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint question That is what I did. Only downside (if you call it that) is that the screws holding it in aren't painted on the plane. Otherwise=2C no problem. I have heard other opinions and I've come to the conclusion it's a personal choice .. > Subject: RV10-List: Paint question > From: woxof@aol.com > Date: Wed=2C 20 Nov 2013 12:09:08 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > My airplane will be complete by end of year=2C just unassembled. I plan t o take it to the paint shop in pieces=2C then do final assembly of the pain ted parts. > > The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I 've had the wings on for the fairing work=2C but they are off now. I know it is best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potenti al paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other consideration s? I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down a gain. > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa=2C AZ > Emp completed=2C QB wings completed=2C legacy build fuse on gear. FWF co mplete. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:03 PM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint question Only if you got one of the wing tips whose shape is distorted. Then you have to cut and re-align the tip, which would screw up your paint job. I did the same as you are planning, but I rigged the ailerons before taking to paint, then again during final assembly. Even doing this, I've got one tip that ended up being off slightly. Not a big deal if your wings are still on in your shop. As you mentioned, a real PITA if you have to reassemble everything. The other option is to delay painting the tips until you get the wings back on after paint. Bob Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2013, at 3:09 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts. The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again. Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint question From: Tcwtech I painted everything separately. I chose to use stainless steel screws ever ywhere for fairings and the fuel tanks. I've never been satisfied with the look of painted screws after a few years in service. So I'm real pleased w ith the result of painting the airplane in pieces and doing final assembly a fterwards. Of course I did have all the parts together for rigging of wi ngs/flaps and ailerons unpainted- one time. Bob Newman N541RV. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Danny Riggs wrote: > That is what I did. Only downside (if you call it that) is that the screws holding it in aren't painted on the plane. Otherwise, no problem. I have he ard other opinions and I've come to the conclusion it's a personal choice. > > > Subject: RV10-List: Paint question > > From: woxof@aol.com > > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:09:08 -0800 > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > > > > My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted p arts. > > > > The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I 've had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it i s best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential pa int issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm r eally hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > -------- > > Myron Nelson > > Mesa, AZ > > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF comple te. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599 > > > >===== > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:45 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint question Don't do it. You risk messing up an expensive paint job. Fit up the wings, flaps, ailerons and wing tips before paint. A 1/4" wingtip trailing edge offset will totally screw up your trim. It is impossible to get the wing tips on correctly unless you work from the fuselage out - flaps, then ailerons, then wingtips. Before you start drilling and clekoing the tips, the trailing edge of the wing tips can be moved up or down over an inch. There is no way to get this right unless you have the aileron in exactly the right rig to align the trailing edges. After you are really sure you don't have any twist in your flaps, spend a lot of time measuring aileron rigging every which way from Tuesday. This includes careful measurement of aileron height both at the inboard and outboard mounts. Most RVs have a slight height difference between ailerons. Fix this first, then work the linkage lengths on rigging. After all that you are ready to rig the wingtips. Ask any RV builder that chased a heavy wing - aileron height tends to be the last thing they look at but the most common cause (assuming no gross linkage issues). Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Paint question My airplane will be complete by end of year, just unassembled. I plan to take it to the paint shop in pieces, then do final assembly of the painted parts. The only potential fly in the ointment I see so far are the wing tips. I've had the wings on for the fairing work, but they are off now. I know it is best to match the tips to rigged ailerons. Are there serious potential paint issues of attaching the tips after paint? Any other considerations? I'm really hoping to not have to assemble everything and tear it down again. Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413599#413599 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint question From: "woxofswa" Thanks for the input. I should have mentioned that the plan is to paint just the base coat before assembly and the accents afterwards. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413609#413609 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:42 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey From: "bob88" How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they will sit side by side in the stock battery tray. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey From: "bill.peyton" Bob, I am not sure if you are addressing me, but I do not have two PC680's. I have a PC925L in the main tray, which will fit in the standard mount without modification, and a PC680 in a battery box supplied by Odyssey. The PC680 second battery is mounted on a shelf next to the existing tray. Bill -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413614#413614 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:12 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey Really easy to modify the tray.... I originally had 2 ea 680's, but just modified it a second time to host a 925 and a 680. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:57 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint question From: "Jim Berry" I agree with Carl re rigging the flaps, ailerons and wing tips, but there is no reason that the wings need to be mounted to the fuselage; in fact I think it is easier to do all of that with the wings in a rack, leading edge down. No crawling around under the wings, fighting gravity to keep the flaps against the stops, etc. Jim Berry RV-10 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413617#413617 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:34 PM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey Here is how I did mine: http://s403.photobucket.com/user/dclifford01/media/RV10/IMG_0006.jpg.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob88" Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:18:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they will sit side by side in the stock battery tray. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:47 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey I used two PC-625s and modified the mount. The hold down bolts remain in the same place. I find the 625s (17ah, 200CCA and 15 lb) a better form factor to work with than the PC-680s (16ah, 170CCA and 16lbs). Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey How did you mount the two 680s...just looking at dimentions, I don't thinbk they will sit side by side in the stock battery tray. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413612#413612 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey From: Rick Lark Hey Don, why the change back to the 925 and 680 combo? Thx, Rick #40956 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Really easy to modify the tray.... I originally had 2 ea 680's, but just > modified it a second time to host a 925 and a 680. > > ------------------------------ > * From: * bill.peyton ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * RV10-List: Re: life of the Odyssey > * Sent: * Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:03:56 PM > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.