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1. 04:12 AM - EZ Heat engine block heater (Rob Kermanj)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: re bird strike repairs (Jim Combs)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: rudder trim RV-10 (johngoodman)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim RV-10 (Carl Froehlich)
5. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim RV-10 (Pascal)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim RV-10 (Geoff Combs)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim RV-10 (Seano)
8. 11:18 AM - Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall (Mike Whisky)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall (johngoodman)
10. 12:33 PM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_RV10-List=3A_Full_power_30=C2=B0_bank_sta?= =?windows-1252?Q?ll? (Marcus Cooper)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_bank_stall? (Werner Schneider)
12. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_bank_stal?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?l? (Werner Schneider)
13. 02:56 PM - Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall (Bob Turner)
14. 04:00 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_RV10=2DList=3A_Full_power_30=C2=B0_bank_stall? (Kelly McMullen)
15. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?bank_stall? (Linn Walters)
16. 05:43 PM - Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0?= bank stall (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | EZ Heat engine block heater |
couple of pictures of my installation just in case someone is planning
the same.
The installation instructions are conceptual and not directly related to
IO540. Basically, place the pads where you they fit.
The throttle body and the cable bracket had to come out to accommodate
the installation. Of course easiest installation during the building
process.
Have not fired it up yet, 24 hrs needed to cure. Costs $185 including
shipping from AS.
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| Subject: | Re: re bird strike repairs |
I tried to contact them and could not. So I put a Vans window back in.
It goes a lot easier the second time around.
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
> Hopefully you used the desser/Cee Baileys,
> That would explain the quick time to repair
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> On Dec 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The second time goes a LOT quicker than the first time!
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> The fear of screwing it up is not there. Its the 3 hours of grinding out
> the old one that was the worst.
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> Jim C
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> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>wrote:
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>> Wow, that was fast! I started on my windshield install shortly after your
>> incident report. Still working on getting the fiberglass fairing finished.
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>> On 12/7/2013 8:12 AM, Jim Combs wrote:
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>>> N312F - flying again after the bird strike repairs!
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim RV-10 |
I used a spring-based rudder trim system. I got it in 2008 from M.L.Skunkworks
for $75. I think he is out of business, but there is a company called Aerosport
that sells the same thing for $250 [Shocked]
Regardless, it works great and I rarely have to change it. I don't think the RV-10
needs much rudder trim, unless you have crooked pants....
John
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim RV-10 |
Yep - I looked at this and decided that while it is simple and effective, it
is way overpriced. The M.L. Skunkworks version is still listed for $115 -
much more reasonable. http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_Trim_System.html
After all the rigging tweaks during Phase One I have not found a need for
rudder trim in cruise.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder trim RV-10
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I used a spring-based rudder trim system. I got it in 2008 from
M.L.Skunkworks for $75. I think he is out of business, but there is a
company called Aerosport that sells the same thing for $250 [Shocked]
Regardless, it works great and I rarely have to change it. I don't think the
RV-10 needs much rudder trim, unless you have crooked pants....
John
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim RV-10 |
I mentioned the tab, that fellow Don McDonald helped me create and it was
not a big deal. You grab a piece of aluminum, 4" X 2" and you bend it
slightly. Fly and see what happens at cruise. adjust as needed and repeat
flight until ball is centered. If I add up the cost of gas I guess it was
about $75, except I was flying anyway so it was practically free. My ball is
centered than not and I rarely need to adjust it in cruise, John is right
on, once you get the rudder tab tuned in there is very little trim
adjustments needed.
I know Tim Olson went the route of the trim tab to electronic trim, I would
encourage all you debating this to check out his extensive review and steps
to do oneself.
Pascal
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From: johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder trim RV-10
I used a spring-based rudder trim system. I got it in 2008 from
M.L.Skunkworks for $75. I think he is out of business, but there is a
company called Aerosport that sells the same thing for $250 [Shocked]
Regardless, it works great and I rarely have to change it. I don't think the
RV-10 needs much rudder trim, unless you have crooked pants....
John
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim RV-10 |
John
Aerosport Products rudder trim is a much more refined unit then the
skunkworks.
You get what you pay for with our rudder trim. It might not be for everyone.
If you saw
What goes into making this a quality unit and you may or may not understand.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.8659p
www.aerosportproducts.com
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Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder trim RV-10
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I used a spring-based rudder trim system. I got it in 2008 from
M.L.Skunkworks for $75. I think he is out of business, but there is a
company called Aerosport that sells the same thing for $250 [Shocked]
Regardless, it works great and I rarely have to change it. I don't think the
RV-10 needs much rudder trim, unless you have crooked pants....
John
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim RV-10 |
I love my rudder trim form Aerosport. It works perfect and doesn't add
weight to the rudder assembly. As a great by-product it holds the rudder
from being slammed around in winds. Of course you need to put in a gust
lock in strong gusts.
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From: Geoff Combs
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: rudder trim RV-10
John
Aerosport Products rudder trim is a much more refined unit then the
skunkworks.
You get what you pay for with our rudder trim. It might not be for everyone.
If you saw
What goes into making this a quality unit and you may or may not understand.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 howe industrial pkwy
canal winchester, ohio 43110
614.834.8659p
www.aerosportproducts.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder trim RV-10
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I used a spring-based rudder trim system. I got it in 2008 from
M.L.Skunkworks for $75. I think he is out of business, but there is a
company called Aerosport that sells the same thing for $250 [Shocked]
Regardless, it works great and I rarely have to change it. I don't think the
RV-10 needs much rudder trim, unless you have crooked pants....
John
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| Subject: | Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall |
My test program asks for a full power 30 bank stall.
M question is if this has been done by others and what is the aircrafts behavior.
I'd expect that the low wing would stall first due to lower airspeed compared
to the outer turn wing.
What did you experience?
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall |
That's a strange one for a non-acrobatic RV-10. It would take a LOT of nose up
at full power to stall.
John
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| Subject: | =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_RV10-List=3A_Full_power_30=C2=B0_bank_sta?= |
=?windows-1252?Q?ll?
Not sure why you need to test that configuration, but a full power stall in the
RV-10 can get pretty nose high so just be ready. This is particularly the case
if you have some flaps down and the only situation I can imagine needing to
test this setup for would be in the event of disorientation after a go-around
in which case you will probably have the flaps down. Also make sure you maintain
coordinated flight going into it as with full power you should have a fair
amount of rudder in, otherwise youll get a pretty hefty wing drop. In all stalls
Ive tried the wings have remained steady and the nose drop is remarkably
unimpressive (a good thing).
Just my .02,
Marcus
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote:
My test program asks for a full power 30 bank stall.
M question is if this has been done by others and what is the aircrafts behavior.
I'd expect that the low wing would stall first due to lower airspeed compared
to the outer turn wing.
What did you experience?
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_bank_stall? |
Michael,
please discuss with your flight advisor, I would do a step up approach
first with 60% power to get a feeling (and start enough high).
My Glastar does exactly the opposite to what you describe (and I can
repeat it) so the outer wing stalls and the plane goes into a straight
and level attitude with nose down, very tame.
However I did hear from Lancair/Glasair pilot from wing overs! (Andre
Beusch might be a good person to talk about his experience.)
Good luck (and I'm impressed with your landings, seems the 10 has a lot
of elevator authority on slow speed as well as that nose gear is up
about half the runway long :)
Cheers Werner
On 08.12.2013 20:17, Mike Whisky wrote:
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> My test program asks for a full power 30 bank stall.
> M question is if this has been done by others and what is the aircrafts behavior.
I'd expect that the low wing would stall first due to lower airspeed compared
to the outer turn wing.
>
> What did you experience?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_bank_stal?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?l? |
John,
the idea behind that point is to simulate a large bank on a go around.
It should not be done that way, but in Switzerland the test flying
includes that program point.
Cheers Werner
On 08.12.2013 21:23, johngoodman wrote:
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> That's a strange one for a non-acrobatic RV-10.
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| Subject: | Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=C2=B0?= bank stall |
Remember that stall depends on angle of attack, not airspeed.
The raised wing has a slightly higher angle of attack due to the lowered aileron.
The plane just falls out of the turn, if the ball is centered.
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| Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_RV10=2DList=3A_Full_power_30=C2=B0_bank_stall? |
If you are forced to do such a test, I would load to near gross weight, and
bring the power in very slowly. Someone should be able to explain what
scenario it is supposed to duplicate. Flaps should be up for most any
scenario including missed approach or go around, as there should be no
turning before flaps are retracted.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote:
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> My test program asks for a full power 30=B0 bank stall.
> M question is if this has been done by others and what is the aircrafts
> behavior. I'd expect that the low wing would stall first due to lower
> airspeed compared to the outer turn wing.
>
> What did you experience?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?bank_stall? |
I'm thinking that the test is just a plain accelerated stall ..... and
the stall should be occur about 20 knots above straight and level stall
speed.
So, at some comfortable speed 90 to 100 knots .... roll into the 30
degree bank and apply back pressure to hold altitude. The airspeed
should decrease as you add back pressure until the stall occurs.
Different airframes act differently. Some will roll to the outside of
the turn and some will just drop the nose and roll to the inside. Let
us know if that satisfies the test and what the resulting unusual
attitude you get!!!
I may be wrong, but this is my take.
Linn
On 12/8/2013 7:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> If you are forced to do such a test, I would load to near gross
> weight, and bring the power in very slowly. Someone should be able to
> explain what scenario it is supposed to duplicate. Flaps should be up
> for most any scenario including missed approach or go around, as there
> should be no turning before flaps are retracted.
>
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> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Mike Whisky <rv-10@wellenzohn.net
> <mailto:rv-10@wellenzohn.net>> wrote:
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> My test program asks for a full power 30 bank stall.
> M question is if this has been done by others and what is the
> aircrafts behavior. I'd expect that the low wing would stall first
> due to lower airspeed compared to the outer turn wing.
>
> What did you experience?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Full power =?ISO-8859-1?Q?30=B0?= bank stall |
Technically yes it's an accelerated stall but at a 30 degree bank the load factor
is only 1.15, so stall speed should go up 7.5% -about 5 kias.
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