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1. 12:14 AM - 2013 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (Tim Olson)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (Sean Stephens)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (Carl Froehlich)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (Tim Olson)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (Kelly McMullen)
7. 07:23 AM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (johngoodman)
8. 01:29 PM - Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall (rv10flyer)
9. 02:05 PM - Re: WIng Bolt Check (rv10flyer)
10. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: WIng Bolt Check (Kelly McMullen)
11. 06:48 PM - Re: WIng Bolt Check (Bob Turner)
12. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: WIng Bolt Check (Linn Walters)
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| Subject: | 2013 List of Contributors |
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
Carl,
I used almost exactly the same thing. At the time I think it was called
Foss Thermozite Plus. But the stuff I got (the "plus") was silver on 2
sides. You didn't run across that anywhere, did you? I will probably use
it again on the RV-14. I used red RTV to stick it to the side walls
and firewall, and it hasn't loosened up at all....that was the benefit
to me of the silver on 2 sides. The tape would work too of course, but
if I can find the "plus" stuff easily I'll do that.
Tim
On 12/15/2013 8:48 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> Cabin side. That way the grease and grime does not get into the insulation.
>
> I used this for the whole plane (the double sided version):
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/insulation/insulator3.php
> And this tape to hold it all in:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/insulation/insultape.php
>
> If you want to do the minimalistic approach then just do the inside of the
> firewall and the tunnel floor. I did all the hidden areas between the
> floorboards, under the seats and the where the hull has a double wall.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fiberfrax on the firewall
>
>
> Has anyone out there used a product called FYREWRAP to insulate their
> firewall? It is a fiberfrax-like product with stainless steel foil on one
> side. Regardless of the product, is it better to insulate on the engine side
> or the cabin side (or not insulate at all?)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415631#415631
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
Carl, link below has an option to buy it with foil on both sides.
-Sean #40303 (struggling to complete the last 90%)
> Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> December 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM
>
> Carl,
> I used almost exactly the same thing. At the time I think it was called
> Foss Thermozite Plus. But the stuff I got (the "plus") was silver on 2
> sides. You didn't run across that anywhere, did you? I will probably
> use
> it again on the RV-14. I used red RTV to stick it to the side walls
> and firewall, and it hasn't loosened up at all....that was the benefit
> to me of the silver on 2 sides. The tape would work too of course, but
> if I can find the "plus" stuff easily I'll do that.
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Fiberfrax on the firewall |
ACS has both the single and double side aluminum versions. They are listed
as different part numbers (09-06016 for double sided). The double side
makes the most sense as it provides a barrier to getting "stuff" into the
insulation material.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fiberfrax on the firewall
Carl,
I used almost exactly the same thing. At the time I think it was called Foss
Thermozite Plus. But the stuff I got (the "plus") was silver on 2 sides.
You didn't run across that anywhere, did you? I will probably use it again
on the RV-14. I used red RTV to stick it to the side walls and firewall,
and it hasn't loosened up at all....that was the benefit to me of the silver
on 2 sides. The tape would work too of course, but if I can find the "plus"
stuff easily I'll do that.
Tim
On 12/15/2013 8:48 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> --> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> Cabin side. That way the grease and grime does not get into the
insulation.
>
> I used this for the whole plane (the double sided version):
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/insulation/insulator3.php
> And this tape to hold it all in:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/insulation/insultape.php
>
> If you want to do the minimalistic approach then just do the inside of
> the firewall and the tunnel floor. I did all the hidden areas between
> the floorboards, under the seats and the where the hull has a double wall.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fiberfrax on the firewall
>
>
> Has anyone out there used a product called FYREWRAP to insulate their
> firewall? It is a fiberfrax-like product with stainless steel foil on
> one side. Regardless of the product, is it better to insulate on the
> engine side or the cabin side (or not insulate at all?)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415631#415631
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
I guess it's Monday...I looked right at it and didn't see. Thanks Carl!
Tim
On 12/16/2013 8:50 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> ACS has both the single and double side aluminum versions. They are listed
> as different part numbers (09-06016 for double sided). The double side
> makes the most sense as it provides a barrier to getting "stuff" into the
> insulation material.
>
> Carl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
I didn't see a link. I did look at the Foss Thermozite product just now. I
am concerned that the fiber between the foil layers is polyester, from
shredded plastic bottles. I wonder how well that stands up to heat compared
to ceramic materials like fiberfrax. If I could find genuine fiberfrax
sandwiched in foil I would love to add that to the fiberfrax I already
installed.
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>wrote:
>
> Carl, link below has an option to buy it with foil on both sides.
>
> -Sean #40303 (struggling to complete the last 90%)
>
> Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> December 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM
>>
>>
>> Carl,
>> I used almost exactly the same thing. At the time I think it was called
>> Foss Thermozite Plus. But the stuff I got (the "plus") was silver on 2
>> sides. You didn't run across that anywhere, did you? I will probably use
>> it again on the RV-14. I used red RTV to stick it to the side walls
>> and firewall, and it hasn't loosened up at all....that was the benefit
>> to me of the silver on 2 sides. The tape would work too of course, but
>> if I can find the "plus" stuff easily I'll do that.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
- sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
I used a product from Aircraft Spruce called Firewall 2000 Ceramic Blanket:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php
I used a special adhesive to attach it - still holding strong after 2.5 years of
flying. The hardest part is not cutting yourself with the stainless steel foil
side.
On the cockpit side I used Soundex.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415737#415737
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberfrax on the firewall |
I used 1/8" bare fiberfrax on cabin side of fw, tunnel bottom and tunnel fwd. I
used the recommended 2000F glue from ACS. No problems with it coming loose or
tunnel heat. I burn tested a sample and was not overwelmed with outgassing. I
installed an adjustable snap switch limit set to 230F near cowl outlet. It has
went off once cruising at 16,500', full gross, LOP, 6 deg pos pitch(normally
2-3). Assuming thin air heated up more passing cylinders. Knowing you have a
fire should be top priority. Along with switch/led, I have set my fuel flow limit
to 26 gph. Normal on takeoff is 25.6
--------
Wayne G.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415761#415761
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| Subject: | Re: WIng Bolt Check |
I did and would recommend checking at first condition insp or 100 hrs after build
completion.
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Wayne G.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415763#415763
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| Subject: | Re: WIng Bolt Check |
Kind of a belt and suspenders thing. If you properly torqued on final
assembly, and put torque seal on each bolt, to check it you have to
remove the torque seal, and if the nut does not move at proper torque
you haven't learned much. If you really have doubt about the torque, you
need to back off the nut, and bring it back up to proper torque.
Questionable whether you gain much. The wing bolts aren't something that
will work loose with changing forces on the wing, or with temperature
changes. There was a service bulletin to change wing bolts on Bonanzas
and Barons, which were also close tolerance bolts. Found they did more
damage than leaving them alone.
On 12/16/2013 3:04 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I did and would recommend checking at first condition insp or 100 hrs after build
completion.
>
> --------
> Wayne G.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415763#415763
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WIng Bolt Check |
The one thing I can think of is that if the bolt shank was pinched or really tight
during installation, could the nut come to final torque without pulling the
bolt head tight against the spar? After flying, the bolt head could move aft
and now there is no torque?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415772#415772
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| Subject: | Re: WIng Bolt Check |
I'm not there yet so bear with me. The spar bolts, in this
installation, are in shear so I'm having a hard time understanding why
the focus is on the proper torque at some time later .... while the
torque seal is intact.
Kelly, IMHO, got it right the first time .... checking the torque in
this instance doesn't mean diddly unless you back off the nut and
re-torque .... and the exercise hasn't accomplished anything except to
place the mind at ease. It was a waste of worry to begin with.
So, where did I go wrong???
Linn
On 12/16/2013 9:48 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> The one thing I can think of is that if the bolt shank was pinched or really
tight during installation, could the nut come to final torque without pulling
the bolt head tight against the spar? After flying, the bolt head could move aft
and now there is no torque?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415772#415772
>
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