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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: Extended Tankage (Rodger Todd)
2. 03:50 AM - Re: Re: Extended Tankage (Patrick Pulis)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: Re: Extended Tankage (Michael Kraus)
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| Subject: | Re: Extended Tankage |
Thanks everyone for your comments to date.=0A=0AJohn, I was aware of the Tu
rtlepac products and indeed their Drum 66 would seem ideal for the back sea
t except it would mean refuelling within the cabin - the spec they supplied
me several years ago confirmed that the filler tube was too short to route
out of the cabin and I didn't want to alter the cabin top any further to i
nsert some sort of pass through/adaptor for the filler head.--My guess
is that they would extend the filler tube if asked.- However, it's-very
simple-to either use it to refresh the main tanks or as a direct feed to
the engine.=0A- =0AI became seriously-interested in extending the capa
city when I saw what Patrick did with his aircraft and heard his reasoning
- a very nice job it is too but don't tell him - and became inspired when I
read of Ian Pullin's magnificent effort when he flew his RV-6 (or possibly
7) from Jandakot (Perth's GA airport - busiest a/p-in OZ) to the UK and
back earlier this year.- I remember at the time-of its first flight thi
nking-that John Nys' conversion must have been the work of-a mad man.
- However seven, almost 8 years later, here I am actively considering doi
ng something similar. -We enjoy the delight of almost always having perfe
ct flying weather but at the cost of huge distances between alternates.-
This is-the virtual total opposite of the US situation where you have an
alternate every 50 miles but also-what can be pretty dire weather.- In
the Australian situation, this has the effect that unless you are flying up
the populated East Coast
most destinations are near the end of the 10's cruising range.--Our cl
osest way to Asia, for example,-is Port Hedland to Denpasar which-at-
723 nm is right at the limit for a 10 (and then with little reserve) and en
route it's all water full of large scary beasties as well as some small ex
ceptionally scary ones (but they're seasonal!).- Thus to use the full uti
lity of this craft it really needs extra fuel.- It's worth noting that th
e Brazilians ship their factory built 10's with 90 gallons capacity standar
d.- Most of my flying will necessarily be over remote areas so safety and
fuel reserves are my number one priorities.=0A=0AI am still hoping that so
me one who has real world experience will chime in about the fully wet lead
ing edge.- My plan would be to add separate 30 gallon tanks in place of t
he standard outboard leading edge - I don't know how others have done it bu
t I suspect they have created a single 60 gallon tank which I would see as
not optimum.-- As an aside I believe there is someone in Victoria who o
ffers tank conversions so it would be nice to hear from them.=0A=0AThanking
you all,=0A=0ABest Wishes,=0A=0ARodger--=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, 22 Dece
mber 2013, 9:19, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:=0A =0A =0AWe see t
his Australian guy at Oshkosh every year selling these=0A=0A> Subject: RV10
-List: Re: Extended Tankage=0A> From: johngoodman@earthlink.net=0A> Date: S
at, 21 Dec 2013 10:32:52 -0800=0A> To: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> -->
RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>=0A>
=0A> If you're really serious about extra fuel, check this out...=0A> =0A>
http://www.turtlepac.com/en/photo-gallery/aircraft-ferry-tanks.html=0A>
=0A> John=0A> =0A> --------=0A> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.=0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.mat
ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415998#415998=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Extended Tankage |
Rodger
Robert Herring from Mildura, Victoria engineered the extended tank leading e
dge tanks that I have incorporated into my aircraft.
Robert modified my wings (fitted pressed access panels to my bottom skins to
enable me to access the faucet transfer pumps and isolating solenoid) and h
as done all the engineering calculations.
Rob has also designed and built two experimental aircraft of his own design a
nd is a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
The reserve tanks hold 60 litres each (three ribs wide) in the leading edge t
anks, which attach to the wing just like the main tanks using Z-attach brack
ets. We modified the outboard leading edge and cut down a full size inboard
tank leading edge and I fabricated and built the tanks, as Rob hated Prosea
l. I have installed a float sensor in each tank, vents, lockable fuel caps a
nd fuel drains.
As indicated by Rodger they'll be used for going a long way from home and ho
pefully returning on my own fuel, rather than paying some crazy price like $
5.00 per litre for fuel at some remote out station, or having to purchase a f
ull 44 Gallon drum, regardless of the fact that you might not be able to use
the entire 45 Gallons based on limited fuel tank capacity.
Oz is big, fuel is few and far between in the outback and when it is availab
le, you'll pay through the nose for it!
Warm regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.
Safe skies and tailwinds.
Patrick
> On 22 Dec 2013, at 18:55, Rodger Todd <rj_todd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for your comments to date.
>
> John, I was aware of the Turtlepac products and indeed their Drum 66 would
seem ideal for the back seat except it would mean refuelling within the cab
in - the spec they supplied me several years ago confirmed that the filler t
ube was too short to route out of the cabin and I didn't want to alter the c
abin top any further to insert some sort of pass through/adaptor for the fil
ler head. My guess is that they would extend the filler tube if asked. How
ever, it's very simple to either use it to refresh the main tanks or as a di
rect feed to the engine.
>
> I became seriously interested in extending the capacity when I saw what Pa
trick did with his aircraft and heard his reasoning - a very nice job it is t
oo but don't tell him - and became inspired when I read of Ian Pullin's magn
ificent effort when he flew his RV-6 (or possibly 7) from Jandakot (Perth's G
A airport - busiest a/p in OZ) to the UK and back earlier this year. I reme
mber at the time of its first flight thinking that John Nys' conversion must
have been the work of a mad man. However seven, almost 8 years later, here
I am actively considering doing something similar. We enjoy the delight of
almost always having perfect flying weather but at the cost of huge distanc
es between alternates. This is the virtual total opposite of the US situati
on where you have an alternate every 50 miles but also what can be pretty di
re weather. In the Australian situation, this has the effect that unless yo
u are flying up the populated East Coast most destinations are near the end o
f the 10's cruising range. Our closest way to Asia, for example, is Port He
dland to Denpasar which at 723 nm is right at the limit for a 10 (and then w
ith little reserve) and en route it's all water full of large scary beasties
as well as some small exceptionally scary ones (but they're seasonal!). Th
us to use the full utility of this craft it really needs extra fuel. It's w
orth noting that the Brazilians ship their factory built 10's with 90 gallon
s capacity standard. Most of my flying will necessarily be over remote area
s so safety and fuel reserves are my number one priorities.
>
> I am still hoping that some one who has real world experience will chime i
n about the fully wet leading edge. My plan would be to add separate 30 gal
lon tanks in place of the standard outboard leading edge - I don't know how o
thers have done it but I suspect they have created a single 60 gallon tank w
hich I would see as not optimum. As an aside I believe there is someone in
Victoria who offers tank conversions so it would be nice to hear from them.
>
> Thanking you all,
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Rodger
>
>
> On Sunday, 22 December 2013, 9:19, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
> We see this Australian guy at Oshkosh every year selling these
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extended Tankage
> > From: johngoodman@earthlink.net
> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:32:52 -0800
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
t>
> >
> > If you're really serious about extra fuel, check this out...
> >
> > http://www.turtlepac.com/en/photo-gallery/aircraft-ferry-tanks.html
> >
> > John
> >
> > --------
> > #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415998#415998
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Extended Tankage |
Pictures of this set up would be great to share!
-Mike Kraus
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 6:49 AM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wro
te:
>
> Rodger
>
> Robert Herring from Mildura, Victoria engineered the extended tank leading
edge tanks that I have incorporated into my aircraft.
>
> Robert modified my wings (fitted pressed access panels to my bottom skins t
o enable me to access the faucet transfer pumps and isolating solenoid) and h
as done all the engineering calculations.
>
> Rob has also designed and built two experimental aircraft of his own desig
n and is a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
>
> The reserve tanks hold 60 litres each (three ribs wide) in the leading edg
e tanks, which attach to the wing just like the main tanks using Z-attach br
ackets. We modified the outboard leading edge and cut down a full size inbo
ard tank leading edge and I fabricated and built the tanks, as Rob hated Pro
seal. I have installed a float sensor in each tank, vents, lockable fuel cap
s and fuel drains.
>
> As indicated by Rodger they'll be used for going a long way from home and h
opefully returning on my own fuel, rather than paying some crazy price like $
5.00 per litre for fuel at some remote out station, or having to purchase a f
ull 44 Gallon drum, regardless of the fact that you might not be able to use
the entire 45 Gallons based on limited fuel tank capacity.
>
> Oz is big, fuel is few and far between in the outback and when it is avail
able, you'll pay through the nose for it!
>
> Warm regards and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.
>
> Safe skies and tailwinds.
>
> Patrick
>
>> On 22 Dec 2013, at 18:55, Rodger Todd <rj_todd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone for your comments to date.
>>
>> John, I was aware of the Turtlepac products and indeed their Drum 66 woul
d seem ideal for the back seat except it would mean refuelling within the ca
bin - the spec they supplied me several years ago confirmed that the filler t
ube was too short to route out of the cabin and I didn't want to alter the c
abin top any further to insert some sort of pass through/adaptor for the fil
ler head. My guess is that they would extend the filler tube if asked. How
ever, it's very simple to either use it to refresh the main tanks or as a di
rect feed to the engine.
>>
>> I became seriously interested in extending the capacity when I saw what P
atrick did with his aircraft and heard his reasoning - a very nice job it is
too but don't tell him - and became inspired when I read of Ian Pullin's ma
gnificent effort when he flew his RV-6 (or possibly 7) from Jandakot (Perth'
s GA airport - busiest a/p in OZ) to the UK and back earlier this year. I r
emember at the time of its first flight thinking that John Nys' conversion m
ust have been the work of a mad man. However seven, almost 8 years later, h
ere I am actively considering doing something similar. We enjoy the delight
of almost always having perfect flying weather but at the cost of huge dist
ances between alternates. This is the virtual total opposite of the US situ
ation where you have an alternate every 50 miles but also what can be pretty
dire weather. In the Australian situation, this has the effect that unless
you are flying up the populated East Coast most destinations are near the e
nd of the 10's cruising range. Our closest way to Asia, for example, is Por
t Hedland to Denpasar which at 723 nm is right at the limit for a 10 (and th
en with little reserve) and en route it's all water full of large scary beas
ties as well as some small exceptionally scary ones (but they're seasonal!).
Thus to use the full utility of this craft it really needs extra fuel. It
's worth noting that the Brazilians ship their factory built 10's with 90 ga
llons capacity standard. Most of my flying will necessarily be over remote a
reas so safety and fuel reserves are my number one priorities.
>>
>> I am still hoping that some one who has real world experience will chime i
n about the fully wet leading edge. My plan would be to add separate 30 gal
lon tanks in place of the standard outboard leading edge - I don't know how o
thers have done it but I suspect they have created a single 60 gallon tank w
hich I would see as not optimum. As an aside I believe there is someone in
Victoria who offers tank conversions so it would be nice to hear from them.
>>
>> Thanking you all,
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> Rodger
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 December 2013, 9:19, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>> We see this Australian guy at Oshkosh every year selling these
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extended Tankage
>> > From: johngoodman@earthlink.net
>> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:32:52 -0800
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >
et>
>> >
>> > If you're really serious about extra fuel, check this out...
>> >
>> > http://www.turtlepac.com/en/photo-gallery/aircraft-ferry-tanks.html
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > --------
>> > #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415998#415998
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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