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1. 11:33 AM - Rudder lock possible? (Mike Whisky)
2. 12:23 PM - Stick grip (Carlos Trigo)
3. 12:47 PM - Re: Stick grip (Carl Froehlich)
4. 01:01 PM - Re: Stick grip (Jesse Saint)
5. 02:52 PM - RV-10 ride in California (Carlos Trigo)
6. 04:09 PM - Re: Stick grip (Kelly McMullen)
7. 04:43 PM - Re: Stick grip (Bob Leffler)
8. 07:26 PM - Re: Stick grip (Bill Watson)
9. 08:21 PM - Re: Rudder lock possible? (rv10flyer)
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| Subject: | Rudder lock possible? |
Hi,
I posted this at VAF as well but would like to get your opinion as well.
I did a couple days ago a stability test flight to check how the aircraft behaves
when you apply full rudder in climb, cruise and descent with full flaps.
In climb at about 100 kt with wings level I applied slowly more and more right
rudder until I hit the limit. that process took a couple of seconds about approximately
an inch before the limit the rudder got soft and locked aerodynamically.
I immediately gave opposite rudder to go straight again.
My question now is if other experienced this as well, would it come back and I
just need to wait a bit? I guess one is expected to give full rudder more swiftly
and check the behavior then. If you apply it slowly the aircraft is at so
much slip that the bigger part of the rudder is covered by the VS near the end
of its range and only the counter balance gets the airstream, just a guess though.
I replicated this about four times left and right in cruise and climb. Interesting
enough that in landing config at 70kt it did not appear but it might be that
I pressed the rudder more swiftly du to the speed loss when you yaw the aircraft.
Regards
Mike
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Guys
Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you
remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1") to the
stick tube outside diameter (7/8")?
Regards
Carlos
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Assuming you are staying with Van's panel, cut the stick such that the Infin
ity grip is as low as it can go (as in the bottom of the grip is touching th
e weld for the curved portion of the stick).
I got the adapter from Infinity - it came with the grip.
Carl
> On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
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> Guys
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> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you reme
mber how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
>
> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D
) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)?
>
> Regards
> Carlos
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I don't remember how much was cut off, but infinity sells an adapter/spacer t
o make up the difference in diameter.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
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> Guys
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> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you reme
mber how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
>
> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D
) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)?
>
> Regards
> Carlos
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| Subject: | RV-10 ride in California |
Hi
My partner in the RV-10 is now in California, till Jan,4th, and is willing
to have a ride in an RV-10.
Can someone from the San Francisco area, or not very far from there, who
could take him for a ride, please contact me by email.
Thanks
Carlos
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I think you will find that you should not take off the last 1-1.5" of the
vertical part of the stick, so there is something to support the grip. The
other aspect is that you need to make an elevator stop in the tail section
to limit nose down elevator travel to Van's minimum of around 20 degrees.
They allow a tolerance to 25 degrees, but that will have the stick grip
hitting the panel no matter how short you make it. Other choice is to have
the stick curved section bent to a smaller radius, but you are talking
about bending heat treated chrome moly tubing with powder coating on it, so
lots of ways to screw that up.
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote
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> Guys
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> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you
> remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
>
>
> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=94) to
the
> stick tube outside diameter (7/8=94)?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
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If you have an Aerosport panel, you'll want to cut it pretty short. I thin
k I have about an inch below the grip.
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> On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
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> I don't remember how much was cut off, but infinity sells an adapter/space
r to make up the difference in diameter.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote
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>> Guys
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>> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you rem
ember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
>>
>> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D
) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)?
>>
>> Regards
>> Carlos
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I used the Tosten grip (which I like a lot for a couple of reasons - the
Infinity seems great too). My panel is roughly standard. The stick with
the grip definitely interfered with the panel.
I cut it a bit, can't say how much, but more was required.
I bent the sticks in a press to increase the standard curvature. Using
wood blocks it was pretty easy to do but clearly one could go too far
and perhaps start to buckle the sticks. Going slow and checking the
clearance until it just cleared worked great. It's not hard to do. I
requires a simple hydraulic press (think HF). I went and used a
neighbor's press.
Bill
On 12/25/2013 3:23 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
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> Guys
>
> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you
> remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick?
>
> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1") to
> the stick tube outside diameter (7/8")?
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder lock possible? |
Mike Whisky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted this at VAF as well but would like to get your opinion as well.
>
> I did a couple days ago a stability test flight to check how the aircraft behaves
when you apply full rudder in climb, cruise and descent with full flaps.
>
> In climb at about 100 kt with wings level I applied slowly more and more right
rudder until I hit the limit. that process took a couple of seconds about approximately
an inch before the limit the rudder got soft and locked aerodynamically.
I immediately gave opposite rudder to go straight again.
>
> My question now is if other experienced this as well, would it come back and
I just need to wait a bit? I guess one is expected to give full rudder more swiftly
and check the behavior then. If you apply it slowly the aircraft is at so
much slip that the bigger part of the rudder is covered by the VS near the end
of its range and only the counter balance gets the airstream, just a guess
though.
>
> I replicated this about four times left and right in cruise and climb. Interesting
enough that in landing config at 70kt it did not appear but it might be
that I pressed the rudder more swiftly du to the speed loss when you yaw the aircraft.
>
> Regards
> Mike
I did not test that flight regime. Imagine if one flap departed and how your little
ailerons would counter the roll. It happened in a Cherokee one time. He rolled
and ended up losing a wing too.
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