---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/25/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:33 AM - Rudder lock possible? (Mike Whisky) 2. 12:23 PM - Stick grip (Carlos Trigo) 3. 12:47 PM - Re: Stick grip (Carl Froehlich) 4. 01:01 PM - Re: Stick grip (Jesse Saint) 5. 02:52 PM - RV-10 ride in California (Carlos Trigo) 6. 04:09 PM - Re: Stick grip (Kelly McMullen) 7. 04:43 PM - Re: Stick grip (Bob Leffler) 8. 07:26 PM - Re: Stick grip (Bill Watson) 9. 08:21 PM - Re: Rudder lock possible? (rv10flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:03 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Rudder lock possible? From: "Mike Whisky" Hi, I posted this at VAF as well but would like to get your opinion as well. I did a couple days ago a stability test flight to check how the aircraft behaves when you apply full rudder in climb, cruise and descent with full flaps. In climb at about 100 kt with wings level I applied slowly more and more right rudder until I hit the limit. that process took a couple of seconds about approximately an inch before the limit the rudder got soft and locked aerodynamically. I immediately gave opposite rudder to go straight again. My question now is if other experienced this as well, would it come back and I just need to wait a bit? I guess one is expected to give full rudder more swiftly and check the behavior then. If you apply it slowly the aircraft is at so much slip that the bigger part of the rudder is covered by the VS near the end of its range and only the counter balance gets the airstream, just a guess though. I replicated this about four times left and right in cruise and climb. Interesting enough that in landing config at 70kt it did not appear but it might be that I pressed the rudder more swiftly du to the speed loss when you yaw the aircraft. Regards Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying, test phase) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416194#416194 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:42 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RV10-List: Stick grip Guys Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1") to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8")? Regards Carlos ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stick grip From: Carl Froehlich Assuming you are staying with Van's panel, cut the stick such that the Infin ity grip is as low as it can go (as in the bottom of the grip is touching th e weld for the curved portion of the stick). I got the adapter from Infinity - it came with the grip. Carl > On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: > > Guys > > Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you reme mber how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? > > And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D ) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)? > > Regards > Carlos > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stick grip From: Jesse Saint I don't remember how much was cut off, but infinity sells an adapter/spacer t o make up the difference in diameter. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote: > > Guys > > Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you reme mber how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? > > And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D ) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)? > > Regards > Carlos > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:11 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 ride in California Hi My partner in the RV-10 is now in California, till Jan,4th, and is willing to have a ride in an RV-10. Can someone from the San Francisco area, or not very far from there, who could take him for a ride, please contact me by email. Thanks Carlos ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stick grip From: Kelly McMullen I think you will find that you should not take off the last 1-1.5" of the vertical part of the stick, so there is something to support the grip. The other aspect is that you need to make an elevator stop in the tail section to limit nose down elevator travel to Van's minimum of around 20 degrees. They allow a tolerance to 25 degrees, but that will have the stick grip hitting the panel no matter how short you make it. Other choice is to have the stick curved section bent to a smaller radius, but you are talking about bending heat treated chrome moly tubing with powder coating on it, so lots of ways to screw that up. On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote : > Guys > > > Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you > remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? > > > And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=94) to the > stick tube outside diameter (7/8=94)? > > > Regards > > Carlos > > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> =========== =========== > * > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stick grip From: Bob Leffler If you have an Aerosport panel, you'll want to cut it pretty short. I thin k I have about an inch below the grip. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I don't remember how much was cut off, but infinity sells an adapter/space r to make up the difference in diameter. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > www.mavericklsa.com > C: 352-427-0285 > O: 352-465-4545 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Carlos Trigo" wrote : >> >> Guys >> >> Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you rem ember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? >> >> And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1=9D ) to the stick tube outside diameter (7/8=9D)? >> >> Regards >> Carlos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">www.aeroelectric.com >> books.com"">www.buildersbooks.com >> quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com >> quot;">www.mypilotstore.com >> ">www.mrrace.com >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:41 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stick grip I used the Tosten grip (which I like a lot for a couple of reasons - the Infinity seems great too). My panel is roughly standard. The stick with the grip definitely interfered with the panel. I cut it a bit, can't say how much, but more was required. I bent the sticks in a press to increase the standard curvature. Using wood blocks it was pretty easy to do but clearly one could go too far and perhaps start to buckle the sticks. Going slow and checking the clearance until it just cleared worked great. It's not hard to do. I requires a simple hydraulic press (think HF). I went and used a neighbor's press. Bill On 12/25/2013 3:23 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Guys > > Those of you who used the Infinity (military type) stick grip, do you > remember how much tube did you cut to shorten your stick? > > And what did you use to adapt the stick grip internal diameter (1") to > the stick tube outside diameter (7/8")? > > Regards > > Carlos > > * > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:49 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder lock possible? From: "rv10flyer" Mike Whisky wrote: > Hi, > > I posted this at VAF as well but would like to get your opinion as well. > > I did a couple days ago a stability test flight to check how the aircraft behaves when you apply full rudder in climb, cruise and descent with full flaps. > > In climb at about 100 kt with wings level I applied slowly more and more right rudder until I hit the limit. that process took a couple of seconds about approximately an inch before the limit the rudder got soft and locked aerodynamically. I immediately gave opposite rudder to go straight again. > > My question now is if other experienced this as well, would it come back and I just need to wait a bit? I guess one is expected to give full rudder more swiftly and check the behavior then. If you apply it slowly the aircraft is at so much slip that the bigger part of the rudder is covered by the VS near the end of its range and only the counter balance gets the airstream, just a guess though. > > I replicated this about four times left and right in cruise and climb. Interesting enough that in landing config at 70kt it did not appear but it might be that I pressed the rudder more swiftly du to the speed loss when you yaw the aircraft. > > Regards > Mike I did not test that flight regime. Imagine if one flap departed and how your little ailerons would counter the roll. It happened in a Cherokee one time. He rolled and ended up losing a wing too. -------- Wayne G. 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