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1. 12:00 PM - Comp Air Aircraft (Ed Godfrey)
2. 03:06 PM - Advance flight systems (Rob Kermanj)
3. 04:25 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (Bob-tcw)
4. 04:32 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (Kelly McMullen)
5. 04:55 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (Bob Turner)
6. 05:32 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (Carl Froehlich)
7. 05:36 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (Kelly McMullen)
8. 07:27 PM - Re: Advance flight systems (PReid)
9. 08:51 PM - Re: Comp Air Aircraft (Marcus Cooper)
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| Subject: | Comp Air Aircraft |
Listers,
Has anyone purchased an XIO-540-D4A5 from Comp Air Aircraft of
Titusville, FL? I tried looking in the archives and did not find any
information about them.
Ed Godfrey
40717
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| Subject: | Advance flight systems |
Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use for IFR
flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others that you
don't like?
I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly and
practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting approaches?
Thanks in advance.
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| Subject: | Re: Advance flight systems |
I have a three screen AFS system, 2- 4500's and a 3400 in a symmetrical
panel layout. I've been flying the plane for 2 years now and have done a
pretty good amount of IFR work including approaches. I have about 30 hours
in IMC with the plane and really enjoy how the system works. I've primarily
shot GPS approach in actual, both with and without vertical guidance, and
just a few ILS approaches. I feel the AFS system coupled to GNS navigator
and the AFS/tru-trak autopilot have been truly awesome. The display of
information and the organization of the buttons and menus is very intuitive.
I believe those with the 5000 series products have it even better with more
buttons and less menus. Another feature that is really intuitive is the
operation of the autopilot via the knobs on the EFIS, it makes the
operation of the whole system, especially in IMC, quite straight forward.
Lastly, when I designed my panel I thought that a separate screen, (the
3400) primarily for showing the moving map and geo-referenced approach
plates was going to be very useful. I now think of it as essential. In
terms of situational awareness, I think the center screen is one of the
best tools going. I also have Navworx ADS displaying weather and traffic
on the center screen. Flying in the Northeast with traffic on screen is
spectacular.
Lastly, I installed the AFS AOA system when I built the plane but did not
turn it on during the first year of flying, I had never used AOA before and
just wasn't ready to wrap my head around another gizmo. Then I turned it
on and calibrated it. I'm now a AOA evangelist. It totally changed
(improved) how I flew and especially landed the plane. Since the RV-10 has
such a wide range of capability from single pilot and unloaded to super
fully loaded with all seats occupied, knowing exactly where you are with
respect to lift reserve is just huge. My advice, if you don't have it, get
it, if you got it, turn it ON!
In my RV-8 I'll use AFS gear again.
Bob Newman
N541RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Kermanj
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Advance flight systems
Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use for
IFR flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others
that you don't like?
I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly
and practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting
approaches?
Thanks in advance.
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| Subject: | Re: Advance flight systems |
I have no experience with the system other than having Rob Hickman
demonstrate at airshows.
I like the ability to switch between an EFIS display and a conventional
six pack(for cross training or individual preference). I like the
ability to display the approach plates. AFS and Dynon have the latter
capability.
I think the main features to look for is how user friendly the
menu/buttons and other controls are, how sharp the display is, does it
have features you want like angle of attack, screen layout, etc. and
what nav source inputs it will display. Lastly, what is the cost to
update its databases. The latter is pretty much a deal killer for the
Garmin displays, IMHO, while most of the others are more reasonable.
Lastly, how does the autopilot interface with the EFIS and what does
that add to the cost. Between Grand Rapids, AFS and Dynon these days
mostly a personal choice on displays, buttons, features and menus, they
all are good and fairly price competitive.
On 1/18/2014 4:05 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use for
IFR flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others that
you don't like?
>
> I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly and
practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting approaches?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advance flight systems |
I agree with Kelly. Remember that nearly everyone, including myself, thinks that
their choices were the best choices! Best you can do is educate yourself as
much as possible, then make YOUR choice.
(BTW GRT will display approach plates)
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417146#417146
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| Subject: | Advance flight systems |
Good discussion. The other aspect to overlay on selection is one's
confidence the company will be there in the long run. Dynon and Grand
Rapids have the most market share and equally important I can report they
both have superb after the sale service.
Carl
Dual Dynon SkyView and just got my IFR check ride in the RV-10. The SkyView
will go into the upcoming RV-8 project as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advance flight systems
I have no experience with the system other than having Rob Hickman
demonstrate at airshows.
I like the ability to switch between an EFIS display and a conventional six
pack(for cross training or individual preference). I like the ability to
display the approach plates. AFS and Dynon have the latter capability.
I think the main features to look for is how user friendly the menu/buttons
and other controls are, how sharp the display is, does it have features you
want like angle of attack, screen layout, etc. and what nav source inputs it
will display. Lastly, what is the cost to update its databases. The latter
is pretty much a deal killer for the Garmin displays, IMHO, while most of
the others are more reasonable.
Lastly, how does the autopilot interface with the EFIS and what does that
add to the cost. Between Grand Rapids, AFS and Dynon these days mostly a
personal choice on displays, buttons, features and menus, they all are good
and fairly price competitive.
On 1/18/2014 4:05 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use
for IFR flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others
that you don't like?
>
> I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly
and practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting
approaches?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advance flight systems |
Keep in mind that AFS is now a Dynon subsidiary, so I expect support
will be around for AFS, Dynon and Grand Rapids for quite awhile.
Nothing wrong with Garmin either, although I find their menus less
friendly and their database update pricing obscene.
On 1/18/2014 6:31 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> Good discussion. The other aspect to overlay on selection is one's
> confidence the company will be there in the long run. Dynon and Grand
> Rapids have the most market share and equally important I can report they
> both have superb after the sale service.
>
> Carl
> Dual Dynon SkyView and just got my IFR check ride in the RV-10. The SkyView
> will go into the upcoming RV-8 project as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:32 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advance flight systems
>
>
> I have no experience with the system other than having Rob Hickman
> demonstrate at airshows.
> I like the ability to switch between an EFIS display and a conventional six
> pack(for cross training or individual preference). I like the ability to
> display the approach plates. AFS and Dynon have the latter capability.
> I think the main features to look for is how user friendly the menu/buttons
> and other controls are, how sharp the display is, does it have features you
> want like angle of attack, screen layout, etc. and what nav source inputs it
> will display. Lastly, what is the cost to update its databases. The latter
> is pretty much a deal killer for the Garmin displays, IMHO, while most of
> the others are more reasonable.
> Lastly, how does the autopilot interface with the EFIS and what does that
> add to the cost. Between Grand Rapids, AFS and Dynon these days mostly a
> personal choice on displays, buttons, features and menus, they all are good
> and fairly price competitive.
>
> On 1/18/2014 4:05 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>> Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use
> for IFR flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others
> that you don't like?
>> I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly
> and practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting
> approaches?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advance flight systems |
There are some advantages to both the AFS and Dynon. AFS is using the sky net system
used on the synonym.
Me I would buy Dynon again, even if AFS has better synvis, simply put the support
and attention to the comments of the users is huge for Dynon.
I flew 1 hr into the sun today. I ended up flying strictly from the panel and let
flight following keep traffic away, the Dynon literally can fly one into the
final 100 feet from the runway just from the synvis. Very different from the
state of the art HSI we had in our Vietnam era helos. Had to think back in those
days.
Pascal
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good discussion. The other aspect to overlay on selection is one's
> confidence the company will be there in the long run. Dynon and Grand
> Rapids have the most market share and equally important I can report they
> both have superb after the sale service.
>
> Carl
> Dual Dynon SkyView and just got my IFR check ride in the RV-10. The SkyView
> will go into the upcoming RV-8 project as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:32 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advance flight systems
>
>
> I have no experience with the system other than having Rob Hickman
> demonstrate at airshows.
> I like the ability to switch between an EFIS display and a conventional six
> pack(for cross training or individual preference). I like the ability to
> display the approach plates. AFS and Dynon have the latter capability.
> I think the main features to look for is how user friendly the menu/buttons
> and other controls are, how sharp the display is, does it have features you
> want like angle of attack, screen layout, etc. and what nav source inputs it
> will display. Lastly, what is the cost to update its databases. The latter
> is pretty much a deal killer for the Garmin displays, IMHO, while most of
> the others are more reasonable.
> Lastly, how does the autopilot interface with the EFIS and what does that
> add to the cost. Between Grand Rapids, AFS and Dynon these days mostly a
> personal choice on displays, buttons, features and menus, they all are good
> and fairly price competitive.
>
>> On 1/18/2014 4:05 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>> Anyone with Advanced flight systems EFIS that can comment about it's use
> for IFR flight and approaches? Features that you think are great and others
> that you don't like?
>>
>> I have watched some of the videos and am looking to find how user friendly
> and practical the system is. Anything that trips you while shooting
> approaches?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comp Air Aircraft |
I'm not sure they are still in business, I spent months trying to research them
about a 6+ seat homebuilt and came up empty. Please post if you find anything.
Marcus
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Ed Godfrey <egodfrey@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>
> Listers,
> Has anyone purchased an XIO-540-D4A5 from Comp Air Aircraft of Titusville,
FL? I tried looking in the archives and did not find any information about them.
>
> Ed Godfrey
> 40717
>
>
>
>
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