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1. 02:33 AM - Re: turf runways (Michael Kraus)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: turf runways (johngoodman)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: turf runways (Rob Kermanj)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: turf runways (Alan Mekler)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: turf runways (Timothy Meyer)
6. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: turf runways (Marcus Cooper)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: turf runways (Marcus Cooper)
8. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: turf runways (Kelly McMullen)
9. 06:48 AM - Re: turf runways (speckter@comcast.net)
10. 06:49 AM - Re: turf runways (Don McDonald)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: turf runways (Dan Masys)
12. 10:55 AM - Re: turf runways (johngoodman)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: turf runways (Jae Chang)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: turf runways (rv10flyer)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: turf runways (johngoodman)
16. 06:28 PM - Re: turf runways (rv10flyer)
17. 07:46 PM - RV project (Rick Lark)
18. 10:12 PM - Relocating the fuel filter (bob88)
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I live on a 2200' grass runway. When I built my -10 I raised the wheel pants a
little higher, maybe an extra 3/4-1" is all I could get. I also made the clearance
around the wheel approximately 1" all the way around. I've had no issues
and no wheel pant damage so far in 3 years and ~270 hours.
-Mike Kraus
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> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so little clearance
below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience others have
had? Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and conditions
do you require?
> I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next few years
and not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
Go Pantless, like I did.
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
The bottom of my wheel pants are left with primer color only due to rubbing against
grass. However it is not visible unless you are removing the wheel pants.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> We're talking grass here. If the grass is long enough to cause damage to the
pants it's probably long enough to prevent you getting in the air.
> The thing that destroys the pants are vibrations from many operations on a rough
runway. Drive a car down the runway .... at 40 MPH or more you'll feel roughness.
> Linn ..... lots of ops on grass strips
>
>> On 1/26/2014 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 wrote:
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>> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so little clearance
below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience others have
had? Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and conditions
do you require?
>> I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next few years
and not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I took my pants off for winter. It costs me about 8 kts but necessary to avoid
damage.
Alan
N668G
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> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The bottom of my wheel pants are left with primer color only due to rubbing against
grass. However it is not visible unless you are removing the wheel pants.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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>>
>> We're talking grass here. If the grass is long enough to cause damage to the
pants it's probably long enough to prevent you getting in the air.
>> The thing that destroys the pants are vibrations from many operations on a rough
runway. Drive a car down the runway .... at 40 MPH or more you'll feel roughness.
>> Linn ..... lots of ops on grass strips
>>
>>> On 1/26/2014 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so little
clearance below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience others have
had? Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and conditions
do you require?
>>> I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next few years
and not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
Doesn't that get cold without your pants on in winter;-)?
On Monday, January 27, 2014, Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
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> I took my pants off for winter. It costs me about 8 kts but necessary to
> avoid damage.
> Alan
> N668G
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
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> > The bottom of my wheel pants are left with primer color only due to
> rubbing against grass. However it is not visible unless you are removing
> the wheel pants.
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > Rob Kermanj
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> We're talking grass here. If the grass is long enough to cause damage
> to the pants it's probably long enough to prevent you getting in the air.
> >> The thing that destroys the pants are vibrations from many operations
> on a rough runway. Drive a car down the runway .... at 40 MPH or more
> you'll feel roughness.
> >> Linn ..... lots of ops on grass strips
> >>
> >>> On 1/26/2014 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so
> little clearance below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience
> others have had? Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria
> and conditions do you require?
> >>> I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next
> few years and not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure
> open the opportunities.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Marcus
> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I thought about that but just can't do it. 7 years with pants on has me used to
them.
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Go Pantless, like I did.
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
Thanks for all of the replies, seems like I've been overly cautious and will give
it a try given favorable conditions.
Thanks again,
Marcus
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> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The bottom of my wheel pants are left with primer color only due to rubbing against
grass. However it is not visible unless you are removing the wheel pants.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We're talking grass here. If the grass is long enough to cause damage to the
pants it's probably long enough to prevent you getting in the air.
>> The thing that destroys the pants are vibrations from many operations on a rough
runway. Drive a car down the runway .... at 40 MPH or more you'll feel roughness.
>> Linn ..... lots of ops on grass strips
>>
>>> On 1/26/2014 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so little
clearance below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience others have
had? Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and conditions
do you require?
>>> I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next few years
and not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
What might seem counter-intuitive, in the desert Southwest, pants are
needed for engine cooling.
The added drag and lower airspeed reduces air over the engine, resulting
in hotter temps.
I've forgotten how much Deems said his temps came down after he added
wheel pants, and I seem to recall the speed penalty was over 10 kts
without the pants. Currently planning on doing pants during phase 1, and
not before first flight.
On 1/27/2014 7:34 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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> I thought about that but just can't do it. 7 years with pants on has me used
to them.
>
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>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> Go Pantless, like I did.
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>> --------
>> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417667#417667
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I operate almost exclusively off of grass. I have had some issues with vibration
causing the mounting hardware to shake loose. I solved that with Sean's spacer
for the mains. The only other thing I notice is a very slow erosion of paint
on the bottoms. You need to watch out for ant mounds and gopher holes though.
The 10 works great on grass.
Gary Specketer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cooprv7" <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:48:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: turf runways
I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so little clearance
below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience others have had?
Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and conditions do
you require?
I'm interested in moving to an Airpark (probably TN) in the next few years and
not having to limit the search to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
Just make sure you can get your fingers between the tire and the pants all
the way around (and make sure that is STILL the case when you replace the t
ires).- Also, when landing on grass increase the inflation by 5 or so pou
nds, you'll be just fine.- Landed at Cedar Mill TX 3 times, Johnson Creek
ID about 12 times, and Smiley Creek ID twice.... neither I, or any of the
RV'rs in the group have ever had a wheel pant issue.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Monda
y, January 27, 2014 8:39 AM, Timothy Meyer <tgmeyerster@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A =0ADoesn't that get cold without your pants on in winter;-)?=0A=0AOn Mo
nday, January 27, 2014, Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:=0A=0A-->
RV10-List message posted by: Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net>=0A>=0A>I
took my pants off for winter. It costs me about 8 kts but necessary to avoi
d damage.=0A>Alan=0A>N668G=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPad=0A>=0A>> On Jan 27, 201
4, at 8:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>> --> RV10-L
ist message posted by: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>=0A>>=0A>> The botto
m of my wheel pants are left with primer color only due to rubbing against
grass. -However it is not visible unless you are removing the wheel pants
.=0A>>=0A>> Do not archive.=0A>>=0A>> Rob Kermanj=0A>> Sent from my iPhone
=0A>>=0A>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.c
g-nut@cfl.rr.com>=0A>>>=0A>>> We're talking grass here. -If the grass is
long enough to cause damage to the pants it's probably long enough to preve
nt you getting in the air.=0A>>> The thing that destroys the pants are vibr
ations from many operations on a rough runway. -Drive a car down the runw
ay .... at 40 MPH or more you'll feel roughness.=0A>>> Linn ..... lots of o
ps on grass strips=0A>>>=0A>>>> On 1/26/2014 10:48 PM, Cooprv7 wrote:=0A>>>
> I have steered clear of grass runways in my RV-10 since there is so littl
e clearance below the wheelpants, but I was wondering what experience other
s have had? -Those of you who fly off of grass, what sort of criteria and
conditions do you require?=0A>>>> - -I'm interested in moving to an Ai
rpark (probably TN) in the next few years and not having to limit the searc
h to paved runways would sure open the opportunities.=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Thanks,
=0A>>>> Marcus=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> -----=0A>>>
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I operate my RV-10 in and out of a turf runway at my residential airpark on
a regular basis (WN29 - see
http://www.blueribbonfarmsassociation.com/airstrip.shtml ) and it is a fine
performer. Occasionally the wheel pants get a little ding on the bottom,
but it is not from the grass but rather crossing ruts made by others. The
RV-10 has such a luxurious amount of power that even soft turf runways are
not a problem unless you combine that with high altitude, short field, and
obstacles that would make a Maule driver have second thoughts.
And if you EVER DRIVE A CAR down our turf runway, especially at high speed,
there is going to be an angry mob taking photos and chasing you out of town.
Don't do it unless it is your privately owned turf runway.
-Dan Masys
RV10 N104LD - 660 hrs
RV12 N122LD - 180 hrs
> Time: 07:58:39 PM PST US
> From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: turf runways
> We're talking grass here. If the grass is long enough to cause damage
> to the pants it's probably long enough to prevent you getting in the air.
> The thing that destroys the pants are vibrations from many operations on
> a rough runway. Drive a car down the runway .... at 40 MPH or more
> you'll feel roughness.
> Linn ..... lots of ops on grass strips
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
No chance of damaging these pants... [Wink]
John
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
Looks nice. Normally, the gear fairing is held in place by the lower
pant. How did you keep the gear fairings in place without the pants?
Jae
do not archive
On 1/27/2014 10:54 AM, johngoodman wrote:
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> No chance of damaging these pants... [Wink]
>
> John
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First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
I have flown into SC00 Triple Tree SC twice. We sat watching everyones pants shake
like crazy and that runway is supposedly golf course smooth. If I lived on
a grass strip I would beef up wheel pant mounts(switch to stainless) and fiberglass
or just remove them.
Maybe we will hear from Bill "Living the life in an airpark with turf" Watson.
He might have to put some snow skis on this week.
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Wayne G.
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
jchang10 wrote:
> Looks nice. Normally, the gear fairing is held in place by the lower
> pant. How did you keep the gear fairings in place without the pants?
>
> Jae
>
They actually stay on just fine. They are attached at the top, and the only thing
I did different is taper them down as far as I could. They actually stay in
place without any special work on the bottom. The nose strut is even easier,
it already has screws to hold it in place. I did have to change the piano hinge
set up on the mains - a pin to go up, and a pin to go down.
Without the pant brackets, and with hub caps, there's not much drag to worry about.
John
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| Subject: | Re: turf runways |
johngoodman wrote:
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> jchang10 wrote:
> > Looks nice. Normally, the gear fairing is held in place by the lower
> > pant. How did you keep the gear fairings in place without the pants?
> >
> > Jae
> >
>
>
> They actually stay on just fine. They are attached at the top, and the only thing
I did different is taper them down as far as I could. They actually stay
in place without any special work on the bottom. The nose strut is even easier,
it already has screws to hold it in place. I did have to change the piano hinge
set up on the mains - a pin to go up, and a pin to go down.
> Without the pant brackets, and with hub caps, there's not much drag to worry
about.
>
> John
What you lose in speed/time, guessing...6 kias/15 min per long xc would be nothing
compared to time and materials repairing broke pants on a grass strip. I would
take my pants off in a heartbeat to save $170/mo hangar rent and walk out
to my hangar.
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Wayne G.
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Hey all
I'm in Cocoa Beach FL for the next 4 weeks, and am looking possibly for a bit of
a deversion from my time away, from the Canadian winter. I have a 75% completed
RV 10 at home, so I have a little experience pounding rivets. If anyone
in the area could use some help please contact me (doesn't have to be an RV10
project).
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
(Cocoa Beach at present)
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| Subject: | Relocating the fuel filter |
It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be beyond inconvenient
when inspection time comes around. What about two fuel filters, one on each
side, in a more convenient location such as under pilot/copilot seat or the
wing attach area? Any major reasons NOT to do this?
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