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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Bob Leffler)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Carl Froehlich)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Bob Leffler)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Bob Condrey)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Kelly McMullen)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Tim Olson)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Linn Walters)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Kelly McMullen)
9. 09:50 AM - Re: Relocating the fuel filter (Linn Walters)
10. 11:35 AM - Re: FS REM38E Spark Plugs (Barry)
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
I can't comment on any reasons to why not to relocate the fuel filter. It's not
my area of expertise.
I can share with you that if you put an access panel on the side of the tunnel,
taking the filter out isn't a big deal. I've taken mine out twice with out removing
the top tunnel cover. Some folks have gone as far as putting an access
panel on both sides.
David Ward sells a kit for this and in less than a half hour, you can have it installed.
It's not rocket science, so it's also not that big of deal to fabricate
your own parts too. It only takes me 5-10 minutes to remove the fuel filter.
Another key benefit is being able to inspect the forward part of the tunnel with
out having to take everything apart. This is important for those of us that
have center consoles install.
Bob
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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:11 AM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be beyond inconvenient
when inspection time comes around. What about two fuel filters, one on each
side, in a more convenient location such as under pilot/copilot seat or the
wing attach area? Any major reasons NOT to do this?
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the tunnel cover be
removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling the fuel filter if mounted
in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
I found that the tunnel cover itself needs to be shortened to allow more clearance
with tubing and such on the forward end. The cover is shorten enough so that
I don't use the most forward screws. This one thing makes the cover removal/install
much easier.
Carl
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
>
> I can't comment on any reasons to why not to relocate the fuel filter. It's
not my area of expertise.
>
> I can share with you that if you put an access panel on the side of the tunnel,
taking the filter out isn't a big deal. I've taken mine out twice with out
removing the top tunnel cover. Some folks have gone as far as putting an access
panel on both sides.
>
> David Ward sells a kit for this and in less than a half hour, you can have it
installed. It's not rocket science, so it's also not that big of deal to fabricate
your own parts too. It only takes me 5-10 minutes to remove the fuel
filter.
>
> Another key benefit is being able to inspect the forward part of the tunnel with
out having to take everything apart. This is important for those of us
that have center consoles install.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:11 AM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be beyond inconvenient
when inspection time comes around. What about two fuel filters, one on
each side, in a more convenient location such as under pilot/copilot seat or the
wing attach area? Any major reasons NOT to do this?
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417743#417743
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
There are more than one way to skin a cat......
The access panels allow me to inspect everything forward of the fuel valve. I
can easily remove the filter and pump through this opening.
I cut my cover at the fuel valve as to not require removing the forward cover unless
something I find dictates it.
For those of use that have center consoles, this allows us the flexibility of leaving
the stack in place during an inspection.
I then only have to remove the section aft of the cut.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the tunnel cover be
removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling the fuel filter if mounted
in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
I found that the tunnel cover itself needs to be shortened to allow more clearance
with tubing and such on the forward end. The cover is shorten enough so that
I don't use the most forward screws. This one thing makes the cover removal/install
much easier.
Carl
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
>
> I can't comment on any reasons to why not to relocate the fuel filter. It's
not my area of expertise.
>
> I can share with you that if you put an access panel on the side of the tunnel,
taking the filter out isn't a big deal. I've taken mine out twice with out
removing the top tunnel cover. Some folks have gone as far as putting an access
panel on both sides.
>
> David Ward sells a kit for this and in less than a half hour, you can have it
installed. It's not rocket science, so it's also not that big of deal to fabricate
your own parts too. It only takes me 5-10 minutes to remove the fuel
filter.
>
> Another key benefit is being able to inspect the forward part of the tunnel with
out having to take everything apart. This is important for those of us
that have center consoles install.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:11 AM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be beyond inconvenient
when inspection time comes around. What about two fuel filters, one on
each side, in a more convenient location such as under pilot/copilot seat or the
wing attach area? Any major reasons NOT to do this?
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417743#417743
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Another consideration is that the stock location is downstream of the
shutoff valve. If the filters are upstream of the shutoff valve you'll
have to deal with that also.
Bob
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> There are more than one way to skin a cat......
>
> The access panels allow me to inspect everything forward of the fuel
> valve. I can easily remove the filter and pump through this opening.
>
> I cut my cover at the fuel valve as to not require removing the forward
> cover unless something I find dictates it.
>
> For those of use that have center consoles, this allows us the flexibility
> of leaving the stack in place during an inspection.
>
> I then only have to remove the section aft of the cut.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the tunnel
> cover be removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling the fuel filter
> if mounted in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
>
> I found that the tunnel cover itself needs to be shortened to allow more
> clearance with tubing and such on the forward end. The cover is shorten
> enough so that I don't use the most forward screws. This one thing makes
> the cover removal/install much easier.
>
> Carl
>
> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't comment on any reasons to why not to relocate the fuel filter.
> It's not my area of expertise.
> >
> > I can share with you that if you put an access panel on the side of the
> tunnel, taking the filter out isn't a big deal. I've taken mine out twice
> with out removing the top tunnel cover. Some folks have gone as far as
> putting an access panel on both sides.
> >
> > David Ward sells a kit for this and in less than a half hour, you can
> have it installed. It's not rocket science, so it's also not that big of
> deal to fabricate your own parts too. It only takes me 5-10 minutes to
> remove the fuel filter.
> >
> > Another key benefit is being able to inspect the forward part of the
> tunnel with out having to take everything apart. This is important for
> those of us that have center consoles install.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:11 AM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be beyond
> inconvenient when inspection time comes around. What about two fuel
> filters, one on each side, in a more convenient location such as under
> pilot/copilot seat or the wing attach area? Any major reasons NOT to do
> this?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417743#417743
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Well, what does or doesn't need to be removed for the annual condition
inspection is dictated by what access panels exist to allow inspection
of components.
If a side panel access is installed, there is no reason that the tunnel
cover would ever need to be removed. Since I and a few others have Paul
Grimstead's Control Approach rudder pedal system, which puts the rudder
control arms through the tunnel cover, cover removal would involve
disassembly of a primary control system, something that should be
avoided for routine inspections. Thus a side panel access cover is
needed in my particular "modified" RV-10.
Keep in mind that what does or doesn't need to be inspected is
governed solely by Part 43 Appendix D, not some one's arbitrary annual
check list.
As to one filter or two, keep in mind that many type certified aircraft
do not have any filter between the tanks and the fuel servo inlet, and
if they do have one, it is often placed downstream of the boost pump,
rather than upstream as Van's has it. While filters could be put at the
wing roots, that means twice the work to service, and you would need to
be careful to locate well clear of the aileron pushrods travel.
Kelly
On 1/28/2014 4:54 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the tunnel cover
be removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling the fuel filter if mounted
in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Also, any debris like o-rings and such that the valve throws off
will no longer be filtered. I came to the conclusion that
the filter was positioned in a decent place, and that after checking
it a few times and finding nothing, I was just going to stretch out
my inspection interval of that filter, and make it somewhat also
reliant on what I find in my regular sumpings of the tanks.
The access panel is about all I'd bother doing to improve things.
Tim
On 1/28/2014 8:20 AM, Bob Condrey wrote:
> Another consideration is that the stock location is downstream of the
> shutoff valve. If the filters are upstream of the shutoff valve you'll
> have to deal with that also.
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>
> There are more than one way to skin a cat......
>
> The access panels allow me to inspect everything forward of the fuel
> valve. I can easily remove the filter and pump through this opening.
>
> I cut my cover at the fuel valve as to not require removing the
> forward cover unless something I find dictates it.
>
> For those of use that have center consoles, this allows us the
> flexibility of leaving the stack in place during an inspection.
>
> I then only have to remove the section aft of the cut.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Carl Froehlich
> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>>
>
> Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the
> tunnel cover be removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling
> the fuel filter if mounted in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
>
> I found that the tunnel cover itself needs to be shortened to allow
> more clearance with tubing and such on the forward end. The cover
> is shorten enough so that I don't use the most forward screws. This
> one thing makes the cover removal/install much easier.
>
> Carl
>
> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
> >
> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
> >
> > I can't comment on any reasons to why not to relocate the fuel
> filter. It's not my area of expertise.
> >
> > I can share with you that if you put an access panel on the side
> of the tunnel, taking the filter out isn't a big deal. I've taken
> mine out twice with out removing the top tunnel cover. Some folks
> have gone as far as putting an access panel on both sides.
> >
> > David Ward sells a kit for this and in less than a half hour, you
> can have it installed. It's not rocket science, so it's also not
> that big of deal to fabricate your own parts too. It only takes me
> 5-10 minutes to remove the fuel filter.
> >
> > Another key benefit is being able to inspect the forward part of
> the tunnel with out having to take everything apart. This is
> important for those of us that have center consoles install.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:11 AM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net
> <mailto:marty.crooks@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >>
> <marty.crooks@comcast.net <mailto:marty.crooks@comcast.net>>
> >>
> >> It looks to me that the Vans fuel filter in the tunnel will be
> beyond inconvenient when inspection time comes around. What about
> two fuel filters, one on each side, in a more convenient location
> such as under pilot/copilot seat or the wing attach area? Any major
> reasons NOT to do this?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417743#417743
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
On 1/28/2014 9:38 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Well, what does or doesn't need to be removed for the annual condition
> inspection is dictated by what access panels exist to allow inspection
> of components.
> If a side panel access is installed, there is no reason that the
> tunnel cover would ever need to be removed. Since I and a few others
> have Paul Grimstead's Control Approach rudder pedal system, which puts
> the rudder control arms through the tunnel cover, cover removal would
> involve disassembly of a primary control system, something that should
> be avoided for routine inspections. Thus a side panel access cover is
> needed in my particular "modified" RV-10.
I modified the rudder pedals to go through the side of the tunnel
instead of through the cover. I also have a console from the tunnel
cover up to the bottom of the instrument panel that will have to be
removed so the side access panel is a really good mod .... that I'll do.
> Keep in mind that what does or doesn't need to be inspected is
> governed solely by Part 43 Appendix D, not some one's arbitrary annual
> check list.
I'd use the word 'guided' rather than 'governed' unless things have
changed since I built my Pitts years ago. You can't go wrong using Part
43 liberally in our homebuilts.
>
> As to one filter or two, keep in mind that many type certified
> aircraft do not have any filter between the tanks and the fuel servo
> inlet, and if they do have one, it is often placed downstream of the
> boost pump, rather than upstream as Van's has it. While filters could
> be put at the wing roots, that means twice the work to service, and
> you would need to be careful to locate well clear of the aileron
> pushrods travel.
The Vans filter fits nicely under the seats ...... between the tunnel
and the fuselage side. I still might do that instead of the access panel.
Linn
> Kelly
>
> On 1/28/2014 4:54 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>
>> Another way to look at this - the annual inspection requires the
>> tunnel cover be removed anyway. Once the cover is removed pulling
>> the fuel filter if mounted in the per-plan location is fairly easy.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Well, your Pitts probably had older operating limits language than what
is standard today. While a plane today could have different language, my
understanding of the standard ops limits requires you to use Part 43
Appendix D as a "minimum" checklist, same as it is for type certified
aircraft. You can do a more thorough, more detailed checklist, but not
less than Appendix D. One of the few sections of Part 43 that applies to
amateur built aircraft.
On 1/28/2014 8:15 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that what does or doesn't need to be inspected is
>> governed solely by Part 43 Appendix D, not some one's arbitrary
>> annual check list.
> I'd use the word 'guided' rather than 'governed' unless things have
> changed since I built my Pitts years ago. You can't go wrong using
> Part 43 liberally in our homebuilts.
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| Subject: | Re: Relocating the fuel filter |
Thanks Kelly. It's taken me 35 years to get back to building ...... I
have a lot of catching up to do!!!
Linn
On 1/28/2014 10:22 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Well, your Pitts probably had older operating limits language than
> what is standard today. While a plane today could have different
> language, my understanding of the standard ops limits requires you to
> use Part 43 Appendix D as a "minimum" checklist, same as it is for
> type certified aircraft. You can do a more thorough, more detailed
> checklist, but not less than Appendix D. One of the few sections of
> Part 43 that applies to amateur built aircraft.
>
> On 1/28/2014 8:15 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>
>>> Keep in mind that what does or doesn't need to be inspected is
>>> governed solely by Part 43 Appendix D, not some one's arbitrary
>>> annual check list.
>> I'd use the word 'guided' rather than 'governed' unless things have
>> changed since I built my Pitts years ago. You can't go wrong using
>> Part 43 liberally in our homebuilts.
>
>
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