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1. 01:13 AM - Re: rapco pads (Alan Mekler MD)
2. 01:18 AM - Re: rapco pads (Alan Mekler MD)
3. 04:13 AM - Re: rapco pads (Tim Olson)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: rapco pads (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: rapco pads (Tim Olson)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: rapco pads (Don McDonald)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: rapco pads (Alan Mekler MD)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: rapco pads (Danny Riggs)
9. 08:36 AM - AOG in Santa Barbara (Dave Saylor)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: rapco pads (Carl Froehlich)
11. 09:31 AM - Re: rapco pads (Bill Watson)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: rapco pads (Bob Turner)
13. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: rapco pads (Alan Mekler MD)
14. 01:55 PM - Re: rapco pads (Rene Felker)
15. 02:45 PM - Re: rapco pads ()
16. 03:08 PM - Re: rapco pads (dmaib@me.com)
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Not that i know of
Heated hangar in new hampshire
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Those don't look so good. Are there any strange environmental
> situations that you store or fly the airplane in?
> I've had Rapco pads for about the last 3 or so changes now,
> and they really look just like the Cleaveland ones pretty much
> when they're worn down....and they have worked well almost
> all the way down to the rivets. So I'm curious if there is
> some strange environmental things going on.
>
> Tim
>
>> On 2/11/2014 7:00 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>
>>> no i didnt build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have
>>> built and own RVs.
>>> alan
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com
>>> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very
>>>> nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didnt
>>>> build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many
>>>> planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good
>>>> for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and
>>>> they too were very well work through.
>>>> pascal
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:16 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>>>>
>>>> Being experimental, it is your choice to take his advise or ignore it.
>>>> Looks are not one of my criteria.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2014 5:54 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>> kelly,
>>>>> pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didnt like the the way
>>>>> they looked.
>>>>> alan
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in
>>>>>> the form of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove
>>>>>> the 5606 can resurect a pad if there is enough thickness to
>>>>>> justify. Also, if you decide to replace, just do the caliper that
>>>>>> needs pads. No need to do the other side.
>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>> A&P/IA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Alan Mekler MD
>>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>>>>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>>>>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak
>>>>>> and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore
>>>>>> unevenly. My regular mechanic said to replace them.
>>>>>> Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
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The disc looks fine
This was my first set of rapcos installed in may
Wll send the pictures to rapco.
This was the left side
If it wasn't for the caliber leaking i won't have found this. Brakes worked f
ine.
Didn't check the right side.
Will probably wait to annual in may.
Alan
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> On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:46 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
> what does the brake disc look like? these look like they are relatively u
nused but almost like something effected them. Replacing was a good call, bu
t what caused this that may do the same thing to the new pads?
> BTW- I did not mean any disrespect to the A&P, I was simply mentioning th
at I don=99t always trust what they tell me about my airplane. in this
case he made a good call. It=99s not the Rapco its something the pads
are reacting to is my guess.
> I would send this picture to Rapco and get their feedback.
> Pascal
>
> From: Alan Mekler MD
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>
> <IMG_0361.jpg>
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote
:
>>
>>
>> no i didn=99t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps hav
e built and own RVs.
>> alan
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nice
ly and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn=99t build
the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes goin
g down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I r
eplaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well wo
rk through.
>>> pascal
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:16 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>>
>>>
>>> Being experimental, it is your choice to take his advise or ignore it.
>>> Looks are not one of my criteria.
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2014 5:54 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>> kelly,
>>>> pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didn=99t like the the w
ay they looked.
>>>> alan
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com <mailto
:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in the f
orm of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove the 5606 can r
esurect a pad if there is enough thickness to justify. Also, if you decide t
o replace, just do the caliper that needs pads. No need to do the other side
.
>>>>> Kelly
>>>>> A&P/IA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
<mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>>>
>>>>> well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak
>>>>> and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore
>>>>> unevenly. My regular mechanic said to replace them.
>>>>> Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
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nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so bad. It'
ll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side that didn't have
that issue when you finally wear them out.
Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for many yea
rs and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as others, so I'd b
e surprised if there was a material problem. I even bought them years ago fo
r my certified plane. They're just "new" to us in RV10 land because it was a
more uncommon model of pad that they didn't make back when the rv10 was bor
n. The material isn't different than the material they've used for years th
ough.
Tim
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>
>
> The disc looks fine
> This was my first set of rapcos installed in may
> Wll send the pictures to rapco.
> This was the left side
> If it wasn't for the caliber leaking i won't have found this. Brakes worke
d fine.
> Didn't check the right side.
> Will probably wait to annual in may.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:46 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>>
>> what does the brake disc look like? these look like they are relatively u
nused but almost like something effected them. Replacing was a good call, bu
t what caused this that may do the same thing to the new pads?
>> BTW- I did not mean any disrespect to the A&P, I was simply mentioning t
hat I don=99t always trust what they tell me about my airplane. in thi
s case he made a good call. It=99s not the Rapco its something the pad
s are reacting to is my guess.
>> I would send this picture to Rapco and get their feedback.
>> Pascal
>>
>> From: Alan Mekler MD
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:00 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>
>> <IMG_0361.jpg>
>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net> wrot
e:
>>>
>>>
>>> no i didn=99t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps ha
ve built and own RVs.
>>> alan
>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nic
ely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn=99t buil
d the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes goi
ng down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I
replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well w
ork through.
>>>> pascal
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:16 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Being experimental, it is your choice to take his advise or ignore it.
>>>> Looks are not one of my criteria.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2014 5:54 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>> kelly,
>>>>> pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didn=99t like the the w
ay they looked.
>>>>> alan
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com <mailt
o:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in the f
orm of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove the 5606 can r
esurect a pad if there is enough thickness to justify. Also, if you decide t
o replace, just do the caliper that needs pads. No need to do the other side
.
>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>> A&P/IA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@met
rocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak
>>>>>> and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore
>>>>>> unevenly. My regular mechanic said to replace them.
>>>>>> Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c
om/contribution
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
steering that forces some use of the brakes.
On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
> than the material they've used for years though.
> Tim
>
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>
>>
>> The disc looks fine
>> This was my first set of rapcos installed in may
>> Wll send the pictures to rapco.
>> This was the left side
>> If it wasn't for the caliber leaking i won't have found this. Brakes
>> worked fine.
>> Didn't check the right side.
>> Will probably wait to annual in may.
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:46 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com
>> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> what does the brake disc look like? these look like they are
>>> relatively unused but almost like something effected them. Replacing
>>> was a good call, but what caused this that may do the same thing to
>>> the new pads?
>>> BTW- I did not mean any disrespect to the A&P, I was simply
>>> mentioning that I dont always trust what they tell me about my
>>> airplane. in this case he made a good call. Its not the Rapco its
>>> something the pads are reacting to is my guess.
>>> I would send this picture to Rapco and get their feedback.
>>> Pascal
>>> *From:* Alan Mekler MD <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:00 PM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>> <IMG_0361.jpg>
>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net
>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>>
>>>> no i didnt build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have
>>>> built and own RVs.
>>>> alan
>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@live.com
>>>> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:rv10flyer@live.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working
>>>>> very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you
>>>>> didnt build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard
>>>>> of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing
>>>>> it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November
>>>>> with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.
>>>>> pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:16 PM
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>>>>>
>>>>> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Being experimental, it is your choice to take his advise or ignore it.
>>>>> Looks are not one of my criteria.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2014 5:54 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
>>>>>> kelly,
>>>>>> pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didnt like the the way
>>>>>> they looked.
>>>>>> alan
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in
>>>>>>> the form of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to
>>>>>>> remove the 5606 can resurect a pad if there is enough thickness
>>>>>>> to justify. Also, if you decide to replace, just do the caliper
>>>>>>> that needs pads. No need to do the other side.
>>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>>> A&P/IA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Alan Mekler MD
>>>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>>>>>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <amekler@metrocast.net <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>>>>>>> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak
>>>>>>> and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore
>>>>>>> unevenly. My regular mechanic said to replace them.
>>>>>>> Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> *
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There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
I think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there
have been cases of melted tires too. One was during high
speed taxi that I know of. So it's worth repeating...one
of the biggest things you need to do as a pilot of an
RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on
any plane, but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have
that steering nosewheel so people tend to ride them more.
I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than
the 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
Tim
On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
> introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
> Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
> memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
> excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
> steering that forces some use of the brakes.
>
> On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
>> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
>> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
>> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
>> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
>> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
>> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
>> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
>> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
>> than the material they've used for years though.
>> Tim
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Ditto Tim... we have a few people here that just insist that you can't stee
r the 10 with the rudder.... "Most" of the time that isn't true.- The onl
y time it's a problem is when you have a low or idle power setting.... but
even then, use alllll the rudder you can and simply assist with the brakes.
... not the other way around.- Last annual I wrote on the pad the date, a
nd the thickness.- In 13 months it only wore off .035".- =0ADon McDonal
d=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:29 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@
rv10.com>=0A=0AThere have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.=0AI
think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there=0Ahave been case
s of melted tires too.- One was during high=0Aspeed taxi that I know of.
- So it's worth repeating...one=0Aof the biggest things you need to do as
a pilot of an=0ARV-10 is not ride the brakes.- You shouldn't do it on=0A
any plane, but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have=0Athat steering no
sewheel so people tend to ride them more.=0AI went through my first set of
brake pads MUCH faster than=0Athe 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the
hard way.=0ATim=0A=0AOn 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:=0A> --> RV
10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>=0A>=0A> I a
gree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from=0A> introduc
tion of brake fluid on the pad.=0A> Be careful. I don't recall hearing of f
ires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty=0A> memory). There have been reported cases
of Cirrus brake fires due to=0A> excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Bo
th aircraft lack nosewheel=0A> steering that forces some use of the brakes.
=0A>=0A> On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:=0A>> It actually could be t
he leaky caliper that caused them to look so=0A>> bad.- It'll be interest
ing to hear or see pictures of the other side=0A>> that didn't have that is
sue when you finally wear them out.=0A>> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thou
sands of pads for many models for=0A>> many years and in many cases I'm sur
e the materials are the same as=0A>> others, so I'd be surprised if there w
as a material problem. I even=0A>> bought them years ago for my certified p
lane.- They're just "new" to=0A>> us in RV10 land because it was a more u
ncommon model of pad that they=0A>> didn't make back when the rv10 was born
.- The material isn't different=0A>> than the material they've used for y
=========================0A
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Good advice Tim
I was a former mooney pilot
Easy to flat spot a tire if you braked above 45 kts
Alan
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> On Feb 12, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
> I think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there
> have been cases of melted tires too. One was during high
> speed taxi that I know of. So it's worth repeating...one
> of the biggest things you need to do as a pilot of an
> RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on
> any plane, but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have
> that steering nosewheel so people tend to ride them more.
> I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than
> the 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
> Tim
>
>> On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
>> introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
>> Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
>> memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
>> excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
>> steering that forces some use of the brakes.
>>
>>> On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
>>> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
>>> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
>>> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
>>> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
>>> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
>>> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
>>> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
>>> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
>>> than the material they've used for years though.
>>> Tim
>
>
>
>
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I burned up a tire before I discovered that the master cylinder wasn't rele
asing pressure after the brakes had been released. Carbonized the sidewall
and started really smoking. Had to replace the tire and also had to put som
e springs on the master cylinders so that they would release. My A&P said t
hat he had to also put springs on the master cylinder of the Pitts S-2 he b
uilt. Apparently that is a common problem with these things.
> Date: Wed=2C 12 Feb 2014 09:16:55 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>
>
> There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
> I think at least one was a real fire=2C but I know that there
> have been cases of melted tires too. One was during high
> speed taxi that I know of. So it's worth repeating...one
> of the biggest things you need to do as a pilot of an
> RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on
> any plane=2C but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions=2C doesn't have
> that steering nosewheel so people tend to ride them more.
> I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than
> the 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
> Tim
>
> On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM=2C Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >
> > I agree. The material looks like it got overheated=2C possibly from
> > introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
> > Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
> > memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
> > excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
> > steering that forces some use of the brakes.
> >
> > On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM=2C Tim Olson wrote:
> >> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
> >> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
> >> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
> >> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
> >> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
> >> others=2C so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
> >> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
> >> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
> >> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
> >> than the material they've used for years though.
> >> Tim
>
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Guys, I could use a little help. My airplane partner is AOG in Santa
Barbara with a starting problem. I think the retard points are off a
little, making it hard to start. The battery is dead and the FBO isn't much
help with charging or timing. Is anyone close by that could set the retard
points for him? If so please PM me or give me a call. Many thanks,
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284
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I had a dragging brake problem. It turned out to be a rolled 'O' ring in
the brake caliper. It took just a couple of take offs and landings for me
to realize I had a problem but in that short amount of time it trashed the
pads and tire on that side. I attribute the uneven tire wear to the brake
dragging during taxi, but stopping the tire enough to let it scuff the
runway for the short period of time before liftoff and on landing.
If you see such an uneven tire wear - check the pads.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler MD
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
Good advice Tim
I was a former mooney pilot
Easy to flat spot a tire if you braked above 45 kts Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
> There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
> I think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there have been
> cases of melted tires too. One was during high speed taxi that I know
> of. So it's worth repeating...one of the biggest things you need to
> do as a pilot of an
> RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on any plane, but
> the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have that steering nosewheel so
> people tend to ride them more.
> I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than the 2nd
> set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
> Tim
>
>> On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
>> introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
>> Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
>> memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
>> excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
>> steering that forces some use of the brakes.
>>
>>> On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
>>> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
>>> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
>>> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
>>> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
>>> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
>>> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
>>> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that
>>> they didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't
>>> different than the material they've used for years though.
>>> Tim
>
>
>
>
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Staying off the brakes as much as possible works.
I'm at 400 hours - at 350 hours I still had more original pad than I
could justify replacing. A big part is probably basing on a grass field
where high speed braking is redundant. The other part is being a
tailwheel guy. At first I tried to break my habit of taxiing with
sometimes frequent full rudder deflections, then I realized that it was
perfectly appropriated for a swiveling nose wheel on grass.
Otherwise I try to limit high speed braking to hard surface landings
when the roll-out speed drops to the main gear flutter speed. Then I
brake to get below the flutter speed. Otherwise I try to let taxiways
slip by until slow enough to exit with minimal braking.
On 2/12/2014 10:36 AM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Ditto Tim... we have a few people here that just insist that you can't
> steer the 10 with the rudder.... "Most" of the time that isn't true.
> The only time it's a problem is when you have a low or idle power
> setting.... but even then, use alllll the rudder you can and simply
> assist with the brakes.... not the other way around. Last annual I
> wrote on the pad the date, and the thickness. In 13 months it only
> wore off .035".
> Don McDonald
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:29 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
> I think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there
> have been cases of melted tires too. One was during high
> speed taxi that I know of. So it's worth repeating...one
> of the biggest things you need to do as a pilot of an
> RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on
> any plane, but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have
> that steering nosewheel so people tend to ride them more.
> I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than
> the 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
> Tim
>
> On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
> >
> > I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
> > introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
> > Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
> > memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
> > excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
> > steering that forces some use of the brakes.
> >
> > On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
> >> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
> >> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
> >> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
> >> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
> >> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
> >> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
> >> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
> >> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
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I was wondering if the brake fluid on the pad burned?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Don't think so
Alan
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> On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:48 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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> I was wondering if the brake fluid on the pad burned?
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I have a dragging right break...do you have any instructions for the
springs. The problem comes and goes...
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rapco pads
I burned up a tire before I discovered that the master cylinder wasn't
releasing pressure after the brakes had been released. Carbonized the
sidewall and started really smoking. Had to replace the tire and also had to
put some springs on the master cylinders so that they would release. My A&P
said that he had to also put springs on the master cylinder of the Pitts S-2
he built. Apparently that is a common problem with these things.
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:16:55 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rapco pads
>
>
> There have been fires on RV-10's from excessive braking.
> I think at least one was a real fire, but I know that there
> have been cases of melted tires too. One was during high
> speed taxi that I know of. So it's worth repeating...one
> of the biggest things you need to do as a pilot of an
> RV-10 is not ride the brakes. You shouldn't do it on
> any plane, but the RV-10 as Kelly mentions, doesn't have
> that steering nosewheel so people tend to ride them more.
> I went through my first set of brake pads MUCH faster than
> the 2nd set.....I had to learn my lesson the hard way.
> Tim
>
> On 2/12/2014 8:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >
> > I agree. The material looks like it got overheated, possibly from
> > introduction of brake fluid on the pad.
> > Be careful. I don't recall hearing of fires on RV-10s (perhaps faulty
> > memory). There have been reported cases of Cirrus brake fires due to
> > excessive use of brakes during taxiing. Both aircraft lack nosewheel
> > steering that forces some use of the brakes.
> >
> > On 2/12/2014 5:12 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >> It actually could be the leaky caliper that caused them to look so
> >> bad. It'll be interesting to hear or see pictures of the other side
> >> that didn't have that issue when you finally wear them out.
> >> Rapco's done I'm sure 10's of thousands of pads for many models for
> >> many years and in many cases I'm sure the materials are the same as
> >> others, so I'd be surprised if there was a material problem. I even
> >> bought them years ago for my certified plane. They're just "new" to
> >> us in RV10 land because it was a more uncommon model of pad that they
> >> didn't make back when the rv10 was born. The material isn't different
> >> than the material they've used for years though.
================
>
>
>
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Hey Rene=99,
We had this problem years ago. I rigged up some springs to totally
retract the brake pedals and that fixed it. Then others posted on here
that the fix is to simply drill the holes for the axis of the pedal
bolts so that a rod passes through both with no friction =93 so
there is no bind in the pedals and they retract very easily. Try that
first.
Later, =93 Lew
From: Rene Felker
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rapco pads
I have a dragging right break..do you have any instructions for
the springs. The problem comes and goes..
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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rene(at)felker.com wrote:
> I have a dragging right break..do you have any instructions for the springs.
The problem comes and goes..
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
>
>
>
>
I had a dragging brake problem that seemed to come and go back in 2008 during my
Phase 1 testing. I finally figured out that the co-pilot brakes were not completely
releasing on the RH side. The problem was the hinge bolt through the bottom
of the pedal was dragging just enough to keep the cylinder from completely
retracting when I would occasionally fly the airplane from the right seat.
I have one long bolt in each pedal instead of the two short bolts as shown in
the plans. Somebody on the forums came up with a source for the one long bolt
back when I was building. Simply making sure that there was absolutely no drag
on the pedal/bolt took care of the problem. 720 hours with no problems dragging
brakes. I got over 300 hours out of my first pads and when I changed them there
was still some life left in them. I work very hard to use the brakes as little
as possible while taxiing, and it pays off. I switched to Rapco a while
back and they are fine. I really like that they have the wear indicator notch
in the end of the pad so you are able to tell very easily if it is getting to
be time for new pads.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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