---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/02/14: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: Cabin doors fitting problem (Carlos Trigo) 2. 03:24 AM - Re: Re: Archer wingtip antenna (Carlos Trigo) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Archer wingtip antenna (johngoodman) 4. 06:38 AM - Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. (johngoodman) 5. 12:29 PM - Re: Archer wingtip antenna (Bob Turner) 6. 01:23 PM - Re: Archer wingtip antenna (Bob Turner) 7. 01:26 PM - Re: Archer wingtip antenna (Bob Turner) 8. 06:00 PM - Paperwork question (woxofswa) 9. 06:06 PM - Re: Paperwork question (Kelly McMullen) 10. 06:14 PM - Re: Paperwork question (Jesse Saint) 11. 06:29 PM - Re: Paperwork question (Bob Leffler) 12. 07:55 PM - Re: Paperwork question (Dave Saylor) 13. 08:10 PM - Re: Paperwork question (woxofswa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:32 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Cabin doors fitting problem Jay Please tell us which is the ref. # of the McMaster-Carr seals you used. Thanks Carlos -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hotwheels Sent: sexta-feira, 28 de Fevereiro de 2014 21:04 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin doors fitting problem jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> My scribe lines were really far off. By the time I realized this, it would have been too much trouble to undo. So... I ended up using McMaster-Carr door seals and it worked out well. Regards, Jay N433RV - flying Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419521#419521 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:23 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna Hi Bob I'm not quite understanding the detail you describe about the instalation of your wingtip Comm antenna, especially when you say "then bent it down". Do you have a picture of that? Carlos -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: s=E1bado, 1 de Mar=E7o de 2014 22:38 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> Ah, the never ending debates. I have basically the same data, wrt the Wingtip com antenna, but came to the opposite conclusion! I have a belly whip on #1, and sometimes have trouble on the ground. But the wingtip always works! (maybe because I mounted it along the top of the wing, then bent it down?) A few months ago I must have been in a funny geometry - pointed right at the airport but nose down, 15 or 20 miles out. Tower couldn't make out my transmission (but other aircraft said they could). Switched to #2 (wingtip) and tower said loud and clear. After a turn, belly whip worked again, too. But in general, belly whip is a little better, maybe 20% more usable range. For me, that is good enough for a backup. Plus saving $150 and gaining a half knot! -:) -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419591#419591 List 7-Day http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna From: "johngoodman" My Archer Comm in the wingtip works great. I mounted it as far away from the foil as I could (sort of) and I had already pulled the wires through the Van's conduit for everything else. So, I just left it at that. Absolutely no problems. As far as the landing light, I replaced the Van's bulb with an LED that uses the same volts/amps/etc that looks just like it from Batteries Plus for $28 each. They have a very low draw, wig-wag great, and should last (unlike the Van's bulbs). They seem to put out enough light, but I haven't been out in the dark, yet. I figure my nose light will compensate, and besides, I was carrier Navy - we didn't even have landing lights. Using the taxi light on deck was punishable by the lash.... John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419628#419628 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. From: "johngoodman" I didn't prime, except for where it was called for - or needed. I kept a rattle can of "self etching primer" handy, and used a cardboard box outdoors to hit it (wear a mask). Ask for it at any paint or auto store. I also kept a spray can of T9 Boeshield handy - as Kelly suggested. Great product. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419629#419629 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna From: "Bob Turner" "I'm not quite understanding the detail you describe about the instalation of your wingtip Comm antenna, especially when you say "then bent it down". Do you have a picture of that? " I do have a photo but don't know how to post it! Let me describe it a little better. First of all, I didn't buy the Archer com; I cloned (copied) the VOR antenna (which I did buy). I made the antenna 10% shorter to better center the frequency in the com frequencies. I also made the coax connections inverted, so I could make connections on the bottom side. The ground side of the antenna is under the rivets that hold the wingtip nutplates on the TOP side of the wing. The leading edge of the antenna is about half way back from the front of the wing, where the wingtip is the thickest. With the ground side of the antenna held by rivets (or clecos), I then bent the entire remaining part of the antenna downward until the long arm of the antenna hit the bottom of the wingtip. A few pieces of fiberglass/epoxy hold this in place. The idea is to get the part of the antenna that has the highest current (the part near the ground connection) as vertical as possible. I went top to bottom rather than bottom to top because I thought that gave me a little more vertical throw, due to the fact that the tip is not symmetric top/bottom. If that's not clear let me know, and I'll figure out how to post a figure. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419654#419654 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:02 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna From: "Bob Turner" I'll try to post a photo: [img]http://i40.tinypic.com/2lw59hj.jpg[img] -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419659#419659 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna From: "Bob Turner" I'll try to post a photo: -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419660#419660 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Paperwork question From: "woxofswa" Sorry if this is silly but after 30 years in the industry I've become jaded about paperwork. For the purposes of paperwork, would/should a paintshop be listed as "commercial assistance"? TIA -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419673#419673 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:14 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paperwork question No. Paint is not considered part of the build. Many of us have/will obtain airworthiness certificates with no paint at all. Also keep in mind that the RV-10 is approved as meeting the 51% requirement, even with quick build as long as you don't go hire someone to build it for you. There are some folks that may cross that threshold, but I have watch your build from quite a long time ago, and I can vouch for your doing the work. On 3/2/2014 6:59 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > Sorry if this is silly but after 30 years in the industry I've become jaded about paperwork. > > For the purposes of paperwork, would/should a paintshop be listed as "commercial assistance"? > > TIA > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419673#419673 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paperwork question From: Jesse Saint No. The plane is not required to be painted. That is also not on the checklist, if I'm not mistaken. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2014, at 8:59 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: > > > Sorry if this is silly but after 30 years in the industry I've become jaded about paperwork. > > For the purposes of paperwork, would/should a paintshop be listed as "commercial assistance"? > > TIA > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419673#419673 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paperwork question From: Bob Leffler I agree with Jesse, but FSDO had me list painting as commercial assistance on the form. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > > No. The plane is not required to be painted. That is also not on the checklist, if I'm not mistaken. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > www.mavericklsa.com > C: 352-427-0285 > O: 352-465-4545 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2014, at 8:59 PM, "woxofswa" wrote: >> >> >> Sorry if this is silly but after 30 years in the industry I've become jaded about paperwork. >> >> For the purposes of paperwork, would/should a paintshop be listed as "commercial assistance"? >> >> TIA >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419673#419673 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:28 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paperwork question If FAA will issue an airworthiness certificate without any particular task being complete, then that task shouldn't be counted against 51%. So no, painting shouldn't be listed as commercial assistance when you fill out 8130-12. Bob, of course you pick your battles but if listing paint as commercial assistance caused any hardship, it'd be worth arguing. I hope it didn't matter much for you. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > Sorry if this is silly but after 30 years in the industry I've become > jaded about paperwork. > > For the purposes of paperwork, would/should a paintshop be listed as > "commercial assistance"? > > TIA > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF > complete. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419673#419673 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paperwork question From: "woxofswa" >>no, no, no ... But FSDO made me -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. 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