---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/05/14: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:59 AM - Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. (AirMike) 2. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. (Rene Felker) 3. 08:33 AM - WTB. Small quantity of proseal (rvdave) 4. 08:47 AM - Re: WTB. Small quantity of proseal (Rene Felker) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: WTB. Small quantity of proseal (Pascal) 6. 09:12 AM - Re: WTB. Small quantity of proseal (rvdave) 7. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. (Alan Mekler MD) 8. 10:54 AM - Wing tip question (woxofswa) 9. 12:01 PM - Re: Wing tip question (Carl Froehlich) 10. 01:39 PM - Re: Wing tip question (bill.peyton) 11. 01:48 PM - Re: Archer wingtip antenna (bill.peyton) 12. 02:16 PM - Re: Wing tip question (woxofswa) 13. 06:51 PM - Re: Wing tip question (dmaib@me.com) 14. 07:24 PM - Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. From: "AirMike" Having owned a plane with filiform corrosion (a Piper), I was sensitive to the issue. I trained with Wally Anderson at Synergy in Eugene,OR. and he primes everything with a wash primer. I felt that if it was the way that Wally went, that I would do the same. I feel that it added only nominal weight and it looks great. I also used an epoxy primer from DuPont that is tough as nails on the floors and sidewalls. My attitude is - corrosion will never be a worry for me or the person to whom I sell the plane. My weight is 2620#. -------- See you OSH '14 Q/B - flying 4 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419819#419819 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:36 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. I hope you meant 1620#. :) Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. Having owned a plane with filiform corrosion (a Piper), I was sensitive to the issue. I trained with Wally Anderson at Synergy in Eugene,OR. and he primes everything with a wash primer. I felt that if it was the way that Wally went, that I would do the same. I feel that it added only nominal weight and it looks great. I also used an epoxy primer from DuPont that is tough as nails on the floors and sidewalls. My attitude is - corrosion will never be a worry for me or the person to whom I sell the plane. My weight is 2620#. -------- See you OSH '14 Q/B - flying 4 yrs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419819#419819 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: WTB. Small quantity of proseal From: "rvdave" Wondering if anyone would sell me a small quantity of proseal and hardener --just need probably a few oz or part of a can left over? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419826#419826 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:12 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: WTB. Small quantity of proseal Vans used to sell it in a 1 oz size. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rvdave Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: WTB. Small quantity of proseal Wondering if anyone would sell me a small quantity of proseal and hardener --just need probably a few oz or part of a can left over? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419826#419826 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:28 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: WTB. Small quantity of proseal order new 1 time use tube from AS&S. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=TANK+SEALANT&x=0&y=0 -----Original Message----- From: rvdave Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: RV10-List: WTB. Small quantity of proseal Wondering if anyone would sell me a small quantity of proseal and hardener --just need probably a few oz or part of a can left over? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419826#419826 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: WTB. Small quantity of proseal From: "rvdave" Ok didn't realize there was small quantity available -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419829#419829 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. From: Alan Mekler MD Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:24 AM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > > > I hope you meant 1620#. :) > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:58 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. > > > Having owned a plane with filiform corrosion (a Piper), I was sensitive to > the issue. I trained with Wally Anderson at Synergy in Eugene,OR. and he > primes everything with a wash primer. I felt that if it was the way that > Wally went, that I would do the same. I feel that it added only nominal > weight and it looks great. I also used an epoxy primer from DuPont that is > tough as nails on the floors and sidewalls. My attitude is - corrosion will > never be a worry for me or the person to whom I sell the plane. My weight is > 2620#. > > -------- > See you OSH '14 > Q/B - flying 4 yrs. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419819#419819 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:40 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Wing tip question From: "woxofswa" My project is in the paint shop. In a previous thread I discussed the pros/cons of not drilling out the wingtip attach holes until after paint when I will have the flaps and ailerons all installed. My new question is this though. There is the w-1016 wingtip support that seals off the aft section of the tip. I haven't drill that out yet either but I can do before those parts get painted and then not have to touch up the paint afterwards, but I was wondering about how much that part needs to be mated up to the aileron or how much distortion play in can inflict on that section of the tip. Another thought I had was to not drill it out now and rather than drill it out later, just to epoxy it in after paint. Any comments/suggestions appreciated. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419836#419836 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:52 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing tip question As you note, wingtip rigging needs to be done last - fit the wings, then flaps, then ailerons, then wingtips. The trailing edge of the wingtip can move up or down a good half inch - thus you need to know where it goes before you drill the mounting holes or wingtip rib. If not rigged properly you can easily end up with the wingtip acting as an aileron - and since it is as far out as it can go a small variance can create a large moment arm. To be blunt, this should have been done during initial wing fit up, then everything taken off for paint. As you have gone to paint without a wing and control surface fit up I see only one path forward that does not mess up the final paint. You paint everything but the wingtips, assemble and rig the wings, flaps and ailerons, fit the wingtips then take the wingtips back for paint. Many people do some glass work on the wingtips after the rib is installed as well. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Wing tip question My project is in the paint shop. In a previous thread I discussed the pros/cons of not drilling out the wingtip attach holes until after paint when I will have the flaps and ailerons all installed. My new question is this though. There is the w-1016 wingtip support that seals off the aft section of the tip. I haven't drill that out yet either but I can do before those parts get painted and then not have to touch up the paint afterwards, but I was wondering about how much that part needs to be mated up to the aileron or how much distortion play in can inflict on that section of the tip. Another thought I had was to not drill it out now and rather than drill it out later, just to epoxy it in after paint. Any comments/suggestions appreciated. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419836#419836 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing tip question From: "bill.peyton" I agree with Carl. The wingtips should have been fit prior to paint. I had to separate and re-glass the rear half of one of the tips to get it in alignment properly. There is no reason that this can't be done off of the plane, but you will need to install both the flaps and the ailerons to properly align the tip. The W-1016 should also be installed. Only then should the tips be painted. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419842#419842 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archer wingtip antenna From: "bill.peyton" I have one in each wing tip and they work every bit as well as my last aircraft, which had the external cat whisker antenna. I also use them for the glide slope. Of course by mounting them in the wing tips off of the centerline of the aircraft, your Localizer beam will be offset by the approximate 15 fit the antenna is off centerline :o -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419843#419843 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1631_196.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing tip question From: "woxofswa" I understand where you guys are coming from and appreciate the inputs. In my case the paint shop is 50 yards from my hangar and since tips are Matterhorn white only, the painter says we can do them anytime. My goal on installation and rigging was to do it just once with virgin hardware with each piece at it's final weight. Obviously if the paint shop location were different I would have made other plans. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419844#419844 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:47 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing tip question From: "dmaib@me.com" This is one of those questions that seems to come up every year or two. In my opinion, it is one of the areas where following Van's instructions carefully is the right way to go. My wife and I followed the instructions very carefully and ended up with wingtips perfectly matched to the ailerons. Between us, we had almost zero experience with these kinds of things. Maybe we were just lucky, but I think this is one of those areas where deciding to do it differently might increase the possibility of mis-aligned wing tips/ailerons. Their are some areas where some of the smart people on these forums have figured out a better mousetrap, and I have been the beneficiary of more than a few of those. But, I don't believe wingtips are one of those. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419854#419854 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Greetings ... and minimalist priming questions. From: "AirMike" yea - yea - 1620# -------- See you OSH '14 Q/B - flying 4 yrs. 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