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1. 08:19 AM - Re: Selling prices (Don McDonald)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: Selling prices (Tim Olson)
3. 10:33 AM - Re: Selling prices (Marcus Cooper)
4. 10:36 AM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
5. 10:36 AM - Re: Selling prices (Don McDonald)
6. 11:10 AM - Re: Selling prices (Jesse Saint)
7. 11:29 AM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Selling prices (Sean Stephens)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Selling prices (William Greenley)
10. 11:55 AM - Re: Selling prices (g.combs)
11. 12:23 PM - Re: Selling prices (Tim Olson)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: Selling prices (Justin Jones)
13. 12:41 PM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
14. 04:57 PM - Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Steven DeFord)
15. 05:26 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Carl Froehlich)
16. 05:43 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Seano)
17. 06:03 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Michael Kraus)
18. 06:40 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jesse Saint)
19. 07:00 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bob Turner)
20. 07:30 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (g.combs)
21. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Kelly McMullen)
22. 09:12 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Pascal)
23. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Tim Olson)
24. 09:57 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Don McDonald)
25. 10:19 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Steven DeFord)
26. 10:57 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family?=C2- Just k
idding.=C2- Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for lu
nch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even have t
he fries.=0AOne guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything
, and by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us bec
ause of the fuel expense.=C2- Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive.=C2- Good luck=0A=0AConsidered a second RV?=0A=0ADon =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yaho
o.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 P
M=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices=0A =0A=0A--> RV10-List message p
osted by: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>=0A=0AWhile I=99m at it, h
ow are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like a lot of Zen and wishful
thinking to be honest.=0A=0AThanks again,=0AMarcus=0A=0AOn Mar 16, 2014, at
10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A--> RV10-List mess
age posted by: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>=0A=0AI=99ve been wat
ching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out for RV-10s for sal
e.=C2- Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the family grows I am co
nsidering moving up to a six place twin.=C2- I=99ve been impressed
with the price most everyone has been asking for their airplane, but have n
o clue what they are actually selling for.=C2- Does anyone have any idea
on how the sell price has played out relative to the asking price?=C2- Cl
early it depends on the airplane, but with the asking prices typically betw
een $180K and $220K I=99d be curious to see what the selling range ac
tually turns out to be.=0A=0AThanks,=0AMarcus=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
I've got a cheap solution too!
Get the wife her certificate and then build another RV.
Same amount of engines to maintain as the twin, but you
could have even more seats depending on the RV, AND you
don't always have to take both engines to the same
destination!
Tim
do not archive
On 3/17/2014 10:18 AM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
> kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
> lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
> have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and by
> the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
> bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
> because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
> expensive. Good luck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>
> While Im at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like a
> lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>
> Ive been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out
> for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
> family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. Ive been
> impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
> airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
> anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
> the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
> asking prices typically between $180K and $220K Id be curious to see
> what the selling range actually turns out to
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
Well aware of all the concerns, just trying to get an idea of how to potenti
ally price the machine. Unfortunately two RVs is not a viable solution, my w
ife is too happy as a passenger. However, with the proceeds from my -10 I ma
y be able to get a fair C-310 and build my fourth RV with a -7 this time for
the solo and dual flights. We'll see.
Thanks,
Marcus
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wr
ote:
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just kiddi
ng. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for lunch will r
eally be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and by th
e time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just bought or b
uilt an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us because of the f
uel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more expensive. Good lu
ck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> While I=99m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems lik
e a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I=99ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye o
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y grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=99ve been i
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
7 children plus a wife who does fly!
So I need another two RV10=92s.
Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s to
train the children in.
But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should learn
to fly.
Neil
ZK-RVT
On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like
a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
I think that's kind of what I was saying Tim.... plus when the kids are eit
her gone, or don't want to go, you can sell the extra plane.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0ATo:
rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:42 AM=0ASubject:
m Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A=0AI've got a cheap solution too!=0A=0AGet the w
ife her certificate and then build another RV.=0ASame amount of engines to
maintain as the twin, but you=0Acould have even more seats depending on the
RV, AND you=0Adon't always have to take both engines to the same=0Adestina
tion!=0A=0ATim=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0AOn 3/17/2014 10:18 AM, Don McDonald
wrote:=0A> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family?
=C2- Just=0A> kidding.=C2- Just remember when you get the twin, even a
short trip for=0A> lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and
you can't even=0A> have the fries.=0A> One guy here got a great deal on a t
win, refurbished everything, and by=0A> the time he was done he had spent a
s much as if he would have just=0A> bought or built an RV.... and now he ra
rely goes flying with all of us=0A> because of the fuel expense.=C2- Main
tenance is higher and annuals are more=0A> expensive.=C2- Good luck=0A>
=0A> Considered a second RV?=0A>=0A> Don=0A>=0A>=0A> ----------------------
--------------------------------------------------=0A> *From:* Marcus Coope
r <cooprv7@yahoo.com>=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com=0A> *Sent:* Sunday,
March 16, 2014 9:33 PM=0A> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Selling prices=0A>=0A
ilto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>=0A>=0A> While I=99m at it, how are people pr
icing their RV-10s, it seems like a=0A> lot of Zen and wishful thinking to
be honest.=0A>=0A> Thanks again,=0A> Marcus=0A>=0A> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:
15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com=0A> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wro
om=0A> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>=0A>=0A> I=99ve been watching Barns
tormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out=0A> for RV-10s for sale.=C2
- Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the=0A> family grows I am con
sidering moving up to a six place twin.=C2- I=99ve been=0A> impress
ed with the price most everyone has been asking for their=0A> airplane, but
have no clue what they are actually selling for.=C2- Does=0A> anyone hav
e any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to=0A> the asking
price?=C2- Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the=0A> asking pr
ices typically between $180K and $220K I=99d be curious to see=0A> wh
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying
my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the
family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane for
the family and then building a 7.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
>
> 7 children plus a wife who does fly!
>
> So I need another two RV10=92s.
>
> Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s to
train the children in.
>
> But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
> So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
>
> But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should
learn to fly.
>
> Neil
> ZK-RVT
>
> On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
>> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>>
>> Considered a second RV?
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>>
>>
>> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like
a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
Congratulations on #8!
The older ones are now very useful on the farm & work hard.
Homeschooling makes this easier of course.
Just need to slot in aviation as one of their subjects.
We have flown in the Airvan - just enough seats & IO540. But a bit like
the landrover we have!
Neil
On 18/03/2014, at 7:02 am, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying
my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the
family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane for
the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
>
>> Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
>>
>> 7 children plus a wife who does fly!
>>
>> So I need another two RV10=92s.
>>
>> Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s
to train the children in.
>>
>> But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
>> So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
>>
>> But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should
learn to fly.
>>
>> Neil
>> ZK-RVT
>>
>> On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
>>> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>>>
>>> Considered a second RV?
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>>>
>>>
>>> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems
like a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
RV-26? :)
-Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
purring)
> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
> for the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
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For six seats wouldn't a Cherokee six be more economical to maintain than a
twin?
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat RV-26?
:)
-Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
purring)
> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
> for the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
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Look at the Aztec if it fits it will haul
It
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> For six seats wouldn't a Cherokee six be more economical to maintain than a
> twin?
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:38 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat RV-26?
> :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
> purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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I wasn't sure what they'd call a twin.....the 25 or 26, or
would they go with 15^2 (15 squared?)
I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a Van's twin, due
to the high cost of buying, owning, and operating 2
engines, but if they made a big RV-15Xtended that may be
something that would catch on.
Personally, I'm very happy to be flying a non-retractable
single, to save the cost, but if I were moving up I think
I'd prefer a bigger single.
Tim
do not archive
On 3/17/2014 1:38 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
> RV-26? :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
> purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
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You may also consider the Murphy Moose! It's a slightly smaller Beaver. 6 place
total but can be configured with more seats for kids.
People use the tsio-540 or the M14p or the T-Moose uses a pt-6a but that uses 24gph
of jet A.
Gotta love the experimental market!
On Mar 17, 2014, at 12:38, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat RV-26? :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to go with
a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying my Suburban
low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the family. I do like the idea,
however, of going with a bigger plane for the family and then building a
7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Selling prices |
No Tim.
More planes would make you a squadron leader!
You need 4 of the new RV15s - the single seat, retractable, Rotax 912is 160 knots
on 3 gal/hr!
do not archive
On 18/03/2014, at 8:22 am, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure what they'd call a twin.....the 25 or 26, or
> would they go with 15^2 (15 squared?)
>
> I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a Van's twin, due
> to the high cost of buying, owning, and operating 2
> engines, but if they made a big RV-15Xtended that may be
> something that would catch on.
>
> Personally, I'm very happy to be flying a non-retractable
> single, to save the cost, but if I were moving up I think
> I'd prefer a bigger single.
>
>
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/17/2014 1:38 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>
>> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
>> RV-26? :)
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
>> purring)
>>
>>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle
portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of
the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably
accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up
a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in
tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more
weight in the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other
solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the
general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the straps
attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A simple
opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle
valve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the
passenger's left leg. I use the AL682 bottle - more than enough for my
needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each got
a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we can
charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for
mounting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my
wife's one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
Aileron trim - put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control unit and an
Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisions,
since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wondering
how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like to
mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle
portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of
the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably
accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons is
a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a
ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks
don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in
the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequate
to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in
aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general
consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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MH for me too. I bought the O2D2 from MH and love it for the front two
passengers and regulators for the rear.
I agree with Carl, Van=99s aileron trim is simple and works great
with the Infinity grips.
Fuel- buy a fuel selector with Left, Right, Off and AUX. you can plug
it at first and see if you end up wanting more fuel later.
From: Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd
like to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the
bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through
the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to
be reasonably accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60
gallons is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve).
I've considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to
hook up a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip
slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put
significantly more weight in the wings that they weren't designed for
(vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like
the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my opi
nion....
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the strap
s attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A simp
le opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle v
alve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the p
assenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than eno
ugh for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>
> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each go
t a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we can
charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or s
o it does not break the bank.
>
> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for mou
nting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>
> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control un
it and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>
> Carl
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>
> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decision
s, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonderi
ng how people had done some of the following:
>
> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like t
o mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle port
able, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the a
ircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessi
ble?
>
> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons i
s a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've consid
ered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a ferry
tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't
carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in the w
ings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>
> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequa
te to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in ai
leron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general co
nsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>
> Steve
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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Interesting discussion. I have all 3 trims in my -10 and I very seldom use h
e aileron trim, although I do use it. I am usually flying on the auto pilot a
nd then trimming the rudder levels the plane.
Jesse
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wr
ote:
>
> Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my o
pinion....
> -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net
> wrote:
>>
>> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the stra
ps attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A sim
ple opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle v
alve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the p
assenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than eno
ugh for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>>
>> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each g
ot a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we ca
n charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
>>
>> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for mo
unting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>>
>> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control u
nit and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>
>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisio
ns, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonder
ing how people had done some of the following:
>>
>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle po
rtable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of th
e aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acce
ssible?
>>
>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've cons
idered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a fer
ry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don
't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in th
e wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>
>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequ
ate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in a
ileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general c
onsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
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1. Aerox O2 tank on top of the tunnel, valve between the front seats.
2. Rudder trim is a fixed wedge, that's all I need. Plane climbs so well it is
not a big deal to hold rudder during climb.
3. No aileron trim, I keep it balanced pretty well with 30 minute fuel tank changes.
I also use the autopilot in cruise.
4. Nearly always run lean of peak, 160 KTAS with less than 10 gal/hr gives me 5
+ 1 hour endurance, that's plenty for me.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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I agree with Jesse. All three. I have auto trim on elevator which is
Awesome.
As for o2 portable sits on tunnel between front and rear seats
And can service front and rear passengers with ease and can be removed in se
conds
Geoff Combs
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion. I have all 3 trims in my -10 and I very seldom use
he aileron trim, although I do use it. I am usually flying on the auto pilo
t and then trimming the rudder levels the plane.
>
> Jesse
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> w
rote:
>>
>> Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my o
pinion....
>> -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.ne
t> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the str
aps attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A si
mple opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle
valve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the
passenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than e
nough for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>>>
>>> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each g
ot a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we ca
n charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
>>>
>>> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for m
ounting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>>>
>>> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control u
nit and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>>
>>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisi
ons, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonde
ring how people had done some of the following:
>>>
>>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd lik
e to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle p
ortable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of t
he aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acc
essible?
>>>
>>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallon
s is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've con
sidered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a fe
rry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks do
n't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in t
he wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>>
>>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adeq
uate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in a
ileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general c
onsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
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Since the aileron trim can be added at any time, after you are flying, I
see no reason to install unless you really feel a need after you are flying.
IMHO, 4 hours of IFR flying is the max I want to do solo. Since I very
rarely have another instrument rated pilot with me, 5 hours of range is
plenty for me to cover reserves. 4 hours will get you almost 500 nm.
I've used Aerox tank for years. Probably will add MH pulse demand unit.
I've flown LOP for years with my 4 cyl Mooney and expect will be same in
the RV.
On 3/17/2014 6:59 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> 1. Aerox O2 tank on top of the tunnel, valve between the front seats.
> 2. Rudder trim is a fixed wedge, that's all I need. Plane climbs so well it is
not a big deal to hold rudder during climb.
> 3. No aileron trim, I keep it balanced pretty well with 30 minute fuel tank changes.
I also use the autopilot in cruise.
> 4. Nearly always run lean of peak, 160 KTAS with less than 10 gal/hr gives me
5 + 1 hour endurance, that's plenty for me.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420515#420515
>
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3) Aileron trim:- I fly solo most of the time (sadly) if you will as
well get it! I have my aileron trimmed for most of my early flights
after refueling due to the left side sitting lower than the right. With
the trim the plane flies straight, as the fuel burns off the left I
retrim back to center. I didn=99t think I would use it, but glad I
have it. You can easily add it in the future, although it is easier to
add the trim with the skins off.
I have a Don Mcdonald special- otherwise known as a aluminum tab bended
to make for a perfectly trimmed rudder in cruise.
Pascal
From: Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd
like to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the
bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through
the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to
be reasonably accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60
gallons is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve).
I've considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to
hook up a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip
slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put
significantly more weight in the wings that they weren't designed for
(vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like
the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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If you don't install it right away, you may want to at least run the servo
wires. I just find that doing things the way you want it the first time
makes for a lot less frustration. Rework always takes much extra time.
One correction though. 4 hours will get you MORE than 500nm...probably
close to 650nm actually, even LOP. The plane is more fun than you'd
imagine.
I don't have the MH system, but, for anyone planning on seriously
using O2, I think it's the best system out there. I wish I had it, but
to get what I want would cost more than I'm currently willing to buy.
That said, there will be a day, post kids-at-home, that I'll just buy it.
Tim
On 3/17/2014 10:09 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Since the aileron trim can be added at any time, after you are flying,
> I see no reason to install unless you really feel a need after you are
> flying.
> IMHO, 4 hours of IFR flying is the max I want to do solo. Since I very
> rarely have another instrument rated pilot with me, 5 hours of range
> is plenty for me to cover reserves. 4 hours will get you almost 500 nm.
> I've used Aerox tank for years. Probably will add MH pulse demand unit.
> I've flown LOP for years with my 4 cyl Mooney and expect will be same
> in the RV.
>
>
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Either I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS principal.- Defi
nitely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for the other two.-
I fly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to the Sacramento area.
... both directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN).- Both legs are 600 t
o 630nm.- My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoenix) to 0tx1, it wa
s 747nm and I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons remaining.- This w
as without a normal wonderful tailwind.=0ANotice you talked about hours and
not actual range.... how FAR are you looking to fly?=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Steven DeFord <riveteddrago
n@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 17, 2014
6:56 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.=0A =0A=0A
=0AI realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisi
ons, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wond
ering how people had done some of the following:=0A=0A1) -Oxygen: -With
the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like to mount some sort
of oxygen system. -Assuming I want to keep the bottle portable, and not
have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the aircraft, whe
re have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessible?=0A=0A2
) -Fuel: -Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallon
s is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). -I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up
a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tan
ks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weigh
t in the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). -Other sol
utions?=0A=0A3) -Aileron trim: -The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's
probably adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do
people put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? -It seems
like the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."=0A=0ASteve
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Well, as always, the farther/faster the better, but nonstop from San Francis
co-Seattle and SF to Tucson are the more typical mission. If 650-700 mi ran
ge is plausible with IFR reserves, that's probably adequate. Does that mand
ate LoP and tune injectors, or just throttle back a bit?
Steven DeFord
RivetedDragon@gmail.com
(925) 596-0426 (cell)
On Mar 17, 2014, at 21:56, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Either I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS principal. Defin
itely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for the other two. I f
ly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to the Sacramento area.... b
oth directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN). Both legs are 600 to 630nm.
My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoenix) to 0tx1, it was 747nm and
I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons remaining. This was without a n
ormal wonderful tailwind.
> Notice you talked about hours and not actual range.... how FAR are you loo
king to fly?
> Don McDonald
>
> From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:56 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>
> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decision
s, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonderi
ng how people had done some of the following:
>
> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like t
o mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle port
able, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the a
ircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessi
ble?
>
> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons i
s a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've consid
ered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a ferry
tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't
carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in the w
ings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>
> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequa
te to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in ai
leron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general co
nsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>
> Steve
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listofollow" target="_blank" hre
f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h
>
>
>
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700 nm plus alternate plus ifr reserve (no wind) can be done LOP, or by throttling
well back. I suspect the majority of owners are crusing LOP. It's easy and
inexpensive to tune injectors. Save gas, low CHTs. What's not to like?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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