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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jesse Saint)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jesse Saint)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/17/14 (DLM)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Don McDonald)
5. 01:02 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jim Berry)
6. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Steven DeFord)
7. 02:38 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jim Berry)
8. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Linn Walters)
9. 03:08 PM - Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI (Matt Dralle)
10. 03:08 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bill Watson)
11. 03:38 PM - AFP (Bob Leffler)
12. 03:43 PM - auto trim (Linn Walters)
13. 04:36 PM - Re: auto trim (PReid)
14. 05:14 PM - Re: auto trim (Jesse Saint)
15. 05:36 PM - Re: auto trim (Seano)
16. 06:00 PM - Re: auto trim (Bob Turner)
17. 06:02 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bob Turner)
18. 06:39 PM - Re: auto trim (Matt Dralle)
19. 07:39 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jim Berry)
20. 07:41 PM - Re: auto trim (Tim Farrell)
21. 09:22 PM - Re: auto trim (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. |
As for a portable O2 system, SkyOx has been the cheapest I've found. We have
a mount between the rear seats that straps the tank in place. It's easy to l
eave it home when desired.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:30 PM, "g.combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wr
ote:
>
> I agree with Jesse. All three. I have auto trim on elevator which is
> Awesome.
>
> As for o2 portable sits on tunnel between front and rear seats
> And can service front and rear passengers with ease and can be removed in s
econds
>
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
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>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting discussion. I have all 3 trims in my -10 and I very seldom us
e he aileron trim, although I do use it. I am usually flying on the auto pil
ot and then trimming the rudder levels the plane.
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> w
rote:
>>>
>>> Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my
opinion....
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.n
et> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the st
raps attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A s
imple opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottl
e valve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to th
e passenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than e
nough for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>>>>
>>>> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each
got a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we c
an charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year o
r so it does not break the bank.
>>>>
>>>> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for m
ounting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>>>>
>>>> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control
unit and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decis
ions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wond
ering how people had done some of the following:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd li
ke to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle p
ortable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of t
he aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acc
essible?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallo
ns is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've co
nsidered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a f
erry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks d
on't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in t
he wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>>>
>>>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably ade
quate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in
aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general
consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. |
Depending on winds, that's a reasonable range with standard tanks with IFR r
eserve. You may have to pull back a bit and run LOP also, but it should work
for you. An extra 15gal w the tip tanks would certainly help.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:18 AM, Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> Well, as always, the farther/faster the better, but nonstop from San Franc
isco-Seattle and SF to Tucson are the more typical mission. If 650-700 mi r
ange is plausible with IFR reserves, that's probably adequate. Does that ma
ndate LoP and tune injectors, or just throttle back a bit?
>
> Steven DeFord
> RivetedDragon@gmail.com
> (925) 596-0426 (cell)
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 21:56, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrot
e:
>>
>> Either I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS principal. Defi
nitely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for the other two. I f
ly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to the Sacramento area.... b
oth directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN). Both legs are 600 to 630nm.
My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoenix) to 0tx1, it was 747nm and
I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons remaining. This was without a n
ormal wonderful tailwind.
>> Notice you talked about hours and not actual range.... how FAR are you lo
oking to fly?
>> Don McDonald
>>
>> From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:56 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>
>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisio
ns, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonder
ing how people had done some of the following:
>>
>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle po
rtable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of th
e aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acce
ssible?
>>
>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've cons
idered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a fer
ry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don
't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in th
e wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>
>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequ
ate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in a
ileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general c
onsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>
>> Steve
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listofollow" target="_blank" hr
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/17/14 |
Regards O2; A good rig can be had for about $250. I used a medical E bottle,
electronic pulse regulator and a cannula works fine in the teens. I even
have Ys for extra tubing and a box of cannulas. Medical refills are about
$15. It is mounted on top of the tunnel aft of the fire bottle.
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1. 08:19 AM - Re: Selling prices (Don McDonald)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: Selling prices (Tim Olson)
3. 10:33 AM - Re: Selling prices (Marcus Cooper)
4. 10:36 AM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
5. 10:36 AM - Re: Selling prices (Don McDonald)
6. 11:10 AM - Re: Selling prices (Jesse Saint)
7. 11:29 AM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Selling prices (Sean Stephens)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Selling prices (William Greenley)
10. 11:55 AM - Re: Selling prices (g.combs)
11. 12:23 PM - Re: Selling prices (Tim Olson)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: Selling prices (Justin Jones)
13. 12:41 PM - Re: Selling prices (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
14. 04:57 PM - Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Steven DeFord)
15. 05:26 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Carl Froehlich)
16. 05:43 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Seano)
17. 06:03 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Michael Kraus)
18. 06:40 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Jesse Saint)
19. 07:00 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bob Turner)
20. 07:30 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (g.combs)
21. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Kelly
McMullen)
22. 09:12 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Pascal)
23. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Tim Olson)
24. 09:57 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Don McDonald)
25. 10:19 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Steven DeFord)
26. 10:57 PM - Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain. (Bob Turner)
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Time: 08:19:26 AM PST US
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family?=C2- Just k
idding.=C2- Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for lu
nch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even have t
he fries.=0AOne guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything
, and by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us bec
ause of the fuel expense.=C2- Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive.=C2- Good luck=0A=0AConsidered a second RV?=0A=0ADon =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yaho
o.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 P
M=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices=0A =0A=0A--> RV10-List message p
osted by: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>=0A=0AWhile I=99m at it, h
ow are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like a lot of Zen and wishful
thinking to be honest.=0A=0AThanks again,=0AMarcus=0A=0AOn Mar 16, 2014, at
10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A--> RV10-List mess
age posted by: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>=0A=0AI=99ve been wat
ching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out for RV-10s for sal
e.=C2- Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the family grows I am co
nsidering moving up to a six place twin.=C2- I=99ve been impressed
with the price most everyone has been asking for their airplane, but have n
o clue what they are actually selling for.=C2- Does anyone have any idea
on how the sell price has played out relative to the asking price?=C2- Cl
early it depends on the airplane, but with the asking prices typically betw
een $180K and $220K I=99d be curious to see what the selling range ac
tually turns out to be.=0A=0AThanks,=0AMarcus=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Time: 08:42:48 AM PST US
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
I've got a cheap solution too!
Get the wife her certificate and then build another RV.
Same amount of engines to maintain as the twin, but you
could have even more seats depending on the RV, AND you
don't always have to take both engines to the same
destination!
Tim
do not archive
On 3/17/2014 10:18 AM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
> kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
> lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
> have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and by
> the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
> bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
> because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
> expensive. Good luck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>
> While Im at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like a
> lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>
> Ive been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out
> for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
> family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. Ive been
> impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
> airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
> anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
> the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
> asking prices typically between $180K and $220K Id be curious to see
> what the selling range actually turns out to
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>
>
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Time: 10:33:10 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
Well aware of all the concerns, just trying to get an idea of how to potenti
ally price the machine. Unfortunately two RVs is not a viable solution, my w
ife is too happy as a passenger. However, with the proceeds from my -10 I ma
y be able to get a fair C-310 and build my fourth RV with a -7 this time for
the solo and dual flights. We'll see.
Thanks,
Marcus
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wr
ote:
>
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just kiddi
ng. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for lunch will r
eally be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and by th
e time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just bought or b
uilt an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us because of the f
uel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more expensive. Good lu
ck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> While I=99m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems lik
e a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I=99ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye o
ut for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the famil
y grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=99ve been i
mpressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their airplane, bu
t have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does anyone have any ide
a on how the sell price has played out relative to the asking price? Clearl
y it depends on the airplane, but with the asking prices typically between $
180K and $220K I=99d be curious to see what the selling range actually
turns out to ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank"
>http://www.m= -->
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________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 10:36:02 AM PST US
From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
7 children plus a wife who does fly!
So I need another two RV10=92s.
Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s to
train the children in.
But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should learn
to fly.
Neil
ZK-RVT
On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>
> Considered a second RV?
>
> Don
>
>
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like
a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 10:36:06 AM PST US
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
I think that's kind of what I was saying Tim.... plus when the kids are eit
her gone, or don't want to go, you can sell the extra plane.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0ATo:
rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:42 AM=0ASubject:
m Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A=0AI've got a cheap solution too!=0A=0AGet the w
ife her certificate and then build another RV.=0ASame amount of engines to
maintain as the twin, but you=0Acould have even more seats depending on the
RV, AND you=0Adon't always have to take both engines to the same=0Adestina
tion!=0A=0ATim=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0AOn 3/17/2014 10:18 AM, Don McDonald
wrote:=0A> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family?
=C2- Just=0A> kidding.=C2- Just remember when you get the twin, even a
short trip for=0A> lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and
you can't even=0A> have the fries.=0A> One guy here got a great deal on a t
win, refurbished everything, and by=0A> the time he was done he had spent a
s much as if he would have just=0A> bought or built an RV.... and now he ra
rely goes flying with all of us=0A> because of the fuel expense.=C2- Main
tenance is higher and annuals are more=0A> expensive.=C2- Good luck=0A>
=0A> Considered a second RV?=0A>=0A> Don=0A>=0A>=0A> ----------------------
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March 16, 2014 9:33 PM=0A> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Selling prices=0A>=0A
ilto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>=0A>=0A> While I=99m at it, how are people pr
icing their RV-10s, it seems like a=0A> lot of Zen and wishful thinking to
be honest.=0A>=0A> Thanks again,=0A> Marcus=0A>=0A> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:
15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com=0A> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wro
om=0A> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>=0A>=0A> I=99ve been watching Barns
tormers.com for some time, keeping an eye out=0A> for RV-10s for sale.=C2
- Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the=0A> family grows I am con
sidering moving up to a six place twin.=C2- I=99ve been=0A> impress
ed with the price most everyone has been asking for their=0A> airplane, but
have no clue what they are actually selling for.=C2- Does=0A> anyone hav
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Time: 11:10:11 AM PST US
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying
my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the
family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane for
the family and then building a 7.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
>
> 7 children plus a wife who does fly!
>
> So I need another two RV10=92s.
>
> Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s to
train the children in.
>
> But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
> So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
>
> But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should
learn to fly.
>
> Neil
> ZK-RVT
>
> On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
>> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>>
>> Considered a second RV?
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>>
>>
>> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems like
a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> new,courier">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 11:29:16 AM PST US
From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
Congratulations on #8!
The older ones are now very useful on the farm & work hard.
Homeschooling makes this easier of course.
Just need to slot in aviation as one of their subjects.
We have flown in the Airvan - just enough seats & IO540. But a bit like
the landrover we have!
Neil
On 18/03/2014, at 7:02 am, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying
my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the
family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane for
the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
>
>> Yeh - we=92re in the same boat.
>>
>> 7 children plus a wife who does fly!
>>
>> So I need another two RV10=92s.
>>
>> Much more likely to sell the one we have & get a couple of RV12=92s
to train the children in.
>>
>> But the NZ aviation market is dead flat.
>> So if anyone wants a nice RV10 kitted out for oceanic flying, let me
know. Especially if they have a couple of RV12=92s for exchange!
>>
>> But in your case - I=92d agree with Tim. Everyone=92s wife should
learn to fly.
>>
>> Neil
>> ZK-RVT
>>
>> On 18/03/2014, at 4:18 am, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just reduce the size of your family? Just
kidding. Just remember when you get the twin, even a short trip for
lunch will really be a hundred dollar hamburger.... and you can't even
have the fries.
>>> One guy here got a great deal on a twin, refurbished everything, and
by the time he was done he had spent as much as if he would have just
bought or built an RV.... and now he rarely goes flying with all of us
because of the fuel expense. Maintenance is higher and annuals are more
expensive. Good luck
>>>
>>> Considered a second RV?
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>>>
>>>
>>> While I=92m at it, how are people pricing their RV-10s, it seems
like a lot of Zen and wishful thinking to be honest.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I=92ve been watching Barnstormers.com for some time, keeping an eye
out for RV-10s for sale. Mine has been an absolute blessing but as the
family grows I am considering moving up to a six place twin. I=92ve
been impressed with the price most everyone has been asking for their
airplane, but have no clue what they are actually selling for. Does
anyone have any idea on how the sell price has played out relative to
the asking price? Clearly it depends on the airplane, but with the
asking prices typically between $180K and $220K I=92d be curious to see
what the selling range actually turns out to
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target="_blank">http://www.m= -->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> new,courier">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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ntribution
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________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 11:38:45 AM PST US
From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
RV-26? :)
-Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
purring)
> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
> for the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 11:47:22 AM PST US
From: "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Selling prices
For six seats wouldn't a Cherokee six be more economical to maintain than a
twin?
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat RV-26?
:)
-Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
purring)
> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
> for the family and then building a 7.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
> *
>
>
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________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 11:55:47 AM PST US
From: "g.combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
Look at the Aztec if it fits it will haul
It
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, "William Greenley" <wgreenley@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> For six seats wouldn't a Cherokee six be more economical to maintain than
a
> twin?
> Bill Greenley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:38 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
>
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
RV-26?
> :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
> purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
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>
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________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 12:23:22 PM PST US
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
I wasn't sure what they'd call a twin.....the 25 or 26, or
would they go with 15^2 (15 squared?)
I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a Van's twin, due
to the high cost of buying, owning, and operating 2
engines, but if they made a big RV-15Xtended that may be
something that would catch on.
Personally, I'm very happy to be flying a non-retractable
single, to save the cost, but if I were moving up I think
I'd prefer a bigger single.
Tim
do not archive
On 3/17/2014 1:38 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
> RV-26? :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
> purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 12:29:31 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
From: Justin Jones <jmjones2000@mindspring.com>
You may also consider the Murphy Moose! It's a slightly smaller Beaver. 6
place
total but can be configured with more seats for kids.
People use the tsio-540 or the M14p or the T-Moose uses a pt-6a but that
uses 24gph
of jet A.
Gotta love the experimental market!
On Mar 17, 2014, at 12:38, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
RV-26? :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
purring)
>
>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to go
with
a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with flying my Suburban
low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with the family. I do like the
idea,
however, of going with a bigger plane for the family and then building a
7.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 12:41:22 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Selling prices
From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
No Tim.
More planes would make you a squadron leader!
You need 4 of the new RV15s - the single seat, retractable, Rotax 912is 160
knots
on 3 gal/hr!
do not archive
On 18/03/2014, at 8:22 am, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure what they'd call a twin.....the 25 or 26, or
> would they go with 15^2 (15 squared?)
>
> I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a Van's twin, due
> to the high cost of buying, owning, and operating 2
> engines, but if they made a big RV-15Xtended that may be
> something that would catch on.
>
> Personally, I'm very happy to be flying a non-retractable
> single, to save the cost, but if I were moving up I think
> I'd prefer a bigger single.
>
>
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/17/2014 1:38 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>
>> It wouldn't help Jesse, but when is Van coming out with the six-seat
>> RV-26? :)
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (Getting ready to weight and can almost hear the engine
>> purring)
>>
>>> Jesse Saint <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> March 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM
>>> I'm in the same boat as you, Neil. With #8 on the way, I would have to
>>> go with a Caravan to fly everybody. I guess I have to stick with
>>> flying my Suburban low and slow (0AGL and 60Kts) when traveling with
>>> the family. I do like the idea, however, of going with a bigger plane
>>> for the family and then building a 7.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>> F: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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Time: 04:57:41 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle
portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of
the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably
accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up
a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in
tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more
weight in the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other
solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the
general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Time: 05:26:36 PM PST US
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the straps
attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A simple
opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle
valve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the
passenger's left leg. I use the AL682 bottle - more than enough for my
needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each got
a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we can
charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for
mounting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my
wife's one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
Aileron trim - put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control unit and an
Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisions,
since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wondering
how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like to
mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle
portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of
the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably
accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons is
a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a
ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks
don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in
the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequate
to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in
aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general
consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Time: 05:43:12 PM PST US
From: "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
MH for me too. I bought the O2D2 from MH and love it for the front two
passengers and regulators for the rear.
I agree with Carl, Van=99s aileron trim is simple and works great
with the Infinity grips.
Fuel- buy a fuel selector with Left, Right, Off and AUX. you can plug
it at first and see if you end up wanting more fuel later.
From: Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd
like to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the
bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through
the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to
be reasonably accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60
gallons is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve).
I've considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to
hook up a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip
slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put
significantly more weight in the wings that they weren't designed for
(vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like
the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Time: 06:03:54 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my opi
nion....
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the strap
s attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A simp
le opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle v
alve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the p
assenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than eno
ugh for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>
> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each go
t a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we can
charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
s
o it does not break the bank.
>
> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for mou
nting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>
> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control un
it and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>
> Carl
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>
> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decision
s, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonderi
ng how people had done some of the following:
>
> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
t
o mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle port
able, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the
a
ircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessi
ble?
>
> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
i
s a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've consid
ered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a ferry
tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't
carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in the
w
ings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>
> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequa
te to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in ai
leron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general co
nsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>
> Steve
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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Time: 06:40:41 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Interesting discussion. I have all 3 trims in my -10 and I very seldom use h
e aileron trim, although I do use it. I am usually flying on the auto pilot
a
nd then trimming the rudder levels the plane.
Jesse
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wr
ote:
>
> Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my o
pinion....
> -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net
> wrote:
>>
>> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the stra
ps attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A sim
ple opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle
v
alve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the p
assenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than eno
ugh for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>>
>> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each g
ot a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we ca
n charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
>>
>> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for mo
unting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>>
>> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control u
nit and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>
>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisio
ns, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonder
ing how people had done some of the following:
>>
>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle po
rtable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of th
e aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acce
ssible?
>>
>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've cons
idered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a fer
ry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don
't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in th
e wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>
>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequ
ate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in a
ileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general c
onsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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Time: 07:00:17 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
1. Aerox O2 tank on top of the tunnel, valve between the front seats.
2. Rudder trim is a fixed wedge, that's all I need. Plane climbs so well it
is
not a big deal to hold rudder during climb.
3. No aileron trim, I keep it balanced pretty well with 30 minute fuel tank
changes.
I also use the autopilot in cruise.
4. Nearly always run lean of peak, 160 KTAS with less than 10 gal/hr gives
me 5
+ 1 hour endurance, that's plenty for me.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420515#420515
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Time: 07:30:33 PM PST US
From: "g.combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I agree with Jesse. All three. I have auto trim on elevator which is
Awesome.
As for o2 portable sits on tunnel between front and rear seats
And can service front and rear passengers with ease and can be removed in se
conds
Geoff Combs
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion. I have all 3 trims in my -10 and I very seldom use
he aileron trim, although I do use it. I am usually flying on the auto pilo
t and then trimming the rudder levels the plane.
>
> Jesse
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> w
rote:
>>
>> Rudder trim is the one to not bother with. Aileron trim is a must in my
o
pinion....
>> -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.ne
t> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oxygen. The easiest way is to use a Mountain High portable rig, the str
aps attached under screw heads on the tunnel cover to hold the bottle. A si
mple opening of the zipper from the pilot seat gets you access to the bottle
valve. I mounted the O2 control unit on the side of the tunnel next to the
passenger=99s left leg. I use the AL682 bottle =93 more than e
nough for my needs. http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/cylinders/aluminum
>>>
>>> At the airpark a group of us went in on a single charging rig, and each
g
ot a O2 bottle that we get refilled locally. With 4 bottles in series we ca
n charge all our bottles a bunch of times, and at $40 a refill every year or
so it does not break the bank.
>>>
>>> If and when you need ferry tanks figure it out then. Many options for m
ounting them in the fuselage. I find 60 gallons to more than exceed my wife
=99s one leg tolerance level. I run LOP 90% of the time.
>>>
>>> Aileron trim =93 put it in. Buy the two axis Safety trim control u
nit and an Infinity grip with a top hat for trim. I use it frequently.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:57 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>>>
>>> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisi
ons, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonde
ring how people had done some of the following:
>>>
>>> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd lik
e to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle p
ortable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of t
he aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably acc
essible?
>>>
>>> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallon
s is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've con
sidered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a fe
rry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks do
n't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in t
he wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>>>
>>> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adeq
uate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in
a
ileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general c
onsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
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Time: 08:10:38 PM PST US
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
Since the aileron trim can be added at any time, after you are flying, I
see no reason to install unless you really feel a need after you are flying.
IMHO, 4 hours of IFR flying is the max I want to do solo. Since I very
rarely have another instrument rated pilot with me, 5 hours of range is
plenty for me to cover reserves. 4 hours will get you almost 500 nm.
I've used Aerox tank for years. Probably will add MH pulse demand unit.
I've flown LOP for years with my 4 cyl Mooney and expect will be same in
the RV.
On 3/17/2014 6:59 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> 1. Aerox O2 tank on top of the tunnel, valve between the front seats.
> 2. Rudder trim is a fixed wedge, that's all I need. Plane climbs so well
it is
not a big deal to hold rudder during climb.
> 3. No aileron trim, I keep it balanced pretty well with 30 minute fuel
tank changes.
I also use the autopilot in cruise.
> 4. Nearly always run lean of peak, 160 KTAS with less than 10 gal/hr gives
me
5 + 1 hour endurance, that's plenty for me.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420515#420515
>
>
________________________________ Message 22
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Time: 09:12:02 PM PST US
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@live.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
3) Aileron trim:- I fly solo most of the time (sadly) if you will as
well get it! I have my aileron trimmed for most of my early flights
after refueling due to the left side sitting lower than the right. With
the trim the plane flies straight, as the fuel burns off the left I
retrim back to center. I didn=99t think I would use it, but glad I
have it. You can easily add it in the future, although it is easier to
add the trim with the skins off.
I have a Don Mcdonald special- otherwise known as a aluminum tab bended
to make for a perfectly trimmed rudder in cruise.
Pascal
From: Steven DeFord
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I
was wondering how people had done some of the following:
1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd
like to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the
bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through
the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to
be reasonably accessible?
2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60
gallons is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve).
I've considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to
hook up a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip
slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put
significantly more weight in the wings that they weren't designed for
(vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people
put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like
the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
Steve
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Time: 09:22:13 PM PST US
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
If you don't install it right away, you may want to at least run the servo
wires. I just find that doing things the way you want it the first time
makes for a lot less frustration. Rework always takes much extra time.
One correction though. 4 hours will get you MORE than 500nm...probably
close to 650nm actually, even LOP. The plane is more fun than you'd
imagine.
I don't have the MH system, but, for anyone planning on seriously
using O2, I think it's the best system out there. I wish I had it, but
to get what I want would cost more than I'm currently willing to buy.
That said, there will be a day, post kids-at-home, that I'll just buy it.
Tim
On 3/17/2014 10:09 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Since the aileron trim can be added at any time, after you are flying,
> I see no reason to install unless you really feel a need after you are
> flying.
> IMHO, 4 hours of IFR flying is the max I want to do solo. Since I very
> rarely have another instrument rated pilot with me, 5 hours of range
> is plenty for me to cover reserves. 4 hours will get you almost 500 nm.
> I've used Aerox tank for years. Probably will add MH pulse demand unit.
> I've flown LOP for years with my 4 cyl Mooney and expect will be same
> in the RV.
>
>
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Time: 09:57:16 PM PST US
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
Either I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS principal.- Defi
nitely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for the other two.-
I fly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to the Sacramento area.
... both directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN).- Both legs are 600 t
o 630nm.- My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoenix) to 0tx1, it wa
s 747nm and I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons remaining.- This w
as without a normal wonderful tailwind.=0ANotice you talked about hours and
not actual range.... how FAR are you looking to fly?=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Steven DeFord <riveteddrago
n@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 17, 2014
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=0AI realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decisi
ons, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wond
ering how people had done some of the following:=0A=0A1) -Oxygen: -With
the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like to mount some sort
of oxygen system. -Assuming I want to keep the bottle portable, and not
have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the aircraft, whe
re have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessible?=0A=0A2
) -Fuel: -Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallon
s is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). -I've
considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up
a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tan
ks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weigh
t in the wings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). -Other sol
utions?=0A=0A3) -Aileron trim: -The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's
probably adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do
people put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? -It seems
like the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."=0A=0ASteve
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Time: 10:19:33 PM PST US
From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
Well, as always, the farther/faster the better, but nonstop from San Francis
co-Seattle and SF to Tucson are the more typical mission. If 650-700 mi ran
ge is plausible with IFR reserves, that's probably adequate. Does that mand
ate LoP and tune injectors, or just throttle back a bit?
Steven DeFord
RivetedDragon@gmail.com
(925) 596-0426 (cell)
On Mar 17, 2014, at 21:56, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Either I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS principal. Defin
itely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for the other two. I f
ly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to the Sacramento area.... b
oth directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN). Both legs are 600 to 630nm.
My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoenix) to 0tx1, it was 747nm and
I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons remaining. This was without a n
ormal wonderful tailwind.
> Notice you talked about hours and not actual range.... how FAR are you loo
king to fly?
> Don McDonald
>
> From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:56 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
>
> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these decision
s, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but I was wonderi
ng how people had done some of the following:
>
> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd like
t
o mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the bottle port
able, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through the side of the
a
ircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as to be reasonably accessi
ble?
>
> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons
i
s a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). I've consid
ered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a ferry
tank to sit in the back seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't
carry quite enough, and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in the
w
ings that they weren't designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
>
> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequa
te to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in ai
leron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It seems like the general co
nsensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
>
> Steve
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Time: 10:57:39 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Picking the Matronics List's brain.
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
700 nm plus alternate plus ifr reserve (no wind) can be done LOP, or by
throttling
well back. I suspect the majority of owners are crusing LOP. It's easy and
inexpensive to tune injectors. Save gas, low CHTs. What's not to like?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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You'll want to fly LOP... the whole process is really pretty simple... plus
when you're done adjusting and flying a bit, you know more about your plan
e and it's performance than you would have otherwise.=0AOne thing that some
of you might not know.... was flying from Newport OR down the coast to Gol
d Beach, and had an unbelievable tailwind. (4 souls on board) When I levele
d off at 3,500' (to sight see) and went LOP... I glanced down and I was onl
y getting 16.5mpg.... after a little thinking, I sped up about 20 mph, and
like magic, I was now getting 18.5mpg.- So there is a minimum speed neede
d to achieve the best economy.- (Around 150mph indicated)- Had I been a
t 10,000+ feet I would have probably been seeing 23 to 25 mpg... as I have
on several return trips from Calif back to Texas.- (see attached pic)=0AS
o, the point here is that you can throttle back to far, which will not allo
w you to fly farther.=0ADon McDonald =0A=0APic attached shows what can be a
chieved with a good tailwind.- At 2,100 rpm,half throttle, and LOP, you c
an still not only run fast, but run efficiently.- Notice IAS still around
150mph.- Seems to be the sweet spot for my 10. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________
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o: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, Ma
rch 18, 2014 12:18 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Picking the Matronics List'
s brain.=0A =0A=0A=0AWell, as always, the farther/faster the better, but no
nstop from San Francisco-Seattle and SF to Tucson are the more typical miss
ion. -If 650-700 mi range is plausible with IFR reserves, that's probably
adequate. -Does that mandate LoP and tune injectors, or just throttle ba
ck a bit?=0A=0ASteven DeFord=0ARivetedDragon@gmail.com=0A(925) 596-0426 (ce
ll)=0A=0AOn Mar 17, 2014, at 21:56, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.co
m> wrote:=0A=0A=0AEither I'm just lazy, or I really do believe in the KISS
principal.- Definitely need Oxygen, but not sure about the great need for
the other two.- I fly back and forth from 0tx1, south of Ft. Worth to th
e Sacramento area.... both directions I only make one fuel stop (SJN).- B
oth legs are 600 to 630nm.- My longest flight was from Chandler AZ (Phoen
ix) to 0tx1, it was 747nm and I fueled upon arrival and had 12.5 gallons re
maining.- This was without a normal wonderful tailwind.=0A>Notice you tal
ked about hours and not actual range.... how FAR are you looking to fly?=0A
>Don McDonald=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From:
Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>=0A>To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:56 PM=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Picking the Ma
tronics List's brain.=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>I realize that it's a bit early for m
e to be making some of these decisions, since I'm still only about halfway
through the Emp kit, but I was wondering how people had done some of the fo
llowing:=0A>=0A>=0A>1) -Oxygen: -With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR
performance), I'd like to mount some sort of oxygen system. -Assuming I w
ant to keep the bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a tr
uck through the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle
so as to be reasonably accessible?=0A>=0A>=0A>2) -Fuel: -Unless running
LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60 gallons is a bit shy for my purpos
es (would like 5h range + 1h reserve). -I've considered adding a bit of f
uel tubing in the tunnel to be able to hook up a ferry tank to sit in the b
ack seat, since the 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough,
and I'm afraid to put significantly more weight in the wings that they wer
en't designed for (vs. the cabin). -Other solutions?=0A>=0A>=0A>3) -Ail
eron trim: -The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably adequate to
just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do people put in aileron
trim, and if so, have they used it much? -It seems like the general cons
ensus on the websites is "Don't bother."=0A>=0A>=0A>Steve=0A>http://www.mat
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The -10 climbs so well, and cruises so well up high, that I would suggest you consider
permanent mount O2. I have a MH 4-place demand setup, and love it. With
2 tanks and transfill setup in my hangar, I top off the MH tank before most
long xcountries.
I live in CO and fly long trips over the mountains. Typical flight is between 12-16,000,
LOP, WOT from takeoff to landing. Last week we did Denver to Loreto
MX with one fuel stop at Sierra Vista. Maxed out the pee bottles.
I know some people like to fly low to check out the scenery, but in my neck of
the woods that frequently puts you out of radio/radar contact. I also like the
extra altitude if the whirly thing up front quits.
Can you do without aileron trim? Sure, but in the -10, why? The install and expense
is infinitesimal in the overall scheme of things. If you are planning long
trips, fly in trim and wring out every knot the plane is capable of.
Jim Berry
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Where'd you mount the bottle? Behind the baggage compartment seems awkward to
get to in order to fill, and I'd like to be able to fill the tank at an FBO without
requiring an oxygen truck going to a port on the plane. It seems like tucked
in behind the rear seats makes sense, although that reduces baggage space...
Steven DeFord
RivetedDragon@gmail.com
(925) 596-0426 (cell)
On Mar 18, 2014, at 13:01, "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> The -10 climbs so well, and cruises so well up high, that I would suggest you
consider permanent mount O2. I have a MH 4-place demand setup, and love it. With
2 tanks and transfill setup in my hangar, I top off the MH tank before most
long xcountries.
>
> I live in CO and fly long trips over the mountains. Typical flight is between
12-16,000, LOP, WOT from takeoff to landing. Last week we did Denver to Loreto
MX with one fuel stop at Sierra Vista. Maxed out the pee bottles.
>
> I know some people like to fly low to check out the scenery, but in my neck of
the woods that frequently puts you out of radio/radar contact. I also like the
extra altitude if the whirly thing up front quits.
>
> Can you do without aileron trim? Sure, but in the -10, why? The install and expense
is infinitesimal in the overall scheme of things. If you are planning long
trips, fly in trim and wring out every knot the plane is capable of.
>
> Jim Berry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420558#420558
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My O2 bottle is mounted behind the baggage bulkhead, with the fill valve mounted
through the bulkhead and accessible from the baggage area. I carry a 10 foot
long fill tube, but have only used it once, as a full bottle normally lasts us
for a round trip.
Jim Berry
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On 3/18/2014 4:01 PM, Jim Berry wrote:
>
> The -10 climbs so well, and cruises so well up high, that I would suggest you
consider permanent mount O2. I have a MH 4-place demand setup, and love it. With
2 tanks and transfill setup in my hangar, I top off the MH tank before most
long xcountries.
When you fly in Colorado, you're takeoff is about where my cruising
altitude is .... in FL. So, in your case it makes sense to keep toting
the O2 bottle around. The only time I'll ever use O2 is on a long cross
country .... not to get a hamburger so a portable makes more sense for
me. It's all in the mission thingy.
> I live in CO and fly long trips over the mountains. Typical flight is between
12-16,000, LOP, WOT from takeoff to landing. Last week we did Denver to Loreto
MX with one fuel stop at Sierra Vista. Maxed out the pee bottles.
>
> I know some people like to fly low to check out the scenery, but in my neck of
the woods that frequently puts you out of radio/radar contact. I also like the
extra altitude if the whirly thing up front quits.
>
> Can you do without aileron trim? Sure, but in the -10, why? The install and expense
is infinitesimal in the overall scheme of things. If you are planning long
trips, fly in trim and wring out every knot the plane is capable of.
I agree .... it's so easy and inexpensive to put aileron and rudder trim
in while you're building. After you're flying you'll really hate to
take the plane off-line to do any mods. I'll be putting in both aileron
trim and rudder trim using a model airplane servo to drive hinge tabs.
They require pulse-width signals which are generated by a Parallax BS2
controller
(http://www.parallax.com/catalog/microcontrollers/basic-stamp). It also
controls a servo to pan my camera and pulses my elevator trim. All
controlled from my infinity grip.
Linn
>
> Jim Berry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "c1jensen" <chasen_fly@aol.com>
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the
Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in
Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc
Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support
issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at
425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support@verticalpower.com
>
>--------
>Chad Jensen
>Vertical Power Support
>RV-7, built, flown, sold
Great to see you on the List, Chad. I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one
in my RV-6. Absolutely love them. I can't imagine flying without the electrical
automation features of the VP-200 specifically. Will Astronics be working
on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features? Marc had said
that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand
that Astronics won't be carrying those models.
For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the
automation. If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system,
I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200
in a heartbeat.
Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.
Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,
-
Matt Dralle
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On 3/17/2014 7:56 PM, Steven DeFord wrote:
> I realize that it's a bit early for me to be making some of these
> decisions, since I'm still only about halfway through the Emp kit, but
> I was wondering how people had done some of the following:
>
> 1) Oxygen: With the lovely ceiling (and good IFR performance), I'd
> like to mount some sort of oxygen system. Assuming I want to keep the
> bottle portable, and not have to get oxygen service by a truck through
> the side of the aircraft, where have people mounted the bottle so as
> to be reasonably accessible?
I fabricated a fiberglass center console that fully encloses an Aerox
tank and fittings. The tank can be removed in 2 minutes or the whole
console, with or without the tank, even faster. The best part is the
console supplies a mounting point for a RAM iPad mount. See it all here:
Kitlog Entry for O2 Console
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533>
>
> 2) Fuel: Unless running LOP (not sure how I'll be doing it), 60
> gallons is a bit shy for my purposes (would like 5h range + 1h
> reserve). I've considered adding a bit of fuel tubing in the tunnel
> to be able to hook up a ferry tank to sit in the back seat, since the
> 15 gal wingtip slide-in tanks don't carry quite enough, and I'm afraid
> to put significantly more weight in the wings that they weren't
> designed for (vs. the cabin). Other solutions?
I plan for 5 hours including reserves with the stock setup. That's over
600NM not including a 1 hour reserve. Plan to run LOP. The tuning is
cheap (high ROI) and easy with Airflow's restrictors and anyone's engine
monitor.
>
> 3) Aileron trim: The -10 comes with pitch trim, and it's probably
> adequate to just use an adjustable bungee for rudder trim, but do
> people put in aileron trim, and if so, have they used it much? It
> seems like the general consensus on the websites is "Don't bother."
I have aileron trim, barely use it but recommend it. Easy to put in
during the build. More of a pain post construction. I don't have
rudder trim, didn't miss it, but as my time in the rudder-centric Maule
falls by the way side, I'm beginning to like the idea of some kind of
rudder trim.
Bill "it flies really really well the way it was designed" Watson
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Bill,
Did you make it to the AFP class?
How was it?
Bob
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How useful is auto-trim?
Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and
their servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
Linn
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After flying for while I "automatically trim" when the flaps come down. I don't
even think about it, at this point.
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> How useful is auto-trim?
> Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
>
> The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and their
servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
> Linn
>
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For a long flight, auto trim is really nice. Not required, but really nice.
Jesse
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:35 PM, PReid <Rv10flyer@live.com> wrote:
>
>
> After flying for while I "automatically trim" when the flaps come down. I don't
even think about it, at this point.
>
>
>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> How useful is auto-trim?
>> Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
>>
>> The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and their
servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
>> Linn
>
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I believe Garmin's new servos wire into the existing trim motors and will
auto-trim when autopilot is on.
-----Original Message-----
From: Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: auto trim
How useful is auto-trim?
Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and
their servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
Linn
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I have the Trio Pro with autotrim, and it's a 'nice to have'. It lets the autopilot
fly the climb, level out, speed up, and it does the trimming. Same on an
approach, with slowing down and flap deployment.
Also I use it manually, when hand flying, to make fine adjustments, since the trim
speed is airspeed sensitive.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Keep in mind that a tank behind the bulkhead may limit baggage at full loads due
to aft cg.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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At 03:42 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>How useful is auto-trim?
>Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
>
>The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and their
servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
>Linn
Auto-trim is *awesome*. I have it on the RV-8 with the TruTrak AP and it works
fantastic. On the RV-6 with the Dynon, I do NOT have it and miss it like crazy.
The Dynon is always crying about "Trim up", "Trim down". Waa waa waa. Get's
annoying.
Invest in the auto-trim. You won't regret it.
$.02
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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Bob Turner wrote:
> Keep in mind that a tank behind the bulkhead may limit baggage at full loads
due to aft cg.
I have the carbon fiber MH bottle. While I have never calculated its impact on
CG, I suspect it is much less than the tools, parts and survival gear I routinely
carry. But you have a valid point.
Read this topic online here:
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Yes, Garmin's new servos have auto-trim built in. Easy, clean install.
Tim
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> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
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> I believe Garmin's new servos wire into the existing trim motors and will auto-trim
when autopilot is on.
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> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> How useful is auto-trim?
> Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
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> The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and
> their servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
> Linn
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I think auto trim is great. I installed it after about a hundred hours and
found it greatly reduced workload, especially during instrument approaches.
It's one less thing to think about, especially since I never really found
the TT trim annunciator to be all that intuitive. That cascading bar-graph
thingy tricks me about half the time...
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> How useful is auto-trim?
> Are there major pitch changes with flap deployment?
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> The reason for the questions is that I have MGL Odyssey EFIS panels and
> their servos .... and they just came out with their SP-10 auto-trim module.
> Linn
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