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1. 01:47 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Carlos Trigo)
2. 02:39 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Bob Leffler)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Michael Kraus)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Geoff Combs)
6. 07:57 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Deems Davis)
7. 01:18 PM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine co (Bob Turner)
8. 08:15 PM - Fuel flow sensor mounting (Dave Saylor)
9. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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compartment
Geoff
I don=92t have the engine nearby, so I can=92t confirm what I am going
to ask.
You installed the =93red cube=94 in the fuel line between the throttle
body and
the fuel spider, right? Is that fuel line included with the engine?
I=92m asking because it seems that fuel line is not included in the FF
kit
from Van=92s.
Do you happen to have the specifications (diameter, lenght and fittings)
of
those 2 fuel lines to which the red cube is attached to?
Regards
Carlos
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs
Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 14:15
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel
to
engine compartment
Bill
Here are some pictures that might help. 430 hrs and working great
Geoff Combs
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel
to
engine compartment
Thanks, that helps.
Regarding the 90 degree fitting; the 90degree fitting shown on your old
hose
is the "full flow" type according to Don@Airflow, and that's okay. The
fitting you want to avoid is the 90 degree fitting where there is no
curve.
That type of fitting will impede the free flow of fuel. (I'm just
repeating
what Don told our class a few weeks ago).
On 3/30/2014 1:57 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Yes,
I went through the same thing after talking to Don @ Airflow, I have the
Floscan and "mounted " it @ the front corner of the engine case
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04976.html
. I
used a mounting bracket fabbed out of alu similar to:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04980.html
. I
ordered 2 new hoses to replace this:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04978.html
.
The hose the connects the servo and the flow scan has a right angle
fitting
where it connects to the floscan. There is a caution some where about
avoiding that, but the configuration works flawlessly with no
fluctuations.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
Thanks!
It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and just
supported
by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the same. Anyone with
experience
using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?
(do not archive)
On 3/29/2014 2:04 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
Bill,
Mark Cooper's blog has some pics and a description of his mounting in
the
similar location.
http://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/red-cube-relocation-garmin-
gtn
-750-tx-fixed-par100ex-music-limitations-and-afs-screen-tweaks/
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to
engine
compartment
Can anyone point me to any installation pictures of FloScan
installations
where the unit is mounted between the fuel controller and the spider?
Any
links or pics appreciated.
Background:
I've decided to change the location of my fuel flow unit from the tunnel
to
between the fuel controller and the spider. I've seen a few pictures of
other installations but I know I've seen some I can't find at the
moment.
I've gotten quite comfortable with the tunnel installation. There's no
doubt that it's a bit inaccurate with the boost pump on but that's not
really a problem.
However, the folks at Airflow pointed out 2 other issues that I'm in
fact
experiencing:
1) Fuel flow readings fluctuate a bit, as recorded by my GRT system.
It's only plus/minus .2GPH but it limits the accuracy of my nozzle
tuning
efforts. I'm tuned up pretty good right now but I'd like to improve it
a
bit more.
2) During full power climbs my fuel pressure drops a bit below where it
should and that causes me to turn on my boost pump for short periods of
time
midway up during my climb outs. I can't recite the exact reasons for
that
as described by Don Rivera at Airflow, but it's related to the
restriction
of flow sensor and it's location between the tank and the engine driven
fuel
pump. As I understand it, it's best to have as few restrictions as
possible
upstream of the fuel pump. And having inadequate fuel pressure during
full
power operations is undesirable.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine |
compartment
Carlos,
The cube is typically supplied by the EFIS manufacturer as part of the engin
e instrumentation.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:45 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Geoff
>
> I don=99t have the engine nearby, so I can=99t confirm what I a
m going to ask.
>
> You installed the =9Cred cube=9D in the fuel line between the t
hrottle body and the fuel spider, right? Is that fuel line included with the
engine?
> I=99m asking because it seems that fuel line is not included in the
FF kit from Van=99s.
>
> Do you happen to have the specifications (diameter, lenght and fittings) o
f those 2 fuel lines to which the red cube is attached to?
>
> Regards
> Carlos
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs
> Sent: ter=C3=A7a-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 14:15
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to e
ngine compartment
>
> Bill
> Here are some pictures that might help. 430 hrs and working great
>
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to e
ngine compartment
>
> Thanks, that helps.
>
> Regarding the 90 degree fitting; the 90degree fitting shown on your old ho
se is the "full flow" type according to Don@Airflow, and that's okay. The f
itting you want to avoid is the 90 degree fitting where there is no curve. T
hat type of fitting will impede the free flow of fuel. (I'm just repeating w
hat Don told our class a few weeks ago).
>
> On 3/30/2014 1:57 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I went through the same thing after talking to Don @ Airflow, I have the Fl
oscan and "mounted " it @ the front corner of the engine case http://deemsrv
10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04976.html. I used a mounti
ng bracket fabbed out of alu similar to: http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF
4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04980.html. I ordered 2 new hoses to replace thi
s: http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04978.html
. The hose the connects the servo and the flow scan has a right angle fittin
g where it connects to the floscan. There is a caution some where about avoi
ding that, but the configuration works flawlessly with no fluctuations.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote
:
>
> Thanks!
>
> It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and just supporte
d by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the same. Anyone with experience
using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?
> (do not archive)
>
> On 3/29/2014 2:04 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Mark Cooper's blog has some pics and a description of his mounting in the
> similar location.
>
> http://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/red-cube-relocation-garmin-g
tn
> -750-tx-fixed-par100ex-music-limitations-and-afs-screen-tweaks/
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engi
ne
> compartment
>
>
> Can anyone point me to any installation pictures of FloScan installations
> where the unit is mounted between the fuel controller and the spider? Any
> links or pics appreciated.
>
> Background:
> I've decided to change the location of my fuel flow unit from the tunnel t
o
> between the fuel controller and the spider. I've seen a few pictures of
> other installations but I know I've seen some I can't find at the moment.
>
> I've gotten quite comfortable with the tunnel installation. There's no
> doubt that it's a bit inaccurate with the boost pump on but that's not
> really a problem.
>
> However, the folks at Airflow pointed out 2 other issues that I'm in fact
> experiencing:
> 1) Fuel flow readings fluctuate a bit, as recorded by my GRT system.
> It's only plus/minus .2GPH but it limits the accuracy of my nozzle tuning
> efforts. I'm tuned up pretty good right now but I'd like to improve it a
> bit more.
> 2) During full power climbs my fuel pressure drops a bit below where it
> should and that causes me to turn on my boost pump for short periods of ti
me
> midway up during my climb outs. I can't recite the exact reasons for that
> as described by Don Rivera at Airflow, but it's related to the restrictio
n
> of flow sensor and it's location between the tank and the engine driven fu
el
> pump. As I understand it, it's best to have as few restrictions as possib
le
> upstream of the fuel pump. And having inadequate fuel pressure during ful
l
> power operations is undesirable.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine |
compartment
You are correct. Vans does not supply the fuel line from the fuel servo
to the flow divider(spider). It may or may not be supplied with the
engine, depending on whether you get a new engine from Van's or rebuilt
elsewhere. If you plan on putting the red cube where Geoff did, you
would have to replace that hose with two new ones anyway. I don't have
those dimensions as I also need to make or procure that hose. It costs a
bit more, but I think I will go with integral firesleeve hose there,
which cannot be field fabricated.
Kelly
On 4/1/2014 1:45 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Geoff
>
> I dont have the engine nearby, so I cant confirm what I am going to ask.
>
> You installed the red cube in the fuel line between the throttle
> body and the fuel spider, right? Is that fuel line included with the
> engine?
>
> Im asking because it seems that fuel line is not included in the FF
> kit from Vans.
>
> Do you happen to have the specifications (diameter, lenght and
> fittings) of those 2 fuel lines to which the red cube is attached to?
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Combs
> *Sent:* tera-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 14:15
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from
> tunnel to engine compartment
>
> Bill
>
> Here are some pictures that might help. 430 hrs and working great
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:47 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from
> tunnel to engine compartment
>
> Thanks, that helps.
>
> Regarding the 90 degree fitting; the 90degree fitting shown on your
> old hose is the "full flow" type according to Don@Airflow, and that's
> okay. The fitting you want to avoid is the 90 degree fitting where
> there is no curve. That type of fitting will impede the free flow of
> fuel. (I'm just repeating what Don told our class a few weeks ago).
>
> On 3/30/2014 1:57 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Yes,
>
> I went through the same thing after talking to Don @ Airflow, I
> have the Floscan and "mounted " it @ the front corner of the
> engine case
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04976.html.
> I used a mounting bracket fabbed out of alu similar to:
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04980.html.
> I ordered 2 new hoses to replace this:
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04978.html.
> The hose the connects the servo and the flow scan has a right
> angle fitting where it connects to the floscan. There is a caution
> some where about avoiding that, but the configuration works
> flawlessly with no fluctuations.
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Bill Watson
> <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Thanks!
>
> It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and
> just supported by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the
> same. Anyone with experience using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?
> (do not archive)
>
> On 3/29/2014 2:04 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> <rv10@sinkrate.com <mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com>>
>
> Bill,
>
> Mark Cooper's blog has some pics and a description of his
> mounting in the
> similar location.
>
> http://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/red-cube-relocation-garmin-gtn
> -750-tx-fixed-par100ex-music-limitations-and-afs-screen-tweaks/
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location
> from tunnel to engine
> compartment
>
>
> Can anyone point me to any installation pictures of
> FloScan installations
> where the unit is mounted between the fuel controller and
> the spider? Any
> links or pics appreciated.
>
> Background:
> I've decided to change the location of my fuel flow unit
> from the tunnel to
> between the fuel controller and the spider. I've seen a
> few pictures of
> other installations but I know I've seen some I can't find
> at the moment.
>
> I've gotten quite comfortable with the tunnel
> installation. There's no
> doubt that it's a bit inaccurate with the boost pump on
> but that's not
> really a problem.
>
> However, the folks at Airflow pointed out 2 other issues
> that I'm in fact
> experiencing:
> 1) Fuel flow readings fluctuate a bit, as recorded by my
> GRT system.
> It's only plus/minus .2GPH but it limits the accuracy of
> my nozzle tuning
> efforts. I'm tuned up pretty good right now but I'd like
> to improve it a
> bit more.
> 2) During full power climbs my fuel pressure drops a bit
> below where it
> should and that causes me to turn on my boost pump for
> short periods of time
> midway up during my climb outs. I can't recite the exact
> reasons for that
> as described by Don Rivera at Airflow, but it's related to
> the restriction
> of flow sensor and it's location between the tank and the
> engine driven fuel
> pump. As I understand it, it's best to have as few
> restrictions as possible
> upstream of the fuel pump. And having inadequate fuel
> pressure during full
> power operations is undesirable.
>
> Bill
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine |
compartment
<<I will go with integral firesleeve hose there, which cannot be field fabricated.>>
I fabricated all my fuel and oil lines on both my RV-4 and RV-10 with integrated
fire sleeve. Why do you say they cannot be done in the field? They are actually
rather easy to fabricate...
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> I will go with integral firesleeve hose there, which cannot be field fabricated.
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compartment
Carlos
If I remember correctly I took my original line and had them cut it and
add
the new fittings as need and then
Cut to the new lengths.
There is a place nearby that does all types of custom hoses.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel
to
engine compartment
Geoff
I don=92t have the engine nearby, so I can=92t confirm what I am going
to ask.
You installed the =93red cube=94 in the fuel line between the throttle
body and
the fuel spider, right? Is that fuel line included with the engine?
I=92m asking because it seems that fuel line is not included in the FF
kit
from Van=92s.
Do you happen to have the specifications (diameter, lenght and fittings)
of
those 2 fuel lines to which the red cube is attached to?
Regards
Carlos
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs
Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 14:15
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel
to
engine compartment
Bill
Here are some pictures that might help. 430 hrs and working great
Geoff Combs
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel
to
engine compartment
Thanks, that helps.
Regarding the 90 degree fitting; the 90degree fitting shown on your old
hose
is the "full flow" type according to Don@Airflow, and that's okay. The
fitting you want to avoid is the 90 degree fitting where there is no
curve.
That type of fitting will impede the free flow of fuel. (I'm just
repeating
what Don told our class a few weeks ago).
On 3/30/2014 1:57 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
Yes,
I went through the same thing after talking to Don @ Airflow, I have the
Floscan and "mounted " it @ the front corner of the engine case
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04976.html
. I
used a mounting bracket fabbed out of alu similar to:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04980.html
. I
ordered 2 new hoses to replace this:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04978.html
.
The hose the connects the servo and the flow scan has a right angle
fitting
where it connects to the floscan. There is a caution some where about
avoiding that, but the configuration works flawlessly with no
fluctuations.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
<mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> > wrote:
<mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> >
Thanks!
It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and just
supported
by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the same. Anyone with
experience
using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?
(do not archive)
On 3/29/2014 2:04 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
<mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com> >
Bill,
Mark Cooper's blog has some pics and a description of his mounting in
the
similar location.
http://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/red-cube-relocation-garmin-
gtn
-750-tx-fixed-par100ex-music-limitations-and-afs-screen-tweaks/
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to
engine
compartment
Can anyone point me to any installation pictures of FloScan
installations
where the unit is mounted between the fuel controller and the spider?
Any
links or pics appreciated.
Background:
I've decided to change the location of my fuel flow unit from the tunnel
to
between the fuel controller and the spider. I've seen a few pictures of
other installations but I know I've seen some I can't find at the
moment.
I've gotten quite comfortable with the tunnel installation. There's no
doubt that it's a bit inaccurate with the boost pump on but that's not
really a problem.
However, the folks at Airflow pointed out 2 other issues that I'm in
fact
experiencing:
1) Fuel flow readings fluctuate a bit, as recorded by my GRT system.
It's only plus/minus .2GPH but it limits the accuracy of my nozzle
tuning
efforts. I'm tuned up pretty good right now but I'd like to improve it
a
bit more.
2) During full power climbs my fuel pressure drops a bit below where it
should and that causes me to turn on my boost pump for short periods of
time
midway up during my climb outs. I can't recite the exact reasons for
that
as described by Don Rivera at Airflow, but it's related to the
restriction
of flow sensor and it's location between the tank and the engine driven
fuel
pump. As I understand it, it's best to have as few restrictions as
possible
upstream of the fuel pump. And having inadequate fuel pressure during
full
power operations is undesirable.
Bill
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integral vs integrated
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>wrote:
> >
>
>
> <<I will go with integral firesleeve hose there, which cannot be field
> fabricated.>>
>
> I fabricated all my fuel and oil lines on both my RV-4 and RV-10 with
> integrated fire sleeve. Why do you say they cannot be done in the field?
> They are actually rather easy to fabricate...
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will go with integral firesleeve hose there, which cannot be field
> fabricated.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine |
co
"It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and just
supported by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the same. Anyone
with experience using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?"
Many years ago we installed a fuel flow device on our 182. I think it was a FF450??
Back then the instructions were explicit to not hard mount it, but to suspend
it between two flexible hoses. I think the installation kit back then came
with fire-sleeve large enough in diameter to go over the transducer as well
as the two hoses (secured by hose clamps). Last I heard it was still working just
fine, going on at least a dozen years.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Fuel flow sensor mounting |
Here are a couple pictures of a recent install. I've used both
hose-mounted and bracket-mounted methods and both seem to work just fine,
although I just prefer having the cube on a bracket. I started using sheet
steel for making engine-mounted brackets a while back since steel seems to
tolerate vibration better than aluminum. All the stock brackets are steel.
This one is .050" thick.
I originally had my cube mounted between the hoses, tipped at about a 45*
angle. It failed at about 400 hours--just quit giving any data. EI
replaced it, free of charge, with an updated version. The two looked
slightly different.
The only thing that was non-standard about my installation was the angle.
It says somewhere to mount with the wires pointing up, which they
were...mostly...but at an angle. So ever since I've endeavored to mount
them with wires straight up.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
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a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
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RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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