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1. 05:30 AM - Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine compartment (Bill Watson)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting (Craig Rufi)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting (Dave Saylor)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting (Ben Westfall)
5. 12:40 PM - Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting (Craig Rufi)
6. 04:40 PM - Re: Bonaco brake lines (AirMike)
7. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Bonaco brake lines (Rick Lark)
8. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Bonaco brake lines (Rene Felker)
9. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: Bonaco brake lines (Rick Lark)
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with FloScan re-location from tunnel to engine |
compartment
Thanks Geoff. The idea of taking the existing hose and having it cut
and refitted makes sense.
Bill "at 431.9 and flying" Watson
On 4/2/2014 10:27 AM, Geoff Combs wrote:
>
> Carlos
>
> If I remember correctly I took my original line and had them cut it
> and add the new fittings as need and then
>
> Cut to the new lengths.
>
> There is a place nearby that does all types of custom hoses.
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
>
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
>
> Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110
>
> 614-834-5227
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Trigo
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:46 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from
> tunnel to engine compartment
>
> Geoff
>
> I don't have the engine nearby, so I can't confirm what I am going to ask.
>
> You installed the "red cube" in the fuel line between the throttle
> body and the fuel spider, right? Is that fuel line included with the
> engine?
>
> I'm asking because it seems that fuel line is not included in the FF
> kit from Van's.
>
> Do you happen to have the specifications (diameter, lenght and
> fittings) of those 2 fuel lines to which the red cube is attached to?
>
> Regards
>
> Carlos
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Combs
> *Sent:* tera-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 14:15
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from
> tunnel to engine compartment
>
> Bill
>
> Here are some pictures that might help. 430 hrs and working great
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:47 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location from
> tunnel to engine compartment
>
> Thanks, that helps.
>
> Regarding the 90 degree fitting; the 90degree fitting shown on your
> old hose is the "full flow" type according to Don@Airflow, and that's
> okay. The fitting you want to avoid is the 90 degree fitting where
> there is no curve. That type of fitting will impede the free flow of
> fuel. (I'm just repeating what Don told our class a few weeks ago).
>
> On 3/30/2014 1:57 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Yes,
>
> I went through the same thing after talking to Don @ Airflow, I
> have the Floscan and "mounted " it @ the front corner of the
> engine case
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04976.html.
> I used a mounting bracket fabbed out of alu similar to:
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04980.html.
> I ordered 2 new hoses to replace this:
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20FF4%20Fuel%20System/slides/DSC04978.html.
> The hose the connects the servo and the flow scan has a right
> angle fitting where it connects to the floscan. There is a caution
> some where about avoiding that, but the configuration works
> flawlessly with no fluctuations.
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Bill Watson
> <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Thanks!
>
> It looks like the transducer is 'unmounted' in this case and
> just supported by the fuel hoses. I'm thinking of doing the
> same. Anyone with experience using a fuel hose supported Flowscan?
> (do not archive)
>
> On 3/29/2014 2:04 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> <rv10@sinkrate.com <mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com>>
>
> Bill,
>
> Mark Cooper's blog has some pics and a description of his
> mounting in the
> similar location.
>
> http://myrv10factory.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/red-cube-relocation-garmin-gtn
> -750-tx-fixed-par100ex-music-limitations-and-afs-screen-tweaks/
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Need help with FloScan re-location
> from tunnel to engine
> compartment
>
>
> Can anyone point me to any installation pictures of
> FloScan installations
> where the unit is mounted between the fuel controller and
> the spider? Any
> links or pics appreciated.
>
> Background:
> I've decided to change the location of my fuel flow unit
> from the tunnel to
> between the fuel controller and the spider. I've seen a
> few pictures of
> other installations but I know I've seen some I can't find
> at the moment.
>
> I've gotten quite comfortable with the tunnel
> installation. There's no
> doubt that it's a bit inaccurate with the boost pump on
> but that's not
> really a problem.
>
> However, the folks at Airflow pointed out 2 other issues
> that I'm in fact
> experiencing:
> 1) Fuel flow readings fluctuate a bit, as recorded by my
> GRT system.
> It's only plus/minus .2GPH but it limits the accuracy of
> my nozzle tuning
> efforts. I'm tuned up pretty good right now but I'd like
> to improve it a
> bit more.
> 2) During full power climbs my fuel pressure drops a bit
> below where it
> should and that causes me to turn on my boost pump for
> short periods of time
> midway up during my climb outs. I can't recite the exact
> reasons for that
> as described by Don Rivera at Airflow, but it's related
> to the restriction
> of flow sensor and it's location between the tank and the
> engine driven fuel
> pump. As I understand it, it's best to have as few
> restrictions as possible
> upstream of the fuel pump. And having inadequate fuel
> pressure during full
> power operations is undesirable.
>
> Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting |
Dave,
There has been a lot of talk regarding the red cube. IMHO this is the
cleanest install I've seen. My question is, how do you attach the black
mount to the throttle body? Is it using the studs that hold the throttle
body to the pan used?
This is perfect timing, I will install it next week..
Craig Rufi
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Dave Saylor <
dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here are a couple pictures of a recent install. I've used both
> hose-mounted and bracket-mounted methods and both seem to work just fine,
> although I just prefer having the cube on a bracket. I started using sheet
> steel for making engine-mounted brackets a while back since steel seems to
> tolerate vibration better than aluminum. All the stock brackets are steel.
> This one is .050" thick.
>
> I originally had my cube mounted between the hoses, tipped at about a 45*
> angle. It failed at about 400 hours--just quit giving any data. EI
> replaced it, free of charge, with an updated version. The two looked
> slightly different.
>
> The only thing that was non-standard about my installation was the angle.
> It says somewhere to mount with the wires pointing up, which they
> were...mostly...but at an angle. So ever since I've endeavored to mount
> them with wires straight up.
>
> Dave Saylor
> 831-750-0284 CL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting |
Yep, the bracket has two ears to catch the mounting studs below the
throttle body. Would be great if Vans would just extend the cable bracket
fwd about an inch. Oh well. I usually make a paper template and bend it
off of that.
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Craig Rufi <craigr60@gmail.com> wrote:
how do you attach the black mount to the throttle body? Is it using the
studs that hold the throttle body
>
>
> Dave Saylor
>> 831-750-0284 CL
>>
>
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--Dave Saylor
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| Subject: | Fuel flow sensor mounting |
I do like Dave=99s idea and likely may go that route. Somebody
should product and sell that bracket. I found a couple pictures in my
archives from Mike Whiskey of a similar idea but uses a potentially
slightly easier bracket to fabricate. Most of us have extra aluminum
angle sitting around.
Ben Westfall
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel flow sensor mounting
Here are a couple pictures of a recent install. I've used both
hose-mounted and bracket-mounted methods and both seem to work just
fine, although I just prefer having the cube on a bracket. I started
using sheet steel for making engine-mounted brackets a while back since
steel seems to tolerate vibration better than aluminum. All the stock
brackets are steel. This one is .050" thick.
I originally had my cube mounted between the hoses, tipped at about a
45* angle. It failed at about 400 hours--just quit giving any data. EI
replaced it, free of charge, with an updated version. The two looked
slightly different.
The only thing that was non-standard about my installation was the
angle. It says somewhere to mount with the wires pointing up, which
they were...mostly...but at an angle. So ever since I've endeavored to
mount them with wires straight up.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 <tel:831-750-0284> CL
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow sensor mounting |
Dave,
Thanks for getting back to me. I'm all over this next week.
Craig
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Dave Saylor <
dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, the bracket has two ears to catch the mounting studs below the
> throttle body. Would be great if Vans would just extend the cable bracket
> fwd about an inch. Oh well. I usually make a paper template and bend it
> off of that.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Craig Rufi <craigr60@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> how do you attach the black mount to the throttle body? Is it using the
> studs that hold the throttle body
>
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>>> 831-750-0284 CL
>>>
>>
>
> --
> --Dave Saylor
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco brake lines |
These are an awesome product. After messing around with the soft aluminum lines,
I bit the bullet and bought the Bonaco lines. They are great for both fuel and
brakes. I used flex silicone tape for securing the lines. It is impervious
to fuel, grease, oil, heat, and has ok anti chafe properties.
--------
See you OSH '14
Q/B - flying 4 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421508#421508
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco brake lines |
Hey Airmike, I'm having trouble locating self fusing tape here in S. Ontario. Can
you tell me where you purchased the silicone tape?
Thx, Rick
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:39 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> These are an awesome product. After messing around with the soft aluminum lines,
I bit the bullet and bought the Bonaco lines. They are great for both fuel
and brakes. I used flex silicone tape for securing the lines. It is impervious
to fuel, grease, oil, heat, and has ok anti chafe properties.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '14
> Q/B - flying 4 yrs.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421508#421508
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco brake lines |
Amazon has it. I think they call it F-4 tape.....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Bonaco brake lines
Hey Airmike, I'm having trouble locating self fusing tape here in S.
Ontario. Can you tell me where you purchased the silicone tape?
Thx, Rick
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:39 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> These are an awesome product. After messing around with the soft aluminum
lines, I bit the bullet and bought the Bonaco lines. They are great for both
fuel and brakes. I used flex silicone tape for securing the lines. It is
impervious to fuel, grease, oil, heat, and has ok anti chafe properties.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '14
> Q/B - flying 4 yrs.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421508#421508
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| Subject: | Re: Bonaco brake lines |
Aha, I see it. Thanks Rene, I will order some.
Regards, Rick
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:42 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> Amazon has it. I think they call it F-4 tape.....
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Bonaco brake lines
>
>
> Hey Airmike, I'm having trouble locating self fusing tape here in S.
> Ontario. Can you tell me where you purchased the silicone tape?
> Thx, Rick
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:39 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> These are an awesome product. After messing around with the soft aluminum
> lines, I bit the bullet and bought the Bonaco lines. They are great for both
> fuel and brakes. I used flex silicone tape for securing the lines. It is
> impervious to fuel, grease, oil, heat, and has ok anti chafe properties.
>>
>> --------
>> See you OSH '14
>> Q/B - flying 4 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421508#421508
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