---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/25/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:13 AM - Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (bill.peyton) 2. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Kelly McMullen) 3. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Phillip Perry) 4. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Ben Westfall) 5. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Rick Lark) 6. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Michael Kraus) 7. 03:43 PM - camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Dave Saylor) 8. 04:34 PM - Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Jesse Saint) 9. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl (Phillip Perry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: "bill.peyton" I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:29 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in fall of 2010. I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall as well as the horizontal parting line. There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind anything in the honeycomb area. Kelly 40866, allegedly finishing. On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:14 AM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough flange for my skybolts. Weird. So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos somewhere of it. Phil Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in fall of 2010. I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall as well as the horizontal parting line. There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind anything in the honeycomb area. Kelly 40866, allegedly finishing. > On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > -------- > Bill > WA0SYV > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:39 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. Not flying yet though. I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In total it's probably on a couple hour job. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough flange for my skybolts. Weird. So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos somewhere of it. Phil Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: Rick Lark Guys, FYI I have the pink cowl, just fitted recently, and I had to grind away the foam structural part on the top right corner just to make the piano hinge fit. The foam was very crooked along the aft edge. I covered the area that I ground away with fiberglass cloth to replace the structural foam I removed. I am using 4 #8 screws & nut plates. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ben Westfall wrote: > > I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for > the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the > lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. > Not flying yet though. > > I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to > use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I > don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially > your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I > would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or > two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In > total > it's probably on a couple hour job. > > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl > > > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: Michael Kraus I'm pretty sure the variability we are seeing has to do with both some of the cowling manufacturing variability, and with the variability in the front flange of the engine to the firewall dimension. Since all the cowls are custom cut and fitted, some end up with more or less flange than others. I'm my experience, the fiberglass on the top and bottom of the foam is significantly thinner than the flanges. If you grind away the foam, you will have to add in several layers of fiberglass. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Ben Westfall" wrote: > > > I have the pink cowl w/o the gray exterior and it had plenty of flange for > the skybolts all around. I am using the skybolt upper kit, hinges on the > lower cowl sides, and 3 #8 screws on each side on the bottom of the cowl. > Not flying yet though. > > I would not let the lack of flange deter you from skybolts if you wanted to > use them. It is not a difficult task to remove some of the honeycomb. I > don't think it weakens the cowl at all when you do that because essentially > your making your cowl match how most of them were molded from the start. I > would seal the edge of the honeycomb and potentially layup a thin layer or > two of glass if you felt you sanded the shell a bit thin in spots. In total > it's probably on a couple hour job. > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:11 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl > > > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: Dave Saylor In general, 1/4-turns don't clamp as tight as as a screw. That area is pretty flexible so it benefits from good clampup. I don't think anyone has used the stock hinges for very long. Use the same hardware as the support plate and it's no big deal to pull out all 12 screws. On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Chris Hukill > wrote: > I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the > bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with > hinges on the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has > hinges on the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with > the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the > pins, a one man job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that > smooth installation because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding > aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback > on this configuration? > Chris Hukill > getting closer everyday > > * > > > * > > -- --Dave Saylor ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: Jesse Saint We have been using the stock hinges for 9 years and 1,300+ hours. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > > In general, 1/4-turns don't clamp as tight as as a screw. That area is pr etty flexible so it benefits from good clampup. I don't think anyone has use d the stock hinges for very long. > > Use the same hardware as the support plate and it's no big deal to pull ou t all 12 screws. > >> On Thursday, April 24, 2014, Chris Hukill wrote: >> I saw a post on VansAirforce about Camlocs causing problems on the bottom of the cowl. I am installing the cowling on my RV10 right now with hinges o n the side of the bottom cowl and camlocs on the bottom. My RV8 has hinges o n the side and nutplates on the bottom, and I am very happy with the way the cowl slides aft and the hinges hold it up until I install the pins, a one m an job. I was thinking that the camlocs might prevent that smooth installati on because the camlocs would hang up the cowl from sliding aft. I can easily change now to nutplates. Can anyone give me any feedback on this configurat ion? >> Chris Hukill >> getting closer everyday >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > -- > --Dave Saylor > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: camlocs on the bottom of cowl From: Phillip Perry Here is the photo that I mentioned showing the interference with the honeycomb and skybolt tabs. After reading some of the others experiences, I suspect the answer is in the spinner/prop selection. I'm running a 3 blade MT and it came with a factory spinner. I suspect if I fitted vans spinner to a different prop, it would move the cowling further forward by a .25" to .5". The MT spinner does sit back a little further and after you set the gap between the back of the spinner and the front of the cowling, that could easily make up the difference between hitting the honeycomb or not. I'm not going to put the work in to making the skybolts work with my MT setup. So if anyone is interested in a full set for the upper cowl, lower cowl, and sides, let me know. Phil On Friday, April 25, 2014, Phillip Perry wrote: > Mine (ordered very close to the same time Kelly's) doesn't have enough > flange for my skybolts. Weird. > > So I'm switching back to hinges at this point. I've got some photos > somewhere of it. > > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Kelly McMullen > > wrote: > > > > > Interesting, as I have the pink cowl with gray outer coating obtained in > fall of 2010. > I installed Skybolt with their supplied mounting tabs for entire firewall > as well as the horizontal parting line. > There was adequate flange all the way around. I did not need to grind > anything in the honeycomb area. > Kelly > 40866, allegedly finishing. > > > On 4/25/2014 7:12 AM, bill.peyton wrote: > > > > > > I posted this on VAF a long time ago. I started down the path of > camlocs from Skybolt and changed back to hinge. The issue with the skybolt > camlocs is the new cowl does not have enough edge overlap as part of the > joggle. You will have to grind the cowl along the upper edge to create a > large enough flat area for the camloc strip to sit on. A lot of work and > weakening the cowl. The hinge does just fine, after 250 hours it is a > piece of cake to remove. I used 5 #8 screws at the bottom on each side. > > > > -------- > > Bill > > WA0SYV > > Aviation Partners, LLC > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422366#422366 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.