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2. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: california sales tax (Pascal)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: california sales tax (Bob Leffler)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: california sales tax (Linn Walters)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: california sales tax (Kelly McMullen)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: california sales tax (David Clifford)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: california sales tax (Bob Turner)
8. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: california sales tax (Kelly McMullen)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: california sales tax (Bob Turner)
10. 09:31 PM - Gap at the cabin door hinges (bob88)
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states:=0AReserve you
r N number using an address in a more tax friendly state.- This is how th
ey find out you have, or are building an airplane.- From that day forward
they'll hound you wanting the taxes even before the plane is done.=0ADon't
call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner Special, D
eem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe.- Then they have no idea what to tax you
because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and they'll have to use the
numbers you give them.- Otherwise, Calif will bill you between $1,500 an
d $2,500 a year for personal property taxes.- If you fly 75 hours a year,
that's $20 to $33 an hour just for the Calif tax.- Their thought process
is that if you have a plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop fo
r the tax.=0A=0AThere are lot's of states out there with a much more tax fr
iendly approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that purp
ose.... our tax is ZERO.- I think Idaho is $200 a year for any type aircr
aft. =0A=0AAlso, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from
Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the $4 ra
nge.- Our fuel is currently $4.40.- 0TX1.=0A=0ADon McDonald=0A#40636-
650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0A From: Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>=0ATo: rv10-li
st@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM=0ASubject: RV10-Li
Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>=0A=0AAs I purchased the sub kits I report
ed them, and paid sales tax, on that year's CA-540 income tax form.=0AWhen
I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair for property
tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I referred him to the var
ious years' 540's; I have never heard anything more about it.=0A=0A--------
=0ABob Turner=0ARV-10 QB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht
tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
Like Bob, I paid as the kits arrived, except I filled out forms versus
adding it to my tax forms. When it was all done I called the Board of
Taxation and discussed my file and advised the plane was completed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 10:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: california sales tax
As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on that
year's CA-540 income tax form.
When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair for
property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I referred him to
the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything more about it.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
Ohio is similar, but not as painful as CA. Once you register the N#, you have
to pay the $15/seat annual tax even if they aircraft is not airworthy.
It took awhile for them to track me down, but they did. Fortunately, they didn't
ask for retroactive taxes from registration date.
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC'
thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you
from some liability exposure also.
Linn
On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC
> Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states:
> Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state.
> This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane.
> >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even before
> the plane is done.
> Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner
> Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea
> what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and
> they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will
> bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property
> taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just for
> the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a plane, you
> must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax.
>
> There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly
> approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that
> purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any
> type aircraft.
>
> Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from Texas
> to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the $4
> range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1.
>
> Don McDonald
> #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax
>
> <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
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> As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on
> that year's CA-540 income tax form.
> When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair
> for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I
> referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything
> more about it.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
I am told that some states tax the aircraft where it is parked and an
out-of-state LLC may be more trouble than not having one, especially
with regard to CA.
On 5/8/2014 7:41 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
> Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC'
> thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you
> from some liability exposure also.
> Linn
>
> On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC
>> Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states:
>> Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state.
>> This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane.
>> >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even
>> before the plane is done.
>> Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner
>> Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea
>> what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and
>> they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will
>> bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property
>> taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just
>> for the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a
>> plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax.
>>
>> There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly
>> approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that
>> purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any
>> type aircraft.
>>
>> Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from
>> Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the
>> $4 range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1.
>>
>> Don McDonald
>> #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax
>>
>> <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>>
>> As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on
>> that year's CA-540 income tax form.
>> When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair
>> for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I
>> referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything
>> more about it.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
The State of Michigan never bothered me until the plane was issued its airworthiness
certificate. I never claimed any kit purchases when I purchased them. The
State sent me a couple forms to fill out about a month after the cert was issued
and I filled them out, made copies of all my receipts, and sent it all back
in a big envelope with a fat check for the out of state non-taxed purchases.
IIRC, The State charges around $18 yearly for the registration fee. We get a
nice State of Michigan sectional and a spiral bound Airport Facilities Directory
in return. I can't complain.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:49:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: california sales tax
I am told that some states tax the aircraft where it is parked and an
out-of-state LLC may be more trouble than not having one, especially
with regard to CA.
On 5/8/2014 7:41 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
> Excellent advice. One other thought is to do the 'Delaware Corp LLC'
> thingy and let the corp own the aircraft. PITA but it may shield you
> from some liability exposure also.
> Linn
>
> On 5/8/2014 9:25 AM, Don McDonald wroteC
>> Couple of hints for you new builders in tax and spend states:
>> Reserve your N number using an address in a more tax friendly state.
>> This is how they find out you have, or are building an airplane.
>> >From that day forward they'll hound you wanting the taxes even
>> before the plane is done.
>> Don't call your plane an RV10, call it a some other name, like Turner
>> Special, Deem's Special, or Saint Aircoupe. Then they have no idea
>> what to tax you because they'll think it's a one of a kind.... and
>> they'll have to use the numbers you give them. Otherwise, Calif will
>> bill you between $1,500 and $2,500 a year for personal property
>> taxes. If you fly 75 hours a year, that's $20 to $33 an hour just
>> for the Calif tax. Their thought process is that if you have a
>> plane, you must be rich, so you can afford to pop for the tax.
>>
>> There are lot's of states out there with a much more tax friendly
>> approach to aircraft. I moved from Calif to Texas for just that
>> purpose.... our tax is ZERO. I think Idaho is $200 a year for any
>> type aircraft.
>>
>> Also, in case you haven't noticed, the further south you go from
>> Texas to Florida will be just about the only fuel you'll find in the
>> $4 range. Our fuel is currently $4.40. 0TX1.
>>
>> Don McDonald
>> #40636 650 hours, and enjoying every minute of it.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:45 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: california sales tax
>>
>> <mailto:bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>>
>>
>> As I purchased the sub kits I reported them, and paid sales tax, on
>> that year's CA-540 income tax form.
>> When I registered the plane, the tax assessor sent me a questionair
>> for property tax purposes, and asked if I had paid sales tax. I
>> referred him to the various years' 540's; I have never heard anything
>> more about it.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422986#422986http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
CA did not bother me when I had a reserved N number. Once I registered the plane,
they sent an inquiry: I replied that, without an A/W certificate, I did not
own an airplane, just airplane parts. They accepted that.
CA does not care where it's registered. They routinely have airports send them
lists of N numbers of hangar and tie down occupiers, and the state sends them
a bill unless you can show you're transient.
If they do not know the type, they WILL send someone out to see it, and demand
to see all the invoices, including your insurance. So unless you choose to under-insure,
they will find out.
I don't like to pay taxes anymore than anyone else, but since they tax cars and
boats too it's hard to feel singled out. And in the big picture, the property
taxes on cars, airplanes, hangar is cancelled out by the decrease (in inflation
adjusted dollars) I see every year on our house's property tax, thanks to CA's
prop 13. It's a crazy way to run a state, but this leads to political comments
which I try to leave to other forums.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
I agree with most of info. However, what is state inspector going to do
when you tell him you didn't keep invoices and are not insuring the
plane because insurance is too expensive? If you registered it as a
Bob-10, how are they going to come up with a valuation?
Fortunately, AZ did away with personal property tax on experimental
aircraft, probably because of the difficulty establishing value.
But they still nab sales tax and a yearly registration fee.
On 5/8/2014 11:42 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
>
> If they do not know the type, they WILL send someone out to see it, and demand
to see all the invoices, including your insurance. So unless you choose to under-insure,
they will find out.
>
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| Subject: | Re: california sales tax |
My experience is that if they do not know, they will guess high, leave it to you
to prove them wrong. You can always go to court. I think mine is over appraised
by about $10K. For the $100 extra tax it isn't worth the hassle to appeal.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Gap at the cabin door hinges |
I'm looking for a solution to the open space at the cabin door hinges. Using the
McMaster bulb weather stripping on the cabin top door jamb (not on door per
Vans). I thought of filling with a piece of foam and glassing over but then no
access to the nuts/screws and some concern re moisture trapping and corrosion.
Ideas?
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