RV10-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/23/14


Total Messages Posted: 24



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     1. 08:23 AM - FirePenetrations (Sandra & Rick Lark)
     2. 09:21 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Jeff Carpenter)
     3. 09:21 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Phillip Perry)
     4. 09:39 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Bob Leffler)
     5. 09:52 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Phillip Perry)
     6. 10:21 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Carl Froehlich)
     7. 10:59 AM - 406 ELT and batteries (Michael Kraus)
     8. 11:08 AM - Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Dave Saylor)
     9. 11:26 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Rick Lark)
    10. 11:40 AM - Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Bob Turner)
    11. 11:44 AM - Re: FirePenetrations (Bob Turner)
    12. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Steven DeFord)
    13. 12:27 PM - Re: FirePenetrations (Carl Froehlich)
    14. 01:41 PM - Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Kelly McMullen)
    15. 01:44 PM - Re: FirePenetrations (Kelly McMullen)
    16. 01:49 PM - Re: FirePenetrations (Kelly McMullen)
    17. 02:21 PM - Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Bob Turner)
    18. 02:57 PM - alt air (Linn Walters)
    19. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Steven DeFord)
    20. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: 406 ELT and batteries (Dave Saylor)
    21. 04:46 PM - fab sleeve (Linn Walters)
    22. 04:49 PM - Re: alt air (Bob Turner)
    23. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: alt air (Linn Walters)
    24. 07:56 PM - Re: alt air (Kelly McMullen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:23:36 AM PST US
    From: "Sandra & Rick Lark" <jrlark@bmts.com>
    Subject: FirePenetrations
    Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I'm just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven't drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont


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    Time: 09:21:41 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to be (ask me how I know). Jeff Carpenter 40304 just about ready for paint. On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > I=92m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=92t drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? > Thx, Rick > #40956 > Southampton. Ont > > > >


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    Time: 09:21:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    I used the normal holes and was really disappointed. So I'm getting ready to plug them with bolts and cut new holes in the recess. I'll be using the Eyeball Penetrations to get the cables to pass through the firewall at the appropriate angle. If I had it to do again, I never would have drilled the factory holes. I would have just plugged them with rivets and cut new holes. Phil On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark <jrlark@bmts.com>wrote : > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations > for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > > I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t > drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle a nd > alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any > difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > >


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    Time: 09:39:45 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: FirePenetrations
    If you are not using the method in the plans to penetrate the firewall (i.e. something other than a bushing), then the holes in the plans will most likely be too close together. Mine are in the same general vicinity, but just spread out a little wider. bob


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    Time: 09:52:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    Yeah, I drilled to size and put the bushings in place. I found out that they were too close together even with the bushings. There just wasn't enough metal between the holes to support all the cables. The thin areas between the holes have twisted and mangled pretty badly. So I'm punting on that option while it's still easy to do. Phil On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: > If you are not using the method in the plans to penetrate the firewall > (i.e. something other than a bushing), then the holes in the plans will > most likely be too close together. > > > Mine are in the same general vicinity, but just spread out a little wider. > > > bob > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 10:21:38 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: FirePenetrations
    Rick, I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle, Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum and spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the left side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the right (didn't want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat controls a little further to the right. I also added a single .063" piece of angle connected to the bottom apron near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. I did find the throttle cable Van's recommends (47.5") to be too short. I sent it back to Van's and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5"). This is about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van's). Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I'm just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven't drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont


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    Time: 10:59:26 AM PST US
    Subject: 406 ELT and batteries
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... Thanks -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 11:08:23 AM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    Not that I'm aware of, but I did put a couple of the expired lithium batteries in a 2-cell flashlight, using a 6V bulb. I had to rearrange one of the contacts slightly but it was easy. Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>wrote: > > > > Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with > the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > >


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    Time: 11:26:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    From: Rick Lark <larkrv10@gmail.com>
    Thx Carl. I am presently fabricating stainless steel penetrations for my F/W and thought about ganging the throttle, prop and mixture together on a piece of 3"x4"x1/16" SS plate, basically in the same location as the pilot holes are. I think I will wait to drill the alt air. Nice looking panel, quite similar to what mine will look like (except it's a G3X touch). Is the panel powder coated satin black or? Thx again, Rick On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>wrote: > Rick, > > > I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle , > Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum an d > spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control > (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the lef t > side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the > right (didn=99t want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo > attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control > mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat control s > a little further to the right. > > > I also added a single .063=9D piece of angle connected to the botto m apron > near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too > much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. > > > I did find the throttle cable Van=99s recommends (47.5=9D) to be too short. I > sent it back to Van=99s and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5 =9D). This is > about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The > stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van =99s). > > > Carl > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Sandra & Rick Lark > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: FirePenetrations > > > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations > for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? > > > I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t > drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle a nd > alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any > difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List <http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV10-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion>* > >


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    Time: 11:40:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    So Dave now owns the world's most expensive flashlight! I have not seen any 406 ELTs that did not use Li batteries, either. Expensive batteries. It does seem odd that the 406 system is advertised as being very fast at pinpointing locations, but they also have long lasting (not needed??) batteries. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423664#423664


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    Time: 11:44:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Even with following the plans exactly, my cables were too short to follow the routing in the plans. And I know I am not the only one with this issue. But not sure why. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423665#423665


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    Time: 12:08:07 PM PST US
    From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a little while. Capt Steven DeFord, CAP RV-10 kit; starting on elevators ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> Sent: 5/23/2014 11:38:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 406 ELT and batteries > >So Dave now owns the world's most expensive flashlight! > >I have not seen any 406 ELTs that did not use Li batteries, either. >Expensive batteries. > >It does seem odd that the 406 system is advertised as being very fast >at pinpointing locations, but they also have long lasting (not >needed??) batteries. > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423664#423664 > >


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    Time: 12:27:24 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: FirePenetrations
    I lot of people ask me where I got the panel powder coated =93 but it is just PPG single stage paint. Dark gray for the panel and engine plenum, light gray for the rest of the interior. The is the second panel. As with my RV-8A I find there is always something to change on the panel every few years or so. Using the stock Van=99s panel with paint make panel mods relatively simple. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Thx Carl. I am presently fabricating stainless steel penetrations for my F/W and thought about ganging the throttle, prop and mixture together on a piece of 3"x4"x1/16" SS plate, basically in the same location as the pilot holes are. I think I will wait to drill the alt air. Nice looking panel, quite similar to what mine will look like (except it's a G3X touch). Is the panel powder coated satin black or? Thx again, Rick On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote: Rick, I did not like the alt air location, but I did like the standard Throttle, Prop and Mixture placement. I made a new bracket out of .050 aluminum and spread out the three controls just a little. The Oil Cooler air control (black knob) and Alt Engine Air control (red knob) are located on the left side of the apron. The two cabin heat controls (black knobs) are on the right (didn=99t want the passenger to pull the alt air by mistake. Photo attached. Cable firewall holes are generally in line with the control mounting. If I was to do it over I would move the two cabin heat controls a little further to the right. I also added a single .063=9D piece of angle connected to the bottom apron near the engine controls and the firewall. I was concerned there was too much flex in the middle of the panel. Might be overkill. I did find the throttle cable Van=99s recommends (47.5=9D) to be too short. I sent it back to Van=99s and got the one he lists for IO-360 (50.5=9D). This is about an inch too long, but easily routed to make up the difference. The stock cable was tight against the bottom of the engine (IO-540 from Van=99s). Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sandra & Rick Lark Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: FirePenetrations Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? I=99m just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I haven=99t drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or if it makes any difference at all? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton. Ont http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:41:13 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    Not only do they not make with D cells, but you also need a lithium battery for the remote control and on some models a third one for a warning buzzer. So, yes the cost of batteries over 5 yr period is more than double the old sealed battery pack ELTs and a lot more than the D cell variety. On 5/23/2014 10:56 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > Do they make a 406 ELT with D cell batteries? I can only find one with the expensive lithium replaceable batteries.... > > Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > >


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    Time: 01:44:08 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    Rather than attempting to plug 5/8" or bigger holes with bolts, suggest you get a piece of SS sheet metal, same thickness as firewall and rivet it over the holes. Lighter, cleaner, more professional. On 5/23/2014 9:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote: > I used the normal holes and was really disappointed. So I'm getting > ready to plug them with bolts and cut new holes in the recess. I'll > be using the Eyeball Penetrations to get the cables to pass through > the firewall at the appropriate angle. > > If I had it to do again, I never would have drilled the factory holes. > I would have just plugged them with rivets and cut new holes. > > Phil > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark <jrlark@bmts.com > <mailto:jrlark@bmts.com>> wrote: > > Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better > locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air > penetrations? > > Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I > havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if > the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, > or if it makes any difference at all? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton. Ont > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 01:49:35 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: FirePenetrations
    Has anyone attempted to engineer an automatic alternate air?? My fuel injected Mooney has such, with a round disk attached to a hole cut so that there is a metal cross with 4 openings rather than open hole. The disk covers that, is held in place with a single bolt with a spring on it pressing the disk in closed position. 3-4 lb force lifts the disk enough for air to bypass the filter from inside cowling. Only downside is you don't really know whether it has opened or not. I've seen 2 place RVs that had similar arrangement with hinged rectangular door that was spring loaded. On 5/23/2014 9:20 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable > lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to > be (ask me how I know). > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > just about ready for paint. > > > On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: > >> Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better >> locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air penetrations? >> Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I >> havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if >> the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or >> if it makes any difference at all? >> Thx, Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton. Ont >> * >> >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> > > * > > > *


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    Time: 02:21:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    riveteddragon(at)gmail.co wrote: > Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed > airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a > hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get > us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in > some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a > little while. > > Capt Steven DeFord, CAP > RV-10 kit; starting on elevators > > ---- Yes, I thought about the homing function. But if the satellite fix gets you to 100 meters, do you really need it? I suppose for a team on the ground in very heavy forest, the answer may be yes. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423686#423686


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    Time: 02:57:03 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: alt air
    What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this is what I came up with .... if the picture comes through. The Van's alt air fitting opening is 2.5" which has a 4.9" square area. The 'plank' is 1" X 5" and the 'tube' is 2.5" dia. I'll probably use aluminum for the tube. ACS 6061 T6 03-38320 is only 4.35/ft. We talked about the butterfly being an ellipse rather than a disk so it seals better. There's plenty of room between the FAB and the lower cowl on the RV-10. The 'dot' is centered on the hole in the FAB. Some fillet work and I'll glass it right on the FAB. Not an automatic alt air .... but better than Van's .... IMHO Linn On 5/23/2014 4:49 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Has anyone attempted to engineer an automatic alternate air?? My fuel > injected Mooney has such, with a round disk attached to a hole cut so > that there is a metal cross with 4 openings rather than open hole. The > disk covers that, is held in place with a single bolt with a spring on > it pressing the disk in closed position. 3-4 lb force lifts the disk > enough for air to bypass the filter from inside cowling. Only downside > is you don't really know whether it has opened or not. I've seen 2 > place RVs that had similar arrangement with hinged rectangular door > that was spring loaded. > On 5/23/2014 9:20 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: >> If you change the hole locations you will likely change your cable >> lengths and it is no easy trick to figure what those lengths need to >> be (ask me how I know). >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> just about ready for paint. >> >> >> On May 23, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Sandra & Rick Lark wrote: >> >>> Hi all, wondering if anyone has recommendations on any better >>> locations for the throttle, prop, mixture and alternate air >>> penetrations? >>> Im just about to bolt my engine mount on for the last time and I >>> havent drilled any holes for those 4 items yet. I`m wondering if >>> the throttle and alternate air holes could be below the other 2, or >>> if it makes any difference at all? >>> Thx, Rick >>> #40956 >>> Southampton. Ont >>> * >>> >>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >>> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >>> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >>> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 03:14:29 PM PST US
    From: Steven DeFord <riveteddragon@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    It sometimes is "yes." It's also helpful with moving signals (eg boats/floating), and inadvertent activations (eg at an airport-- there are a lot of planes within 100 meters). Steven DeFord RivetedDragon@gmail.com (925) 596-0426 (cell) On May 23, 2014, at 14:21, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > > riveteddragon(at)gmail.co wrote: >> Speaking as a Civil Air Patrol (who goes and does the finding of downed >> airplanes) member, while the 406 is great for getting us within a >> hundred meters or so, the 406 ELT still has a homing beacon on it to get >> us the rest of the way there, and it can take a few hours (or days, in >> some cases) to get there, so the homing beacon part needs to work for a >> little while. >> >> Capt Steven DeFord, CAP >> RV-10 kit; starting on elevators >> >> ---- > > > Yes, I thought about the homing function. But if the satellite fix gets you to 100 meters, do you really need it? I suppose for a team on the ground in very heavy forest, the answer may be yes. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423686#423686 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:51:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 406 ELT and batteries
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Balances all my free HF ones! Do not archive On Friday, May 23, 2014, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > > > So Dave now owns the world's most expensive flashlight! > > I have not seen any 406 ELTs that did not use Li batteries, either. > Expensive batteries. > > It does seem odd that the 406 system is advertised as being very fast at > pinpointing locations, but they also have long lasting (not needed??) > batteries. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423664#423664 > > -- --Dave Saylor


    Message 21


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    Time: 04:46:57 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: fab sleeve


    Message 22


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    Time: 04:49:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: alt air
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Will it clear the nose gear strut? Even when you remove the lower cowl by dropping it down? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423700#423700


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    Time: 04:58:40 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: alt air
    On 5/23/2014 7:48 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > Will it clear the nose gear strut? Even when you remove the lower cowl by dropping it down? It's a long way to the nose strut ..... the end of the 'tube' in the pic is only 5" aft of the FAB. I could be flying if I didn't waste time on the 'simple' mods!!! Linn > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423700#423700 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 07:56:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: alt air
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    This is what I was trying to describe. If the attachment makes it through. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > What timing! Friday mornings the airport hangar rats gather to discuss > aviation. There's a -7 and two -10 builders. Both the -7 builder and I > (-10 if you don't do math well) were discussing the FAB and the connection > to the lower cowl. The subject turned to carb heat and alt. air. I > dislike the Van's approach to alt. air and we brainstormed .... how about a > butterfly? Hmmm. I came home and this is what I came up with .... > if the picture comes through. > >




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