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1. 08:08 AM - Seatbelt hardware (bob88)
2. 08:24 AM - Upper forward fuselage attach (bob88)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Jesse Saint)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Jesse Saint)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Carl Froehlich)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Kelly McMullen)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Phillip Perry)
8. 10:36 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Bob Leffler)
9. 10:58 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Linn Walters)
10. 11:09 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Carl Froehlich)
11. 11:34 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Linn Walters)
12. 11:42 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Bob Leffler)
13. 01:39 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (woxofswa)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Gary)
15. 03:16 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Ben Westfall)
16. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson)
17. 04:50 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Carl Froehlich)
18. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson)
19. 05:00 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson)
20. 06:25 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Linn Walters)
21. 08:13 PM - Delaying avionics choices (Steven DeFord)
22. 08:35 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Linn Walters)
23. 08:48 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Kelly McMullen)
24. 10:45 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Seatbelt hardware |
I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt hardware
in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. However, not yet
sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a standard bolt that connects
the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any general advice about seatbelts?
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| Subject: | Upper forward fuselage attach |
Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until
after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable
to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
It gets a countersunk 5/16" screw. You drill the hold and countersink the cabin
top. If you want to mark the hard points, just drill a small hole. Otherwise,
you can just wait if you don't cover over the hardpoints and forget where they
are. There is no actual hardware that gets mounted to the hardpoints, you just
bolt through it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 30, 2014, at 11:08 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt hardware
in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. However, not yet
sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a standard bolt that connects
the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any general advice about seatbelts?
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
You can delay all of that until closer to the end. Avionics are changing so fast
that making those decisions the absolute last thing is the best way to go. Just
make sure you have conduits through closed up areas.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 30, 2014, at 11:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until
after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable
to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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| Subject: | Seatbelt hardware |
A few thoughts:
- I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard point
for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional glass,
perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared enough at
the edges so it looked ok.
- On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little, then
used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below flush so
some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of glass over the top
of the screw head. After that set some micro to fair everything in. I was
worried that about the screw head spinning in the countersunk hole when
tightening the harness attach nut and screwing up the paint job.
- I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and like
them.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware
I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt
hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover.
However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a
standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any
general advice about seatbelts?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get
interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I
think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage
> until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is
> it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of
> the project)?
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the
upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire
assembly down into the fuselage from the top.
Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine,
but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of
dollars hanging a few feet in the air.
Phil
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get
> interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I
> think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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>> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage
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>> it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the c
abin cover was installed.
It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the panel
. Even more important for use old farts with bifocals.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get intere
sting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a la
rge percentage of us have done same thing.
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage u
ntil after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is i
t reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of th
e project)?
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
I made my panel removable as a unit so I have connectors between the
panel and the airframe. It will be easier to rivet the fwd upper fuse
on without the instrument panel in place but the rivets just fwd of the
panel may be hard to get to with a bucking bar. If you can't get to the
tail with a bucking bar ..... well, that's why they make pull rivets.
Linn
On 5/30/2014 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build
> the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the
> entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top.
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> Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work
> fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have
> thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air.
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> Phil
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> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will
> get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but
> otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net
> <mailto:marty.crooks@comcast.net>> wrote:
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> forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of
> the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting
> to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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| Subject: | Upper forward fuselage attach |
For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane. I
would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might seem
complicated it is really simple once you figure out what interconnecting
wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted someplace other than
the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS). Power breakers and
associated switches are very straightforward if you are using a stock Van's
panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the plan on the bottom apron. The
panel avionic breakers are mounted on the panel - and thus come out with the
panel.
You will modify your panel at some point. The RV-8A had 4 mods in 11 years.
The RV-10 has had one mod in the first two years. Having it come out of the
plane after a few minutes of disconnecting stuff really simplifies this.
So for the original question I would decouple the forward fuselage attach
from any panel issue. Considering pile of work needed on the windshield and
canopy you will have a lot of time to buy newer avionics when you are really
ready for them.
What I did was fully finish the fuselage, doors, and all associated glass
work before engine mount. The fuselage on stubby legs to facilitate all
this work. I did run the needed conduit and such before putting in the
floorboards. After that the plane went to the hangar for engine and cowl
fit once it was up on the gear.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach
I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the
cabin cover was installed.
It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the
panel. Even more important for use old farts with bifocals.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get
interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I
think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage
until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is
it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of
the project)?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
On 5/30/2014 2:08 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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> For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane.
> I would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might
> seem complicated it is really simple once you figure out what
> interconnecting wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted
> someplace other than the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS).
> Power breakers and associated switches are very straightforward if you
> are using a stock Van's panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the
> plan on the bottom apron. The panel avionic breakers are mounted on
> the panel -- and thus come out with the panel.
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I modified the 'bottom apron' or 'switch panel' ..... cut the 'tab' off
the switch panel and replaced it with a piece of angle with a nut plate
on it, riveted to the fuselage like the panel tab. My fuse panel is
from Stein and uses automotive fuses with the indicator light. It's
attached by hinge to the vans switch panel, and flips up against the
sub-panel where it's held with automotive plastic pull fasteners. I use
Molex .093 connectors for the 'larger stuff' and molex .062 for the
smaller wires .... on the left side. I also have wires that drop down in
the center from the inst panel and sub panel and run in the tunnel. I
also use D connectors where convenient. I still have to remove the
screws from the bus bar and alt. breaker, but everything else is on a
connector.
There are those builders that fly for years without ever removing any
part of their panel .... and I may be one too, but I've already
'installed' my panel a couple dozen times ..... and I don't have the fwd
upper fuse riveted on yet .... but soon.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Upper forward fuselage attach |
I don't think that will work. I believe the longerons will get in they way o
f the air ducts on Geoff's panel. I took the panel off before installing/rem
oving the upper fuse assembly.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the up
per fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembl
y down into the fuselage from the top.
Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, b
ut it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollar
s hanging a few feet in the air.
Phil
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get inte
resting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a l
arge percentage of us have done same thing.
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>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage
until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is
it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of t
he project)?
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish
nail to prevent the screw from turning.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete.
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount?
Gary
> On May 30, 2014, at 11:40 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
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> A few thoughts:
> - I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard point
> for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional glass,
> perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared enough at
> the edges so it looked ok.
> - On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little, then
> used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below flush so
> some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of glass over the top
> of the screw head. After that set some micro to fair everything in. I was
> worried that about the screw head spinning in the countersunk hole when
> tightening the harness attach nut and screwing up the paint job.
> - I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and like
> them.
>
> Carl
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> Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware
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> I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt
> hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover.
> However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a
> standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any
> general advice about seatbelts?
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| Subject: | Seatbelt hardware |
Not to mention I think it's been tested a few times as well with adequate
performance for the off field events that were survivable.
-Ben
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware
Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount?
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
I did the same.
On 5/30/2014 4:38 PM, woxofswa wrote:
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> I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish
nail to prevent the screw from turning.
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do not archive
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| Subject: | Seatbelt hardware |
I always consider Van to have a good design. I prefer to do such very
simple things to make sure I'm not violating some assumption Van may have
made or that I see as perhaps marginal. In this case a added a few layers
of glass to make sure in my countersinking zest I did not violate the
assumed depth or purity of the countersink hole.
There are examples however of the Van's design not being adequate. The
obvious one here are the doors. If everything works just right there will
be no problem. It has been demonstrated however that this presents a
practical risk as doors have departed in flight. For any RV-10 I recommend
installing or back fitting a system like the PlaneAround latch. Other
common sense things include adding 3/16" tinnermans under the door hinge
screw heads where the mounting screw relies on a thin piece of fiberglass
with a countersink that tends to extend through the material. One good gust
of wind catching a door and those screw heads might pull through.
But with all such things, we each must do what is needed so that we don't
worry about some aspect of the build every time we hop in the plane.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware
Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount?
Gary
> On May 30, 2014, at 11:40 AM, "Carl Froehlich"
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>
> A few thoughts:
> - I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard
> point for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional
> glass, perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared
> enough at the edges so it looked ok.
> - On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little,
> then used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below
> flush so some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of
> glass over the top of the screw head. After that set some micro to
> fair everything in. I was worried that about the screw head spinning
> in the countersunk hole when tightening the harness attach nut and
screwing up the paint job.
> - I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and
> like them.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware
>
>
> I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt
> hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover.
> However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a
> standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point?
> Any general advice about seatbelts?
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=111736&row=1
On 5/30/2014 4:38 PM, woxofswa wrote:
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> I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish
nail to prevent the screw from turning.
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
Well, I assumed he did but then extended the thinking to assume that the
back seat belts could be mounted the same way(!?)
So I created two new hardpoints for the rear seat belts by cutting out a
the same size as the original hardpoints.
That circle cut thru the outer layer of glass and the honeycomb. Then I
filled in the hole with flox and glassed it over.
Kitlog
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=91924&row=4>
Hope I never have to find out if my engineering assumptions were sound.
On 5/30/2014 6:04 PM, Gary wrote:
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> Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount?
>
> Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt hardware |
For the front seats the 'requirement' to have the shoulder harness
attach point higher than the shoulder makes the cabin top the only
likely fastening point. For the back seat that 'requirement' is met by
the cable attachment. The drawback to the back seat arrangement is that
the cable goes through the baggage compartment. Moving the attach point
to the aft cabin top .... with suitable hardpoint installed ..... saves
some weight and provides the same safety margin as the front shoulder
harness. I never gave it much thought or I'd have done the cabin top
mod too.
Linn .... somewhat late to the party
On 5/30/2014 8:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Well, I assumed he did but then extended the thinking to assume that
> the back seat belts could be mounted the same way(!?)
>
> So I created two new hardpoints for the rear seat belts by cutting out
> a the same size as the original hardpoints.
> That circle cut thru the outer layer of glass and the honeycomb. Then
> I filled in the hole with flox and glassed it over.
> Kitlog
> <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=91924&row=4>
>
> Hope I never have to find out if my engineering assumptions were sound.
>
> On 5/30/2014 6:04 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>> Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount?
>>
>> Gary
>>
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| Subject: | Delaying avionics choices |
So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics selection until the
last minute, but this brings up a question-- I have to install autopilot servos
(and possibly trim) before closing up the wings (I presume)-- is there some
common servo interface and I can put whatever in, or do I have to select a
brand, or what? Or do the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage,
where one can easily retain access to them?
Steven DeFord
RivetedDragon@gmail.com
(925) 596-0426 (cell)
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I decided to get my avionics early so I could plan on the wiring I would
need. I could have decided on an avionics package got the manuals and
done the wiring. Hobson's choice. Roll servo is far easier to install
in the wing before the last big panel is riveted in place. Pitch servo
is easy to get to at any time. If you decide on the vendor for your
avionics then you might buy the servos, install them, and purchase the
panel parts when you get to that point. Problem is .... you may decide
to change vendors and your servos end up on ebay. Installing the roll
servo can be accomplished after the wing is completed but will be a
PITA. The avionics I chose have seen upgrades but the units I purchased
far exceed the requirements for my mission anyway.
Linn
On 5/30/2014 11:13 PM, Steven DeFord wrote:
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> So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics selection until
the last minute, but this brings up a question-- I have to install autopilot
servos (and possibly trim) before closing up the wings (I presume)-- is there
some common servo interface and I can put whatever in, or do I have to select
a brand, or what? Or do the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage,
where one can easily retain access to them?
>
> Steven DeFord
> RivetedDragon@gmail.com
> (925) 596-0426 (cell)
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| Subject: | Re: Delaying avionics choices |
Well, installing my Dynon roll servo in the completed wing was no big
deal. It goes right where there is an access plate and it is just a
matter of changing a few pieces of hardware, maybe drilling one hole IIRC.
Running the cable to the servo is easier before wing is closed up.
OTOH, there really isn't much reason to close the wing until you are
getting ready to mount the wings. Mine have been sitting in racks,
finished for more than a year.
On 5/30/2014 8:34 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> I decided to get my avionics early so I could plan on the wiring I
> would need. I could have decided on an avionics package got the
> manuals and done the wiring. Hobson's choice. Roll servo is far
> easier to install in the wing before the last big panel is riveted in
> place. Pitch servo is easy to get to at any time. If you decide on
> the vendor for your avionics then you might buy the servos, install
> them, and purchase the panel parts when you get to that point.
> Problem is .... you may decide to change vendors and your servos end
> up on ebay. Installing the roll servo can be accomplished after the
> wing is completed but will be a PITA. The avionics I chose have seen
> upgrades but the units I purchased far exceed the requirements for my
> mission anyway.
> Linn
>
> On 5/30/2014 11:13 PM, Steven DeFord wrote:
>>
>> So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics
>> selection until the last minute, but this brings up a question-- I
>> have to install autopilot servos (and possibly trim) before closing
>> up the wings (I presume)-- is there some common servo interface and I
>> can put whatever in, or do I have to select a brand, or what? Or do
>> the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage, where one can
>> easily retain access to them?
>>
>> Steven DeFord
>> RivetedDragon@gmail.com
>> (925) 596-0426 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Delaying avionics choices |
Agree with Kelly, I put in Trio servos after the wing was closed, no big deal.
I did run a bunch of wires prior to closing up the wings.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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