---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/30/14: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:08 AM - Seatbelt hardware (bob88) 2. 08:24 AM - Upper forward fuselage attach (bob88) 3. 08:27 AM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Jesse Saint) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Jesse Saint) 5. 08:41 AM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Carl Froehlich) 6. 08:47 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Kelly McMullen) 7. 10:32 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Phillip Perry) 8. 10:36 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Bob Leffler) 9. 10:58 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Linn Walters) 10. 11:09 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Carl Froehlich) 11. 11:34 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Linn Walters) 12. 11:42 AM - Re: Upper forward fuselage attach (Bob Leffler) 13. 01:39 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (woxofswa) 14. 03:05 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Gary) 15. 03:16 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Ben Westfall) 16. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson) 17. 04:50 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Carl Froehlich) 18. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson) 19. 05:00 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Bill Watson) 20. 06:25 PM - Re: Seatbelt hardware (Linn Walters) 21. 08:13 PM - Delaying avionics choices (Steven DeFord) 22. 08:35 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Linn Walters) 23. 08:48 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Kelly McMullen) 24. 10:45 PM - Re: Delaying avionics choices (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware From: "bob88" I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any general advice about seatbelts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:05 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach From: "bob88" Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware From: Jesse Saint It gets a countersunk 5/16" screw. You drill the hold and countersink the cabin top. If you want to mark the hard points, just drill a small hole. Otherwise, you can just wait if you don't cover over the hardpoints and forget where they are. There is no actual hardware that gets mounted to the hardpoints, you just bolt through it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On May 30, 2014, at 11:08 AM, bob88 wrote: > > I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any general advice about seatbelts? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach From: Jesse Saint You can delay all of that until closer to the end. Avionics are changing so fast that making those decisions the absolute last thing is the best way to go. Just make sure you have conduits through closed up areas. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On May 30, 2014, at 11:23 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:16 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware A few thoughts: - I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard point for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional glass, perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared enough at the edges so it looked ok. - On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little, then used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below flush so some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of glass over the top of the screw head. After that set some micro to fair everything in. I was worried that about the screw head spinning in the countersunk hole when tightening the harness attach nut and screwing up the paint job. - I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and like them. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any general advice about seatbelts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach From: Kelly McMullen Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage > until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is > it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of > the project)? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach From: Phillip Perry I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top. Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air. Phil On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get > interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I > think a large percentage of us have done same thing. > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 wrote: > >> >> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage >> until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is >> it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of >> the project)? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:41 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the c abin cover was installed. It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the panel . Even more important for use old farts with bifocals. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get intere sting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a la rge percentage of us have done same thing. > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage u ntil after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is i t reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of th e project)? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 > > > > > > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:32 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach I made my panel removable as a unit so I have connectors between the panel and the airframe. It will be easier to rivet the fwd upper fuse on without the instrument panel in place but the rivets just fwd of the panel may be hard to get to with a bucking bar. If you can't get to the tail with a bucking bar ..... well, that's why they make pull rivets. Linn On 5/30/2014 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build > the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the > entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top. > > Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work > fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have > thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air. > > Phil > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > > Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will > get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but > otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing. > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 > wrote: > > > > > Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper > forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of > the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting > to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:42 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane. I would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might seem complicated it is really simple once you figure out what interconnecting wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted someplace other than the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS). Power breakers and associated switches are very straightforward if you are using a stock Van's panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the plan on the bottom apron. The panel avionic breakers are mounted on the panel - and thus come out with the panel. You will modify your panel at some point. The RV-8A had 4 mods in 11 years. The RV-10 has had one mod in the first two years. Having it come out of the plane after a few minutes of disconnecting stuff really simplifies this. So for the original question I would decouple the forward fuselage attach from any panel issue. Considering pile of work needed on the windshield and canopy you will have a lot of time to buy newer avionics when you are really ready for them. What I did was fully finish the fuselage, doors, and all associated glass work before engine mount. The fuselage on stubby legs to facilitate all this work. I did run the needed conduit and such before putting in the floorboards. After that the plane went to the hangar for engine and cowl fit once it was up on the gear. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the cabin cover was installed. It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the panel. Even more important for use old farts with bifocals. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 wrote: Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:09 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach On 5/30/2014 2:08 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane. > I would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might > seem complicated it is really simple once you figure out what > interconnecting wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted > someplace other than the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS). > Power breakers and associated switches are very straightforward if you > are using a stock Van's panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the > plan on the bottom apron. The panel avionic breakers are mounted on > the panel -- and thus come out with the panel. > snip I modified the 'bottom apron' or 'switch panel' ..... cut the 'tab' off the switch panel and replaced it with a piece of angle with a nut plate on it, riveted to the fuselage like the panel tab. My fuse panel is from Stein and uses automotive fuses with the indicator light. It's attached by hinge to the vans switch panel, and flips up against the sub-panel where it's held with automotive plastic pull fasteners. I use Molex .093 connectors for the 'larger stuff' and molex .062 for the smaller wires .... on the left side. I also have wires that drop down in the center from the inst panel and sub panel and run in the tunnel. I also use D connectors where convenient. I still have to remove the screws from the bus bar and alt. breaker, but everything else is on a connector. There are those builders that fly for years without ever removing any part of their panel .... and I may be one too, but I've already 'installed' my panel a couple dozen times ..... and I don't have the fwd upper fuse riveted on yet .... but soon. Linn ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:18 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Upper forward fuselage attach I don't think that will work. I believe the longerons will get in they way o f the air ducts on Geoff's panel. I took the panel off before installing/rem oving the upper fuse assembly. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the up per fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembl y down into the fuselage from the top. Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, b ut it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollar s hanging a few feet in the air. Phil > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote : > Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get inte resting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a l arge percentage of us have done same thing. > > >> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 wrote: >> >> Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of t he project)? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424039#424039 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > > > -- > > - sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt hardware From: "woxofswa" I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish nail to prevent the screw from turning. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424068#424068 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware From: Gary Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount? Gary > On May 30, 2014, at 11:40 AM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: > > > A few thoughts: > - I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard point > for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional glass, > perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared enough at > the edges so it looked ok. > - On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little, then > used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below flush so > some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of glass over the top > of the screw head. After that set some micro to fair everything in. I was > worried that about the screw head spinning in the countersunk hole when > tightening the harness attach nut and screwing up the paint job. > - I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and like > them. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:08 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware > > > I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt > hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. > However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a > standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? Any > general advice about seatbelts? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:29 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware Not to mention I think it's been tested a few times as well with adequate performance for the off field events that were survivable. -Ben -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount? Gary ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:07 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt hardware I did the same. On 5/30/2014 4:38 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish nail to prevent the screw from turning. > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:52 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware I always consider Van to have a good design. I prefer to do such very simple things to make sure I'm not violating some assumption Van may have made or that I see as perhaps marginal. In this case a added a few layers of glass to make sure in my countersinking zest I did not violate the assumed depth or purity of the countersink hole. There are examples however of the Van's design not being adequate. The obvious one here are the doors. If everything works just right there will be no problem. It has been demonstrated however that this presents a practical risk as doors have departed in flight. For any RV-10 I recommend installing or back fitting a system like the PlaneAround latch. Other common sense things include adding 3/16" tinnermans under the door hinge screw heads where the mounting screw relies on a thin piece of fiberglass with a countersink that tends to extend through the material. One good gust of wind catching a door and those screw heads might pull through. But with all such things, we each must do what is needed so that we don't worry about some aspect of the build every time we hop in the plane. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 6:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount? Gary > On May 30, 2014, at 11:40 AM, "Carl Froehlich" wrote: > > --> > > A few thoughts: > - I considered the cabin top too thin to do a countersunk screw hard > point for the front shoulder belts. I added about 1/8" of additional > glass, perhaps a foot square or so, on the inside of the cabin, flared > enough at the edges so it looked ok. > - On the cabin top I squared off the hard point screw head a little, > then used flox in the countersunk hole. The screw head was just below > flush so some flox is on top. After sanding I put a thin layer of > glass over the top of the screw head. After that set some micro to > fair everything in. I was worried that about the screw head spinning > in the countersunk hole when tightening the harness attach nut and screwing up the paint job. > - I used Hooker Harness for the RV-10 as I had them in my RV-8A and > like them. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:08 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware > > > I am finishing the doors and would like to mount the overhead seatbelt > hardware in the cabin top hard points before priming the cabin cover. > However, not yet sure about the color and source of belts. Is there a > standard bolt that connects the shoulder harness to the hard point? > Any general advice about seatbelts? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424037#424037 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:45 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Seatbelt hardware http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=2155&log=111736&row=1 On 5/30/2014 4:38 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > I dremeled slots aligned with the slot in the screw head and embedded a finish nail to prevent the screw from turning. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:47 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware Well, I assumed he did but then extended the thinking to assume that the back seat belts could be mounted the same way(!?) So I created two new hardpoints for the rear seat belts by cutting out a the same size as the original hardpoints. That circle cut thru the outer layer of glass and the honeycomb. Then I filled in the hole with flox and glassed it over. Kitlog Hope I never have to find out if my engineering assumptions were sound. On 5/30/2014 6:04 PM, Gary wrote: > > Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount? > > Gary > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:53 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seatbelt hardware For the front seats the 'requirement' to have the shoulder harness attach point higher than the shoulder makes the cabin top the only likely fastening point. For the back seat that 'requirement' is met by the cable attachment. The drawback to the back seat arrangement is that the cable goes through the baggage compartment. Moving the attach point to the aft cabin top .... with suitable hardpoint installed ..... saves some weight and provides the same safety margin as the front shoulder harness. I never gave it much thought or I'd have done the cabin top mod too. Linn .... somewhat late to the party On 5/30/2014 8:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > Well, I assumed he did but then extended the thinking to assume that > the back seat belts could be mounted the same way(!?) > > So I created two new hardpoints for the rear seat belts by cutting out > a the same size as the original hardpoints. > That circle cut thru the outer layer of glass and the honeycomb. Then > I filled in the hole with flox and glassed it over. > Kitlog > > > Hope I never have to find out if my engineering assumptions were sound. > > On 5/30/2014 6:04 PM, Gary wrote: >> >> Don't you think Van did his engineering on the belt mount? >> >> Gary >> > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:59 PM PST US From: Steven DeFord Subject: RV10-List: Delaying avionics choices So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics selection until the last minute, but this brings up a question-- I have to install autopilot servos (and possibly trim) before closing up the wings (I presume)-- is there some common servo interface and I can put whatever in, or do I have to select a brand, or what? Or do the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage, where one can easily retain access to them? Steven DeFord RivetedDragon@gmail.com (925) 596-0426 (cell) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:09 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delaying avionics choices I decided to get my avionics early so I could plan on the wiring I would need. I could have decided on an avionics package got the manuals and done the wiring. Hobson's choice. Roll servo is far easier to install in the wing before the last big panel is riveted in place. Pitch servo is easy to get to at any time. If you decide on the vendor for your avionics then you might buy the servos, install them, and purchase the panel parts when you get to that point. Problem is .... you may decide to change vendors and your servos end up on ebay. Installing the roll servo can be accomplished after the wing is completed but will be a PITA. The avionics I chose have seen upgrades but the units I purchased far exceed the requirements for my mission anyway. Linn On 5/30/2014 11:13 PM, Steven DeFord wrote: > > So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics selection until the last minute, but this brings up a question-- I have to install autopilot servos (and possibly trim) before closing up the wings (I presume)-- is there some common servo interface and I can put whatever in, or do I have to select a brand, or what? Or do the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage, where one can easily retain access to them? > > Steven DeFord > RivetedDragon@gmail.com > (925) 596-0426 (cell) > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:00 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Delaying avionics choices Well, installing my Dynon roll servo in the completed wing was no big deal. It goes right where there is an access plate and it is just a matter of changing a few pieces of hardware, maybe drilling one hole IIRC. Running the cable to the servo is easier before wing is closed up. OTOH, there really isn't much reason to close the wing until you are getting ready to mount the wings. Mine have been sitting in racks, finished for more than a year. On 5/30/2014 8:34 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > I decided to get my avionics early so I could plan on the wiring I > would need. I could have decided on an avionics package got the > manuals and done the wiring. Hobson's choice. Roll servo is far > easier to install in the wing before the last big panel is riveted in > place. Pitch servo is easy to get to at any time. If you decide on > the vendor for your avionics then you might buy the servos, install > them, and purchase the panel parts when you get to that point. > Problem is .... you may decide to change vendors and your servos end > up on ebay. Installing the roll servo can be accomplished after the > wing is completed but will be a PITA. The avionics I chose have seen > upgrades but the units I purchased far exceed the requirements for my > mission anyway. > Linn > > On 5/30/2014 11:13 PM, Steven DeFord wrote: >> >> So I, as everyone else, have been convinced to delay avionics >> selection until the last minute, but this brings up a question-- I >> have to install autopilot servos (and possibly trim) before closing >> up the wings (I presume)-- is there some common servo interface and I >> can put whatever in, or do I have to select a brand, or what? Or do >> the servos install on the control rods in the fuselage, where one can >> easily retain access to them? >> >> Steven DeFord >> RivetedDragon@gmail.com >> (925) 596-0426 (cell) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Delaying avionics choices From: "Bob Turner" Agree with Kelly, I put in Trio servos after the wing was closed, no big deal. 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