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1. 09:57 AM - Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Les Kearney)
2. 10:15 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Rene Felker)
3. 10:45 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Carl Froehlich)
4. 11:15 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Danny Riggs)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Les Kearney)
6. 11:32 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Les Kearney)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Michael Orth)
8. 01:35 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Kelly McMullen)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
11. 02:07 PM - RV-10 Down (Bob Leffler)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: RV-10 Down (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 04:12 PM - Re: RV-10 Down (David Leikam)
14. 07:07 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Kelly McMullen)
15. 07:18 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
16. 07:23 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Jesse Saint)
17. 10:11 PM - Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations (Dave Saylor)
18. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Hi
As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance
that is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven't been able to
determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent it,
I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies flying
on small RV's, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicates matters.
I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor /
propeller combination. Van's Hartzell seems like a good choice especially
from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other
options. From what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP)
combination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot
and heavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that
combination is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side
comparison on 2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I
think there is some use full information in the archive on that type of
testing.
One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower
cowling on and off more difficult.
The three blade props do look sexy and fast..
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
Hi
As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance
that is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven't been able to
determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent it,
I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies flying
on small RV's, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicates matters.
I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor /
propeller combination. Van's Hartzell seems like a good choice especially
from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other
options. From what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
The Van's two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the best
performance value out there.
For governors, recommend looking at the PCU-5000. I've used them on two RVs
and they have been flawless. I got both via group buys on Van's Air Force
at significant discounts.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP)
combination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot
and heavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that
combination is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side
comparison on 2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I
think there is some use full information in the archive on that type of
testing.
One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower
cowling on and off more difficult.
The three blade props do look sexy and fast..
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
Hi
As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance
that is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven't been able to
determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent it,
I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies flying
on small RV's, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicates matters.
I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor /
propeller combination. Van's Hartzell seems like a good choice especially
from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other
options. From what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers
Les
#40643
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
I have a Barrett IO-540. What an engine!!!
Couldn't be happier. If you use their cold air induction you will need the
Show Planes cowl which works very well.
I have a MT three blade prop and it seems to be almost as fast as the Hartz
ell blended two blade
But it really out climbs it. Also a function of more horse power.
From: rene@felker.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP) combi
nation. I fly out of Utah=2C field elevation 4460 and have operated hot an
d heavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that co
mbination is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side comparis
on on 2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I think the
re is some use full information in the archive on that type of testing. One
thing to note=2C I would not like anything that made getting the lower cow
ling on and off more difficult. The three blade props do look sexy and fast
=85=85 Rene' FelkerN423CF801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronic
s.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearne
y
Sent: Sunday=2C June 01=2C 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations Hi As some of may
recall=2C I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie on my -10. Ov
er the past year I have been quite happy with the performance that is to sa
y until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven=92t been able to determine th
e root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent it=2C I have de
cided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies flying on small
RV=92s=2C there are not many 3.6L engines which complicates matters. I pl
an to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor / propelle
r combination. Van=92s Hartzell seems like a good choice especially from a
cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other options. Fr
om what I have read=2C 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there also se
ems to be a number of 3 blade options as well. Any info appreciated. Cheers
Les#40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matr
onics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Hi Rene
I agree with the sexy bit. I will miss my 4 blade Quinti prop....
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 11:14 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP) comb
ination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot and h
eavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that combin
ation is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side comparison on
2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I think there is s
ome use full information in the archive on that type of testing.
>
> One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower c
owling on and off more difficult.
>
> The three blade props do look sexy and fast
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
> Hi
>
> As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance t
hat is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven=99t been abl
e to determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent
it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies fl
ying on small RV=99s, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicate
s matters.
>
> I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor / pro
peller combination. Van=99s Hartzell seems like a good choice especial
ly from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other op
tions. =46rom what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Danny
What was the vist of the MT? I have heard that they are quite spendy.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I have a Barrett IO-540. What an engine!!!
> Couldn't be happier. If you use their cold air induction you will need the
Show Planes cowl which works very well.
> I have a MT three blade prop and it seems to be almost as fast as the Hart
zell blended two blade
> But it really out climbs it. Also a function of more horse power.
>
> From: rene@felker.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:14:53 -0600
>
> Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP) comb
ination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot and h
eavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that combin
ation is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side comparison on
2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I think there is s
ome use full information in the archive on that type of testing.
>
>
>
> One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower c
owling on and off more difficult.
>
>
>
> The three blade props do look sexy and fast
>
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance t
hat is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven=99t been abl
e to determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent
it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies fl
ying on small RV=99s, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicate
s matters.
>
>
>
> I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor / pro
peller combination. Van=99s Hartzell seems like a good choice especial
ly from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other op
tions. =46rom what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
>
>
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Les
>
> #40643
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
FOR SALE
3 ENGINES & 1 PROP
ENGINE #1-RIGHT
CONTINENTAL 10-470L
S/N 91968-5-L
TTSO 1489.8
COMPLETE ENGINE & PROPELLER PITCH CONTROL.
COMPLETE LOGS.
REMOVED FROM BEECHCRAFT BARON THAT LANDED GEAR-UP. INCIDENT HAS NOT BEEN
ENTERED INTO ENGINE LOG.
OIL DRAINED AND SHOWED NO SIGN OF CONTAMINATION.
OIL-PAN DROPPED AND VISUAL INSPECTION SHOWED NO SIGN OF DAMAGE.
MY FEELING IS THAT THIS ENGINE DID NOT SUFFER ANY DAMAGE AS THE RESULT
OF THE ACCIDENT.
COULD BE USED IN A/C, AIRBOAT, OR HOVERCRAFT.
PRICE $5,000 USD; YOU PAY SHIPPING.
ENGINE #2-LEFT
CONTINENTAL 10-470L
S/N 91945-5-L
TTSO 1457.8
COMPLETE ENGINE & PROPELLER PITCH CONTROL.
COMPLETE LOGS
REMOVED FROM BEECHCRAFT BARON THAT LANDED GEAR-UP. INCIDENT HAS NOT
BEEN ENTERED INTO ENGINE LOG.
OIL DRAINED AND SHOWED NO SIGN OF CONTAMINATION.
OIL-PAN DROPPED AND VISUAL INSPECTION SHOWED NO SIGN OF DAMAGE.
MY FEELING IS THAT THIS ENGINE DID NOT SUFFER ANY DAMAGE AS THE RESULT
OF THE ACCIDENT.
COULD BE USED IN A/C, AIRBOAT, OR HOVERCRAFT.
PRICE $5,000 USD; YOU PAY SHIPPING.
ENGINE #3
LYCOMING IO-540 G1D5
S/N L-9927-48
TTSO 5.43
COMPLETE LOGS
PROP #1
HARTZELL HC-92WK-1DW
TTSO 2.12
S/N S/N AC-206
PRICE-ENGINE & PROP $18,000 USD. YOU PAY SHIPPING.
THIS IS HOW THE ENGINE WAS DESCRIBED TO ME:
=9C. purchased the engine and prop from Westair
International Company, Monument, CO 80132 Jim Cullen is the owner. (719)
481-2286 He sold a number of these engines and was recommended to me by
Murphy. They thought this was a perfect engine for their plane. I called
a fellow who bought one from him to check up on his transaction. He was
very pleased with Jim and the engine and prop. (His name is John
Knutson, Chicago, (312) 642 0335 home (312) 383 1300 x 104 work) I
believe he was putting it into his homebuilt. I haven't talked to him in
ten years so I don't know if the numbers are still good. The engine
arrived as promised and is complete with magnetos, harness, fuel pump,
Bendix injection system, alternator and starter. It is preserved, and
includes platinum spark plugs (not installed--the plug holes have the
things in them that absorb moisture--I can't remember what they are
called!) There are three tech manuals also. It is still in the shipping
crate which has always been in my heated shop. I looked in it today and
it looks good. The IO-540 G1D5 engine serial number is L-9927-48. It is
rated as 290 HP, max rpm 2575. The Hartzell Propeller Model HC-92WK-1DW
S/N AC-206 The engine has a total of 799.22 hours since new. It has 5.43
hours since overhaul. The propeller has a total of 731.12 with 2.12
since overhaul. There are two complete log books for the engine and one
for the propeller.
My concern before buying was that they came out of an IAR 823 airplane
which was a plane used by the Romanian Air Force! (I Googled it and it
looks like a Mooney to me.) I checked with several engine building
people (including the company that overhauled my Cessna engine) who told
me the overhaul facility in Romania is noted for quality services. (BOAC
had them do all their engine maintenance.) A fellow on the Murphy group,
George Coy (who now sells M14P radials and was building a Moose--put
this IO-540 in his plane. I asked him why not use one of his radials and
he said he was going to put it on floats in Vermont and could not have
any oil dripping into their pristine lakes. I guess coffee cans wired
under the jugs does not meet environmental standards for catching 100%
of the oil!
The log books are all in Romanian but I had someone go over them with me
(they spoke Romanian) and they are very detailed and complete. I was
going to sit down with this person and rewrite each entry but haven't
yet. I got a new English engine log from Jim Cullen--I'm not sure it is
really necessary to translate the old ones. I feel comfortable with the
accuracy of the logs and the work that has been done. A mechanic where I
get my Cessna serviced was interested in using the engine for his tow
plane--checked out the engine and logs, said it looked good but then
found his mounts or something were different and it wouldn't fit. He
offered my $20,000 for it! (I should have paid for his new mounts!) Hope
this is the info you needed--I think it is the right motor for the
Murphy. I've watched a friend mess with a M14 radial in his Moose but
his struggles with the cowl, oil leaks, air start, parts, mounts and
extra fuel burn, etc. etc. convinced me a good old 290 HP Lycoming was
what I felt most comfortable with.=9D
Michael Orth
Beaver Valley, British Columbia, Canada
mosurf@xplornet.com
(250) 243-0013
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From: Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
Hi
As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L
Subie on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the
performance that is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a)
haven=99t been able to determine the root cause of the problem and
b) determine how to prevent it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540.
Although there many 3.0L Subies flying on small RV=99s, there are
not many 3.6L engines which complicates matters.
I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor /
propeller combination. Van=99s Hartzell seems like a good choice
especially from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing
the other options. From what I have read, 2 blade props are best below
300HP but there also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Les, when I bought my prop and governor a year ago it was around $12K
with shipping for the two together from Jim Ayers. I was notified by MT
that something had happened to Jim, so both came direct from MT in Miami.
On 6/1/2014 11:32 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Danny
>
> What was the vist of the MT? I have heard that they are quite spendy.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com
> <mailto:jdriggs49@msn.com>> wrote:
>
>> I have a Barrett IO-540. What an engine!!!
>> Couldn't be happier. If you use their cold air induction you will
>> need the Show Planes cowl which works very well.
>> I have a MT three blade prop and it seems to be almost as fast as the
>> Hartzell blended two blade
>> But it really out climbs it. Also a function of more horse power.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: rene@felker.com <mailto:rene@felker.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:14:53 -0600
>>
>> Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP)
>> combination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have
>> operated hot and heavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb
>> performance with that combination is more than adequate. Having not
>> done any side by side comparison on 2 vs 3 blades I do not know the
>> performance differences. I think there is some use full information
>> in the archive on that type of testing.
>>
>> One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the
>> lower cowling on and off more difficult.
>>
>> The three blade props do look sexy and fast
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>>
>> N423CF
>>
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Les Kearney
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L
>> Subie on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the
>> performance that is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a)
>> havent been able to determine the root cause of the problem and b)
>> determine how to prevent it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540.
>> Although there many 3.0L Subies flying on small RVs, there are not
>> many 3.6L engines which complicates matters.
>>
>> I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor
>> / propeller combination. Vans Hartzell seems like a good choice
>> especially from a cost perspective but I would be interested in
>> knowing the other options. From what I have read, 2 blade props are
>> best below 300HP but there also seems to be a number of 3 blade
>> options as well.
>>
>> Any info appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>> #40643
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans 2blade.
FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to Florida for O/h. In
s pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS. You'll be glad you did .
Lost climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I fly out of Ruidoso.6800ft no p
roblem with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750 and loving it. Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> w
rote:
>
> The Van=99s two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the b
est performance value out there.
>
> For governors, recommend looking at the PCU-5000. I=99ve used them o
n two RVs and they have been flawless. I got both via group buys on Van
=99s Air Force at significant discounts.
>
> Carl
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
> Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP) comb
ination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot and h
eavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that combin
ation is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side comparison on
2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I think there is s
ome use full information in the archive on that type of testing.
>
> One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower c
owling on and off more difficult.
>
> The three blade props do look sexy and fast
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
> Hi
>
> As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance t
hat is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven=99t been abl
e to determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent
it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies fl
ying on small RV=99s, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicate
s matters.
>
> I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor / pro
peller combination. Van=99s Hartzell seems like a good choice especial
ly from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other op
tions. =46rom what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans 2blade.
FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to Florida for O/h. In
s pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS. You'll be glad you did .
Lost climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I fly out of Ruidoso.6800ft no p
roblem with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750 and loving it. Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> w
rote:
>
> The Van=99s two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the b
est performance value out there.
>
> For governors, recommend looking at the PCU-5000. I=99ve used them o
n two RVs and they have been flawless. I got both via group buys on Van
=99s Air Force at significant discounts.
>
> Carl
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
> Just for reference. I am very happy with my Hartzell IO-540 (260 HP) comb
ination. I fly out of Utah, field elevation 4460 and have operated hot and h
eavy out of other higher altitude fields. Climb performance with that combin
ation is more than adequate. Having not done any side by side comparison on
2 vs 3 blades I do not know the performance differences. I think there is s
ome use full information in the archive on that type of testing.
>
> One thing to note, I would not like anything that made getting the lower c
owling on and off more difficult.
>
> The three blade props do look sexy and fast
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Propeller / Governor Recommendations
>
> Hi
>
> As some of may recall, I took the path less travelled and put a 3.6L Subie
on my -10. Over the past year I have been quite happy with the performance t
hat is to say until I had a piston problem. As I a) haven=99t been abl
e to determine the root cause of the problem and b) determine how to prevent
it, I have decided to retrofit an IO540. Although there many 3.0L Subies fl
ying on small RV=99s, there are not many 3.6L engines which complicate
s matters.
>
> I plan to get a Barret engine but still need to decide on a governor / pro
peller combination. Van=99s Hartzell seems like a good choice especial
ly from a cost perspective but I would be interested in knowing the other op
tions. =46rom what I have read, 2 blade props are best below 300HP but there
also seems to be a number of 3 blade options as well.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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The news reported that a RV-10 went down in Toledo, OR yesterday about 4pm.
Only one of the three occupants survived the accident. Based upon the video
from the link below, it appears to be Doug Nebert's RV-10. There has been
no release of the occupant's names as of yet.
http://briansrv10.squarespace.com/picture/doug%20nebert.jpg?pictureId=166564
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http://koin.com/2014/05/31/plane-crashes-in-toledo-ore-3-on-board/
TOLEDO, Ore. (KOIN 6) - Two people were pronounced dead on scene after a
plane carrying three passengers crashed in Toledo, Ore. at 4:19 p.m.
Saturday.
The third passenger was taken via Life Flight to Good Samaritan Hospital in
Corvallis, Ore. in critical condition.
Life Flight crews transport the only survivor of a plane crash in Toledo,
Ore. May 31, 2014 (KOIN 6)
Toledo Police said the plane crashed inside the Georgia Pacific Mill
property.
Waitress Josalyn Smith was taking an order outside when she heard her
customer gasp.
"I turned and saw the plane nosediving and heard a crash shortly
thereafter," she said.
"It just was going straight down towards the ground, no sounds, the engine
must have cut out," she said.
Toledo Police Chief David Enyeart said in a statement the small light plane
left from Newport Airport, but the plane lost altitude near Toledo.
He said Toledo Police, Fire and the Lincoln County Sheriff's Office
responded to the scene.
The National Transportation Safety Board, Toledo Police and the Federal
Aviation Administration continue to investigate. Names will be released once
next of kin are notified.
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Here's an update... You're correct. It is Doug Nebert's RV-10.
Child among 2 dead in Toledo, Ore. plane crash | KOIN.com
On Jun 1, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> The news reported that a RV-10 went down in Toledo, OR yesterday about
4pm. Only one of the three occupants survived the accident. Based upon
the video from the link below, it appears to be Doug Nebert=92s RV-10.
There has been no release of the occupant=92s names as of yet.
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> http://koin.com/2014/05/31/plane-crashes-in-toledo-ore-3-on-board/
> TOLEDO, Ore. (KOIN 6) =97 Two people were pronounced dead on scene
after a plane carrying three passengers crashed in Toledo, Ore. at 4:19
p.m. Saturday.
> The third passenger was taken via Life Flight to Good Samaritan
Hospital in Corvallis, Ore. in critical condition.
> Life Flight crews transport the only survivor of a plane crash in
Toledo, Ore. May 31, 2014 (KOIN 6)
> Toledo Police said the plane crashed inside the Georgia Pacific Mill
property.
> Waitress Josalyn Smith was taking an order outside when she heard her
customer gasp.
> =93I turned and saw the plane nosediving and heard a crash shortly
thereafter,=94 she said.
> =93It just was going straight down towards the ground, no sounds, the
engine must have cut out,=94 she said.
> Toledo Police Chief David Enyeart said in a statement the small light
plane left from Newport Airport, but the plane lost altitude near
Toledo.
> He said Toledo Police, Fire and the Lincoln County Sheriff=92s Office
responded to the scene.
> The National Transportation Safety Board, Toledo Police and the
Federal Aviation Administration continue to investigate. Names will be
released once next of kin are notified.
>
>
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God Bless.
Dave Leikam
On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
wrote:
>
> Here's an update... You're correct. It is Doug Nebert's RV-10.
>
> Child among 2 dead in Toledo, Ore. plane crash | KOIN.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
>> The news reported that a RV-10 went down in Toledo, OR yesterday
about 4pm. Only one of the three occupants survived the accident.
Based upon the video from the link below, it appears to be Doug Nebert=92s
RV-10. There has been no release of the occupant=92s names as of
yet.
>>
>> <image003.jpg>
>>
>> http://koin.com/2014/05/31/plane-crashes-in-toledo-ore-3-on-board/
>> TOLEDO, Ore. (KOIN 6) =97 Two people were pronounced dead on scene
after a plane carrying three passengers crashed in Toledo, Ore. at 4:19
p.m. Saturday.
>> The third passenger was taken via Life Flight to Good Samaritan
Hospital in Corvallis, Ore. in critical condition.
>> Life Flight crews transport the only survivor of a plane crash in
Toledo, Ore. May 31, 2014 (KOIN 6)
>> Toledo Police said the plane crashed inside the Georgia Pacific Mill
property.
>> Waitress Josalyn Smith was taking an order outside when she heard her
customer gasp.
>> =93I turned and saw the plane nosediving and heard a crash shortly
thereafter,=94 she said.
>> =93It just was going straight down towards the ground, no sounds, the
engine must have cut out,=94 she said.
>> Toledo Police Chief David Enyeart said in a statement the small light
plane left from Newport Airport, but the plane lost altitude near
Toledo.
>> He said Toledo Police, Fire and the Lincoln County Sheriff=92s
Office responded to the scene.
>> The National Transportation Safety Board, Toledo Police and the
Federal Aviation Administration continue to investigate. Names will be
released once next of kin are notified.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller / Governor Recommendations |
Please explain the 5gph gain????
No question a 3 blade will be more expensive to repair and overhaul.
I would expect vibration and noise to be somewhat less with the MT.
Agreed climb is very good either way.
The MT governor is less money than the PCU-500. Haven't heard any strong
reason to choose one over the other.
On 6/1/2014 2:00 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote:
> I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans
> 2blade. FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to
> Florida for O/h. Ins pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS.
> You'll be glad you did . Lost climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I
> fly out of Ruidoso.6800ft no problem with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750
> and loving it. Robert Brunkenhoefer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich
> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>> The Vans two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the best
>> performance value out there.
>>
>>
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I meant 5-7kts faster . I continue to use the MT governor. It works great. Robert
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Please explain the 5gph gain????
> No question a 3 blade will be more expensive to repair and overhaul.
> I would expect vibration and noise to be somewhat less with the MT.
> Agreed climb is very good either way.
> The MT governor is less money than the PCU-500. Haven't heard any strong reason
to choose one over the other.
>
>> On 6/1/2014 2:00 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote:
>> I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans 2blade.
FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to Florida for O/h. Ins
pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS. You'll be glad you did . Lost
climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I fly out of Ruidoso.6800ft no problem
with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750 and loving it. Robert Brunkenhoefer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Vans two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the best performance
value out there.
>
>
>
>
>
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I assume he meant mph, not gph.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Please explain the 5gph gain????
> No question a 3 blade will be more expensive to repair and overhaul.
> I would expect vibration and noise to be somewhat less with the MT.
> Agreed climb is very good either way.
> The MT governor is less money than the PCU-500. Haven't heard any strong reason
to choose one over the other.
>
>> On 6/1/2014 2:00 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote:
>> I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans 2blade.
FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to Florida for O/h. Ins
pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS. You'll be glad you did . Lost
climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I fly out of Ruidoso.6800ft no problem
with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750 and loving it. Robert Brunkenhoefer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net <mailto:carl.froehlich@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Vans two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion, the best performance
value out there.
>
>
>
>
>
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Figured it was grins/hr, which is approximately equal to knots ;-)
Do not archive
On Sunday, June 1, 2014, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> <javascript:;>>
>
> I assume he meant mph, not gph.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com <javascript:;>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 1, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> <javascript:;>>
> >
> > Please explain the 5gph gain????
> > No question a 3 blade will be more expensive to repair and overhaul.
> > I would expect vibration and noise to be somewhat less with the MT.
> > Agreed climb is very good either way.
> > The MT governor is less money than the PCU-500. Haven't heard any stron
g
> reason to choose one over the other.
> >
> >> On 6/1/2014 2:00 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote:
> >> I agree the 2 blade is best. I have had a MT and now fly w/ the vans
> 2blade. FOD caused so much damage to the MT I had to send it to Florida f
or
> O/h. Ins pd for 1blade. Had to replace all.very $$$. KISS. You'll be glad
> you did . Lost climb rate of 500fpm but gained 5gph . I fly out of
> Ruidoso.6800ft no problem with Vans prop. N661G kcrp. 750 and loving it.
> Robert Brunkenhoefer
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Carl Froehlich <
> carl.froehlich@verizon.net <javascript:;> <mailto:
> carl.froehlich@verizon.net <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Van=99s two blade Hartzell blended airfoil is, my opinion,
the best
> performance value out there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV10-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV10-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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