---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/15/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:03 AM - Re: N62DN (Bob Wilson) 2. 10:20 AM - Firewall Penetrations (kearney) 3. 10:30 AM - Propellor Redux (kearney) 4. 10:58 AM - Re: Propellor Redux (Dave Saylor) 5. 12:22 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (Linn Walters) 6. 01:08 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (David Maib) 7. 01:23 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (Justin Jones) 8. 01:41 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (Les Kearney) 9. 05:50 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (dmaib@me.com) 10. 06:19 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (Don Mc Donald) 11. 07:51 PM - Re: Propellor Redux (Kelly McMullen) 12. 07:51 PM - Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 (rwwende) 13. 08:12 PM - Re: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 (Linn Walters) 14. 08:55 PM - Re: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 (Rene) 15. 08:56 PM - Re: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 (rv10flyer) 16. 09:08 PM - Re: N62DN (rv10flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:23 AM PST US From: Bob Wilson Subject: RE: RV10-List: N62DN SW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgdG8gbm90ZSB0aGF0IHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgTHljb21pbmcgTWFuZGF0b3J5IFNl cnZpY2UgQnVsbGV0aW4gIzU1NCAoZGF0ZWQgU2VwdCAzMCwgMjAwMikgdGhhdCAgbWFuZGF0ZWQg YSBDcmFua3NoYWZ0IEdlYXIgUmV0YWluaW5nIEJvbHQgUmVwbGFjZW1lbnQuICAgIEV4Y2VycHQg YmVsb3cuDQoNCuKAnCBBbGwgTywgSU8sIChMKVRJTyBvciBBRUlPLTU0MCBlbmdpbmVzIHRoYXQg aGF2ZSBoYWQgYSBjcmFua3NoYWZ0IGJvbHQgcmVwbGFjZWQgZHVyaW5nIG1haW50ZW5hbmNlIG9y IG92ZXJoYXVsIGJldHdlZW4gTm92ZW1iZXIgMjcsIDE5OTYgYW5kIE5vdmVtYmVyIDEwLCAxOTk4 LiAgTHljb21pbmcgaGFzIGRldGVybWluZWQgdGhhdCBhIG1ldGFsbHVyZ2ljYWwgY29uZGl0aW9u IGhhcyBjYXVzZWQgY3JhbmtzaGFmdCBnZWFyIHJldGFpbmluZyBib2x0cyB0byBmYWlsIGluIHNl cnZpY2UuIFRoZSBjcmFua3NoYWZ0IGdlYXIgZHJpdmVzIGJvdGggbWFnbmV0b3MgYW5kIHRoZSBj YW1zaGFmdC4gRmFpbHVyZSBvZiB0aGUgcmV0YWluaW5nIGJvbHQgcmVzdWx0cyBpbiB0b3RhbCBs b3NzIG9mIHBvd2VyIHdpdGhvdXQgcHJpb3Igd2FybmluZy4gTHljb21pbmcgcmVxdWlyZXMgdGhh dCB0aGUgY3JhbmtzaGFmdCBnZWFyIHJldGFpbmluZyBib2x0IGJlIHJlcGxhY2VkIHdpdGggdGhl IG5ldyBib2x0IFAvTiBTVEQtMjIwOSAoY2FkbWl1bSBwbGF0ZWQgYW5kIHNpbHZlciBpbiBjb2xv ciku4oCdDQpCb2IgV2lsc29uDQoNCkZyb206IG93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbSBbbWFpbHRvOm93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbV0gT24g QmVoYWxmIE9mIEVkIEtyYW56DQpTZW50OiBGcmlkYXksIEp1bmUgMTMsIDIwMTQgNDo0MSBQTQ0K VG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUlYxMC1MaXN0OiBONjJE Tg0KDQpGcm9tIGhpcyBidWlsZCBzaXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd2Vic2l0ZXMuZXhwZXJjcmFmdC5jb20v ZG91Z2xhc24vaW5kZXgucGhwP3E9bG9nX2VudHJ5JmxvZ19pZD01MTI1MQ0KDQouLi4uaXQgbG9v a3MgbGlrZSBoZSB3YXMgcnVubmluZyBtYWdzIG9uIGEgY2FyYnVyZXRlZCBlbmdpbmUuDQoNCk9u IEZyaSwgSnVuIDEzLCAyMDE0IGF0IDM6MTIgUE0sIERMTSA8ZGxtMzQwNzdAY294Lm5ldDxtYWls dG86ZGxtMzQwNzdAY294Lm5ldD4+IHdyb3RlOg0KRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUga25vdyB3aGV0aGVyIHRo aXMgYWlyY3JhZnQgd2FzIGFuIGVsZWN0cm9uaWMgaWduaXRpb24gYWlyY3JhZnQ/IEkgcmVhZCB0 aGUgcHJlbGltaW5hcnkgTlRTQiByZXBvcnQgYW5kIHRoZSBzdXJ2aXZvciBpbnRlcnZpZXcgd2hl cmUgc2hlIHN0YXRlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgd2VudCBzaWxlbnQgYW5kIHRoZSBlbGVjdHJv bmljcyBmYWlsZWQgaW1tZWRpYXRlbHkgdGhlcmVhZnRlcj8NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpnZXQ9Il9ibGFu ayI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9SVjEwLUxpc3QNCg0KdHA6Ly9m b3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KDQpfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9j b250cmlidXRpb24NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUg UlYxMC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCg0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVh dHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQ0KDQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMg c3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwNCg0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93 bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KDQpfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11 Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOg0KDQpfLT0NCg0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UlYxMC1MaXN0DQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIgRk9SVU1TIC0NCg0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNv IGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDov L2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQoNCl8tPQ0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAg LSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtDQoNCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3Vy IGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQoNCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1N YXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCg0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNz LmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Penetrations From: "kearney" Hi I have been reading the recent post regarding firewall penetrations. I was wondering if anyone has used multiple eyeballs for the control cables? If so have you been happy with the results. Any pix? I am not really keen on using bushing and would prefer something that is a bit more fire resistant - the firewall is called that for a reason is it not? Has anyone used a Safeair pass through for all three control cable? This stuffed with fire resistant putty would seem like a a decent idea? Comments? Cheers Les #40-643 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424879#424879 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Propellor Redux From: "kearney" Hi I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. Cheers Les #40643 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:37 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux We've used several local prop shops for MT service. They're all service centers. I don't think we've ever sent one back to Germany. The biggest problem we've had was with blisters near the root; that said, there's some allowable criteria, not that big a deal. http://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/services_can.htm And I love my Hartzell... --Dave On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:30 AM, kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / > MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am > concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for > repair. > > Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop > strikes). > > Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop > vacation to Germany? > > I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was > more clear cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:51 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux There is a MT propellor shop on Deland airport. KDED. linn On 6/15/2014 1:30 PM, kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. > > Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). > > Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? > > I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux From: David Maib MT USA is In Deland FL. Very good service and no need to send props back to Germany. I bought my prop from the late Jim Ayers and had it shipped completely assembled from Germany. This is possible if you live close enough to an airport with international cargo capabilities. Probably true in Canada as well. Saved significant $$ avoiding having to ship to a service center, having it assembled there, and then transporting to my location. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:30 PM, kearney wrote: > > > Hi > > I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. > > Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). > > Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? > > I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux From: Justin Jones There is a MT factory service center in Florida. They service and overhaul M T propellers exclusively. They are owned and operated by MT Propeller inc. http://www.mt-propellerusa.com/ Their contact info is under the "contact" link On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:22, Linn Walters wrote: > > There is a MT propellor shop on Deland airport. KDED. > linn > On 6/15/2014 1:30 PM, kearney wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / M T options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am conce rned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. >> >> Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop st rikes). >> >> Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop v acation to Germany? >> >> I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> #40643 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:48 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux David Your comment about local assembly is interesting. Another local builder had to have a local shop assemble his prop even though we have an international airport here. I'll have to look into this. I take comfort that repairs can be fine on this continent. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:07 PM, David Maib wrote: > > > MT USA is In Deland FL. Very good service and no need to send props back to Germany. I bought my prop from the late Jim Ayers and had it shipped completely assembled from Germany. This is possible if you live close enough to an airport with international cargo capabilities. Probably true in Canada as well. Saved significant $$ avoiding having to ship to a service center, having it assembled there, and then transporting to my location. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:30 PM, kearney wrote: >> >> >> Hi >> >> I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. >> >> Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). >> >> Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? >> >> I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> #40643 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:49 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Propellor Redux From: "dmaib@me.com" I see on MT website that they have seven MT service centers in Canada. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424900#424900 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux From: Don Mc Donald If not anything else, prop stike less likely because with the MT there's a lot more clearance. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:30 AM, "kearney" wrote: > > > Hi > > I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. > > Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). > > Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? > > I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:19 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Propellor Redux If you consider 2" a LOT more clearance. Hartzell is 80" diameter, MT 76". Seems like outside of hitting a taxiway/runway light or doing a hard nose wheel first porpoise; prop strike should not be all that likely unless someone has designed a retract gear assembly. On 6/15/2014 6:18 PM, Don Mc Donald wrote: > > If not anything else, prop stike less likely because with the MT there's a lot more clearance. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:30 AM, "kearney" wrote: >> >> >> Hi >> >> I have been carefully weighing all the comments regarding the Hartzell / MT options for the -10. I really, really like the idea of the MT but am concerned about service issues that cause props to go back to German for repair. >> >> Has anyone had serious issues that have grounded them (other that prop strikes). >> >> Is there a repair station in Canada/US that negates the need for a prop vacation to Germany? >> >> I am still leaning towards the Hartzell but really wish the decision was more clear cut. >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> #40643 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424880#424880 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:36 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 From: "rwwende" Any ideas what would cause my amp reading to spike when I transmit on my sl40. I have the vpx-pro and advance flight 4500. Every time I transmit on my comm 2 the reading spikes to 30 amps and I get the audible warning. This does not happen on comm 1, GNS 430w. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424908#424908 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 I'd suspect a grounding problem .... either a floating ground or a ground loop. First I'd swap antennas at the radio to see if the problem is in the coax and in particular the coax ground at the antenna, and second, I'd ring out the ground connections to the SL40. If you have a comm panel I'd check that as the third guess. Let us know what you find. Linn On 6/15/2014 10:51 PM, rwwende wrote: > > Any ideas what would cause my amp reading to spike when I transmit on my sl40. I have the vpx-pro and advance flight 4500. Every time I transmit on my comm 2 the reading spikes to 30 amps and I get the audible warning. This does not happen on comm 1, GNS 430w. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424908#424908 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:44 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 I have a similar problem with my sl30. I talked to GRT and they recommended that I put a balum on the wiring harness. It appeared to clear up the problem and then it happened again the other day. More testing is needed. Rene' N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:12 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 I'd suspect a grounding problem .... either a floating ground or a ground loop. First I'd swap antennas at the radio to see if the problem is in the coax and in particular the coax ground at the antenna, and second, I'd ring out the ground connections to the SL40. If you have a comm panel I'd check that as the third guess. Let us know what you find. Linn On 6/15/2014 10:51 PM, rwwende wrote: > > Any ideas what would cause my amp reading to spike when I transmit on my sl40. I have the vpx-pro and advance flight 4500. Every time I transmit on my comm 2 the reading spikes to 30 amps and I get the audible warning. This does not happen on comm 1, GNS 430w. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424908#424908 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:46 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Amps spike when transmitting on comm2 From: "rv10flyer" My SL-40 com 2 has similar issues(the only squawk in the plane since new). It is all wired/coaxed the same. I think the SL-40 puts out more power. -------- Wayne G. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424912#424912 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N62DN From: "rv10flyer" Does not explain electrical power loss unless maybe he turned it off per his emergency checklist. That will be one of the last items before an off field landing. He was trying to make it that last .7 nm to the airport. I think I will go practice stalls and slow flight with the airspeed tape covered again. -------- Wayne G. 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