---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/22/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Re: plastic protector (dhmoose) 2. 03:47 AM - Baffling Question (Patrick Pulis) 3. 03:58 AM - Re: plastic protector (David Clifford) 4. 05:02 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Jesse Saint) 5. 05:12 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Linn Walters) 6. 05:18 AM - Re: plastic protector (Linn Walters) 7. 05:29 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Patrick Pulis) 8. 05:46 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Kelly McMullen) 9. 06:48 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Linn Walters) 10. 07:41 AM - Re: Baffling Question (woxofswa) 11. 09:13 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Jackm) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:22 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: plastic protector From: "dhmoose" Not the answer you were looking for, but...I used some 20 mil pipe tape to outline the area that I wanted the fiberglass to end on the windscreen. 20 mil tape is very thick and durable which allowed me to sand down to it without fear of hitting the plexi. The rest of the windscreen was just covered with the plastic it came with from Desser...but that plastic is just there to prevent the random bit of epoxy or other debris from touching or damaging it. Learned the tape trick from Wally at Synergy Air. D -------- David Halmos RV-10 Flying! Portland, OR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425249#425249 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Baffling Question From: Patrick Pulis I am trying to fit the CB-1001A Front Baffle (Ref. Page FF2-14) which as shown on the plans, should fit snugly over and around the MT P-420-3 propeller governor. Vans sent me the MT P-860-3 propeller governor with my Firewall Forward kit, which is now installed on my engine. This governor has a lip around the front which prevents the CB-1001A Front Baffle from slipping over the governor. I am tempted to cut the hole in the CB-1001A Front Baffle much larger, however this will then mean that I will need to seal around the opening in the CB-1001A, as once the baffle is over the front of the governor, the body of the governor reduces in diameter, leaving about a 1/4" gap around the governor to the edge of the hole in the CB-1001A. Have I buggered up my interpretations of the plan, or does the new propeller governor just not fit the CB-1001A baffle as was originally intended? If so, what are people using to seal the gap between the propeller governor and the CB-1001A. After mucking around with these baffles, I can now see why people install plenums in lieu of baffles! I'd appreciate your assistance and any links or photos that could assist me please. Warm regards and thanks in anticipation. Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia #40299 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:09 AM PST US From: David Clifford Subject: Re: RV10-List: plastic protector You are probably thiking to this stuff referred to as "spraylat". http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass1.php?clickkey=9996 It's commonly used in the Rutan based construction of the Long EZ's and Cozy's but most folks have moved away from it due to the difficulty in removal when everything is done. What we used building the Cozy and what I used on my -10 was common 3/4" wide electrical tape. It stretches to form curves very easily and peels off leaving very little to no residue. Do about 2 width's of tape wide, overlapping an 1/8", then follow up with a layer of duct tape on top of that. Gorilla tape works very well and provides a good margin of safety from marking up the glass from sanding and other cutting tools. The remainder of the transparency can be covered in heavy 10 mill plastic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linn Walters" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:12:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: plastic protector I'm getting ready to install the windshield and am looking for a product to protect the plastic while I work near the edges. I have seen a paint-on or spray-on latex that will peel off when the installation is done .... but I can't remember what the product name is. Any ideas??? Linn ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling Question From: Jesse Saint That part is always hard to fit. You can trim it as necessary and then seal it (RTV works well). You could also use baffle seal to fill the gap. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > > I am trying to fit the CB-1001A Front Baffle (Ref. Page FF2-14) which as shown on the plans, should fit snugly over and around the MT P-420-3 propeller governor. > > Vans sent me the MT P-860-3 propeller governor with my Firewall Forward kit, which is now installed on my engine. This governor has a lip around the front which prevents the CB-1001A Front Baffle from slipping over the governor. > > I am tempted to cut the hole in the CB-1001A Front Baffle much larger, however this will then mean that I will need to seal around the opening in the CB-1001A, as once the baffle is over the front of the governor, the body of the governor reduces in diameter, leaving about a 1/4" gap around the governor to the edge of the hole in the CB-1001A. > > Have I buggered up my interpretations of the plan, or does the new propeller governor just not fit the CB-1001A baffle as was originally intended? > > If so, what are people using to seal the gap between the propeller governor and the CB-1001A. > > After mucking around with these baffles, I can now see why people install plenums in lieu of baffles! > > I'd appreciate your assistance and any links or photos that could assist me please. > > Warm regards and thanks in anticipation. > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > #40299 > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling Question On 6/22/2014 6:47 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > > I am trying to fit the CB-1001A Front Baffle (Ref. Page FF2-14) which as shown on the plans, should fit snugly over and around the MT P-420-3 propeller governor. > > Vans sent me the MT P-860-3 propeller governor with my Firewall Forward kit, which is now installed on my engine. This governor has a lip around the front which prevents the CB-1001A Front Baffle from slipping over the governor. > > I am tempted to cut the hole in the CB-1001A Front Baffle much larger, however this will then mean that I will need to seal around the opening in the CB-1001A, as once the baffle is over the front of the governor, the body of the governor reduces in diameter, leaving about a 1/4" gap around the governor to the edge of the hole in the CB-1001A. > > Have I buggered up my interpretations of the plan, or does the new propeller governor just not fit the CB-1001A baffle as was originally intended? I think you've got it right! > If so, what are people using to seal the gap between the propeller governor and the CB-1001A. I haven't done it yet but I'm planning on a combination of fiberglass sheet and the cowl seal material. > After mucking around with these baffles, I can now see why people install plenums in lieu of baffles! I'm going to install a plenum .... I hate cowl seal. I also want to convert the inlets to round ones. The reason I haven't done that already is I'm on the fence with making my own or going the Sam James route. Linn ..... just riveted on the fwd upper fuselage!!! > > I'd appreciate your assistance and any links or photos that could assist me please. > > Warm regards and thanks in anticipation. > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > #40299 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:39 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: plastic protector Thanks David! I thought it was 'Spraylat' but Bing coughed up a paint company .... and I just couldn't find it. The search engine in ACS couldn't find anything either ..... used a bunch of keywords. I'll probably do your suggestion. Thanks. Linn On 6/22/2014 6:57 AM, David Clifford wrote: > You are probably thiking to this stuff referred to as "spraylat". > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/discoat4220plexiglass1.php?clickkey=9996 > It's commonly used in the Rutan based construction of the Long EZ's > and Cozy's but most folks have moved away from it due to the > difficulty in removal when everything is done. What we used building > the Cozy and what I used on my -10 was common 3/4" wide electrical > tape. It stretches to form curves very easily and peels off leaving > very little to no residue. Do about 2 width's of tape wide, > overlapping an 1/8", then follow up with a layer of duct tape on top > of that. Gorilla tape works very well and provides a good margin of > safety from marking up the glass from sanding and other cutting tools. > The remainder of the transparency can be covered in heavy 10 mill plastic. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Linn Walters" > *To: *rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:12:00 PM > *Subject: *RV10-List: plastic protector > > > I'm getting ready to install the windshield and am looking for a product > to protect the plastic while I work near the edges. I have seen a > paint-on or spray-on latex that will peel off when the installation is > done .... but I can't remember what the product name is. = > &= > > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling Question From: Patrick Pulis Thanks Linn Warm regards Patrick > On 22 Jun 2014, at 21:41, Linn Walters wrote: > > >> On 6/22/2014 6:47 AM, Patrick Pulis wrote: >> >> I am trying to fit the CB-1001A Front Baffle (Ref. Page FF2-14) which as shown on the plans, should fit snugly over and around the MT P-420-3 propeller governor. >> >> Vans sent me the MT P-860-3 propeller governor with my Firewall Forward kit, which is now installed on my engine. This governor has a lip around the front which prevents the CB-1001A Front Baffle from slipping over the governor. >> >> I am tempted to cut the hole in the CB-1001A Front Baffle much larger, however this will then mean that I will need to seal around the opening in the CB-1001A, as once the baffle is over the front of the governor, the body of the governor reduces in diameter, leaving about a 1/4" gap around the governor to the edge of the hole in the CB-1001A. >> >> Have I buggered up my interpretations of the plan, or does the new propeller governor just not fit the CB-1001A baffle as was originally intended? > I think you've got it right! >> If so, what are people using to seal the gap between the propeller governor and the CB-1001A. > I haven't done it yet but I'm planning on a combination of fiberglass sheet and the cowl seal material. >> After mucking around with these baffles, I can now see why people install plenums in lieu of baffles! > I'm going to install a plenum .... I hate cowl seal. I also want to convert the inlets to round ones. The reason I haven't done that already is I'm on the fence with making my own or going the Sam James route. > Linn ..... just riveted on the fwd upper fuselage!!! > >> >> I'd appreciate your assistance and any links or photos that could assist me please. >> >> Warm regards and thanks in anticipation. >> >> Patrick Pulis >> Adelaide, South Australia >> #40299 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:27 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling Question If you are on the fence, there is one more alternative that may be better than Sam James: Showplanes RV-10 cowling.... http://tinyurl.com/ojlo6f5 No personal knowledge, just know it exists. On 6/22/2014 5:11 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > .... I hate cowl seal. I also want to convert the inlets to > round ones. The reason I haven't done that already is I'm on the > fence with making my own or going the Sam James route. > Linn ..... just riveted on the fwd upper fuselage!!! > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:53 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffling Question Thanks Kelly. Always good to have a couple of approaches. I already have the Van's cowl fitted and just can't justify pitching it. I'm enjoying the 'journey' and doing some mods to improve (I hope) the Van's approach. I didn't like Van's alt air ...... I know, you can reset it after shutdown .... so I did this: Because I can ...... I'd probably be flying by now if it wasn't for all the mods :-P Linn On 6/22/2014 8:45 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > If you are on the fence, there is one more alternative that may be > better than Sam James: Showplanes RV-10 cowling.... > http://tinyurl.com/ojlo6f5 > No personal knowledge, just know it exists. > > On 6/22/2014 5:11 AM, Linn Walters wrote: >> .... I hate cowl seal. I also want to convert the inlets to >> round ones. The reason I haven't done that already is I'm on the >> fence with making my own or going the Sam James route. >> Linn ..... just riveted on the fwd upper fuselage!!! >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:56 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question From: "woxofswa" I put a small piece of piano hinge on the back face of that baffle piece. That allowed me to have a nice tight fitting around the governor and be able to open the hole around the governor via the hinge to get it in and out easier. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear. FWF complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425279#425279 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question From: "Jackm" Patrick. Send email to jackm@vinetechequipment.com . I will reply with pictures of what we did. Prop cable is also routed above engine and left heat input is on rear right baffle. Prop cable above allows for better seal because you don't need to cut ramp for prop lever clearance -------- Jackm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425283#425283 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.