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1. 06:35 AM - brakes (DLM)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: brakes (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: brakes (Tim Farrell)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: brakes (Ed Kranz)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: brakes (Jesse Saint)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: brakes (Geoff Combs)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: brakes (Kelly McMullen)
8. 10:55 AM - Re: brakes (Linn Walters)
9. 11:26 AM - Re: brakes (Tim Olson)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: brakes (Kevin Belue)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: brakes (Geoff Combs)
12. 12:50 PM - Re: brakes (Rene Felker)
13. 12:51 PM - Re: brakes (Linn Walters)
14. 01:05 PM - Re: brakes (Linn Walters)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: brakes (Bob Turner)
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You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and
about twice the stopping power.
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Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco
wheels and caliper set?
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:33 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive
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You have to buy the complete set. It makes a big difference over the Clevela
nd setup. I recommend it.
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> On Jul 3, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco w
heels and caliper set?
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>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:33 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive an
d about twice the stopping power.
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You have to buy the complete set.
But they are very nicely made. I'm not flying yet, but I'm happy with the
way they went together, and the quality of the parts.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco
> wheels and caliper set?
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> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:33 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
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I just installed a set of these. It's a good day job. Twice the brakes. Nice
system.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "DLM" <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
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> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and
about twice the stopping power.
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I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean
Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
Geoff
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: brakes
You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and
about twice the stopping power.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem
the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a
single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland
set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused
Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
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> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean
> Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
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> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
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> Geoff
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
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> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and
> about twice the stopping power.
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I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
> problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would
> seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you
> to a single source for pads.
>
> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to
> sell the unused Cleveland set.
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> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com <mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>>
> wrote:
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> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think
> Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
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> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
>
> Geoff
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> *Subject:* RV10-List: brakes
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I guess I'd tend to agree, myself, but there are two sides to
the discussion I guess.
I've talked to Sean about this, and he's seen some brake fade
before, and with the added stopping power you wouldn't get much
for brake fade. From what he says, it's not really for
stopping on a landing, but stopping from an aborted takeoff
that it would matter most. I can see the point, and see
the benefit.
That said, I've never experienced the need for more brake than
I have, and in fact I've had a few times where I did some
hard braking to make a turnoff and screeched a flat spot onto
a tire, so I believe that 99.5% of the time the stock brakes
will be plenty, and most people won't ever have the chance
to use the additional stopping power, hopefully.
Then from a purchase standpoint, I'd guess that if you
already own one type of wheel/brake system, the economics
of changing really aren't worthwhile for anyone, unless you
really just have to have those powerful brakes. It's
not like I'm going to get big bucks for my old brakes.
Then from a standpoint of replacement parts, it is somewhat
nice that if you use a standard system, you can buy standard
parts at many places. I just experienced a flat in one of
my main tubes while on vacation, which drove home the
idea that it's kind of nice to be able to get parts from
a nearby source in a pinch. If you have Cleveland, you
have a good chance of being able to find some parts. With
any others, you may find yourself getting some shipped
overnight and taking a couple days. But then again, you
may have less need for the parts, right? I'm also not a
huge fan of single-source type products in that from EFIS's
to Wheels, many of the things we buy for our plane rely
on a very tiny number of people to supply the services.
If that company got hit by a meteor, or had any number of
other things go wrong, you may be without parts. This isn't
to scare you from Matco, because we use their parts for many
other things too. But, at least now that there are 2 lining
makers for my brakes, I've got options. Then again, if
you bought a spare 2 or 3 sets of pads for Matco's brakes,
you may never end up needing to call them again, because
they'd wear so much slower.
Either way, it's nice that we have multiple options
for our wheels and brakes. It keeps us well supplied
for the long run. For those who love the new brakes,
great, and it's nice to remind new builders that they
have options. For those who would rather have the old
brakes, or don't want to pony up, I don't see this as
any big deal either. Myself, I am just happy to see that
lining prices are now down under $8 each, so I can
keep replacing them as needed and enjoy many more years
of service. If I were building a new RV-10 today, I'd
look at the cost difference and then decide which way to
go. There really isn't a "bad" choice, but there may be
a good and better. If the price is within a couple
or few hundred bucks, I'd just go for the best. If
not, it's time to start weighing the options. The most
important thing is to pick one and move on, because
agonizing over all the details is just going to cost you
weeks/months/years of time that you could be FLYING instead
of building. :)
Tim
On 7/3/2014 12:53 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
> I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
> in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
> benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
> Linn
>
> On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
>> problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would
>> seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you
>> to a single source for pads.
>>
>> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
>> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to
>> sell the unused Cleveland set.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
>> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com <mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think
>> Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
>>
>> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *DLM
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brakes
>>
>> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price
>> competitive and about twice the stopping power.
>>
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I had to abort a takeoff in my RV10 and the Cleveland brakes faded to nothin
g. I used 5000' of runway. The Rv10 brakes work ok, otherwise.....
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On Jul 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in o
ver 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit! Whe
re do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
> Linn
>
> On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have prob
lems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the M
atco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single sour
ce for pads.
>>
>> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland
set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused C
leveland set.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.co
m> wrote:
>>> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean S
trasburg was the first. They are far superior to
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>>> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
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>>> Geoff
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>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: brakes
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>>> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive a
nd about twice the stopping power.
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>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Ask Sean Strasburg what might have happened to him if he did not have the
Matco Brakes. The brakes are not a got to have item for
Everyone. There is nothing wrong with the stock brakes other than they could
fade really bad when you really might need them. The
Matco pads are double the size of the stock pads so they will last way
longer. They feel almost Identical to the stock brakes.
I agree that 90% of the time the stock brakes are fine. When driving your
car in normal conditions you are not using much brake
Power. Would you drive your car with the possibility of severe fade? Some
will some won't. That's why we are building our airplanes
And not buying certified we have options. As Tim said weigh your options
There is no correct answer here.
Geoff Combs
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brakes
I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in
over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit!
Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem
the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single
source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland
set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused
Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
<mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> > wrote:
I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean
Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
Geoff
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: brakes
You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and
about twice the stopping power.
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Maybe you can just caulk it up to I am just not as good of a pilot......but
I have and do see the brake fade problem once or twice a year. Normally on
fast landing and trying to make a turn off. Most of my landings are at
airports 4500 MSL or higher and thus the ground speeds are faster. Spent
two weeks last summer flying in the low lands of Louisiana and Florida and
was impressed with my relatively short landings, etc.....then I can back
home and was back to normal.
40 knots and hard braking ........you will see brake fade......
I am to cheap to replace my wheels and brakes, but sooner or later I will,
maybe.
If I was building again, I would look for other options.
I love my RV-10......
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brakes
I guess I'd tend to agree, myself, but there are two sides to the discussion
I guess.
I've talked to Sean about this, and he's seen some brake fade before, and
with the added stopping power you wouldn't get much for brake fade. From
what he says, it's not really for stopping on a landing, but stopping from
an aborted takeoff that it would matter most. I can see the point, and see
the benefit.
That said, I've never experienced the need for more brake than I have, and
in fact I've had a few times where I did some hard braking to make a turnoff
and screeched a flat spot onto a tire, so I believe that 99.5% of the time
the stock brakes will be plenty, and most people won't ever have the chance
to use the additional stopping power, hopefully.
Then from a purchase standpoint, I'd guess that if you already own one type
of wheel/brake system, the economics of changing really aren't worthwhile
for anyone, unless you really just have to have those powerful brakes. It's
not like I'm going to get big bucks for my old brakes.
Then from a standpoint of replacement parts, it is somewhat nice that if you
use a standard system, you can buy standard parts at many places. I just
experienced a flat in one of my main tubes while on vacation, which drove
home the idea that it's kind of nice to be able to get parts from a nearby
source in a pinch. If you have Cleveland, you have a good chance of being
able to find some parts. With any others, you may find yourself getting some
shipped overnight and taking a couple days. But then again, you may have
less need for the parts, right? I'm also not a huge fan of single-source
type products in that from EFIS's to Wheels, many of the things we buy for
our plane rely on a very tiny number of people to supply the services.
If that company got hit by a meteor, or had any number of other things go
wrong, you may be without parts. This isn't to scare you from Matco,
because we use their parts for many other things too. But, at least now
that there are 2 lining makers for my brakes, I've got options. Then again,
if you bought a spare 2 or 3 sets of pads for Matco's brakes, you may never
end up needing to call them again, because they'd wear so much slower.
Either way, it's nice that we have multiple options for our wheels and
brakes. It keeps us well supplied for the long run. For those who love the
new brakes, great, and it's nice to remind new builders that they have
options. For those who would rather have the old brakes, or don't want to
pony up, I don't see this as any big deal either. Myself, I am just happy
to see that lining prices are now down under $8 each, so I can keep
replacing them as needed and enjoy many more years of service. If I were
building a new RV-10 today, I'd look at the cost difference and then decide
which way to go. There really isn't a "bad" choice, but there may be a good
and better. If the price is within a couple or few hundred bucks, I'd just
go for the best. If not, it's time to start weighing the options. The most
important thing is to pick one and move on, because agonizing over all the
details is just going to cost you weeks/months/years of time that you could
be FLYING instead of building. :)
Tim
On 7/3/2014 12:53 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
> I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
> in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
> benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
> Linn
>
> On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
>> problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would
>> seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you
>> to a single source for pads.
>>
>> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
>> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to
>> sell the unused Cleveland set.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
>> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
>> <mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think
>> Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
>>
>> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
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>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brakes
>>
>> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price
>> competitive and about twice the stopping power.
>>
>> * *
>>
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OK, I've never had to abort a takeoff that late so I'll put that in the
+ side. If I had known, maybe I would have sent the Clevelands back,
saved some money and gone with the Matco. Lots of water under the
bridge so I'll stick with what I've got. Tim pointed out that the
cost/benefit of swapping out the Clevelands is pretty lousy and cost
drives most of us ..... me included. I learned something .... way too
late in the scheme of things ....
Linn .... riveting aft upper fuselage!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)
On 7/3/2014 3:37 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
>
> Ask Sean Strasburg what might have happened to him if he did not have
> the Matco Brakes. The brakes are not a got to have item for
>
> Everyone. There is nothing wrong with the stock brakes other than they
> could fade really bad when you really might need them. The
>
> Matco pads are double the size of the stock pads so they will last way
> longer. They feel almost Identical to the stock brakes.
>
> I agree that 90% of the time the stock brakes are fine. When driving
> your car in normal conditions you are not using much brake
>
> Power. Would you drive your car with the possibility of severe fade?
> Some will some won't. That's why we are building our airplanes
>
> And not buying certified we have options. As Tim said weigh your
> options There is no correct answer here.
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:54 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: brakes
>
> I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
> in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
> benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
> Linn
>
> On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone
> have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes?
> It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco,
> and ties you to a single source for pads.
>
> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort
> to sell the unused Cleveland set.
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> <mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>> wrote:
>
> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I
> think Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
>
> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love
> them.
>
> Geoff
>
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: brakes
>
> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price
> competitive and about twice the stopping power.
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Ah, I see an issue here. I doubt that you're 'not as good a pilot'
..... I've always said an old, bol pilot is one that survives all
his/her mistakes! I think it all boils down to how many angels you have
sitting on your shoulders. I have a bunch!!!
Anyway, I'm a FL resident and have almost all my 2500+ hours landing
near sea level. I've made a coast-coast trip ..... and was amazed at
the length of runways out west!!! I learned (or relearned) two things
on that trip .... density altitude matters ..... and there's a reason
the charts aren't green out west!!!!
I don't use my brakes much, preferring to use drag for braking ..... and
most of the runways I use around here are 4000' long ..... but I still
only use 2/3 of that.
Linn
On 7/3/2014 3:49 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> Maybe you can just caulk it up to I am just not as good of a pilot......but
> I have and do see the brake fade problem once or twice a year. Normally on
> fast landing and trying to make a turn off. Most of my landings are at
> airports 4500 MSL or higher and thus the ground speeds are faster. Spent
> two weeks last summer flying in the low lands of Louisiana and Florida and
> was impressed with my relatively short landings, etc.....then I can back
> home and was back to normal.
>
> 40 knots and hard braking ........you will see brake fade......
>
> I am to cheap to replace my wheels and brakes, but sooner or later I will,
> maybe.
>
> If I was building again, I would look for other options.
>
> I love my RV-10......
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brakes
>
>
> I guess I'd tend to agree, myself, but there are two sides to the discussion
> I guess.
>
> I've talked to Sean about this, and he's seen some brake fade before, and
> with the added stopping power you wouldn't get much for brake fade. From
> what he says, it's not really for stopping on a landing, but stopping from
> an aborted takeoff that it would matter most. I can see the point, and see
> the benefit.
>
> That said, I've never experienced the need for more brake than I have, and
> in fact I've had a few times where I did some hard braking to make a turnoff
> and screeched a flat spot onto a tire, so I believe that 99.5% of the time
> the stock brakes will be plenty, and most people won't ever have the chance
> to use the additional stopping power, hopefully.
>
> Then from a purchase standpoint, I'd guess that if you already own one type
> of wheel/brake system, the economics of changing really aren't worthwhile
> for anyone, unless you really just have to have those powerful brakes. It's
> not like I'm going to get big bucks for my old brakes.
>
> Then from a standpoint of replacement parts, it is somewhat nice that if you
> use a standard system, you can buy standard parts at many places. I just
> experienced a flat in one of my main tubes while on vacation, which drove
> home the idea that it's kind of nice to be able to get parts from a nearby
> source in a pinch. If you have Cleveland, you have a good chance of being
> able to find some parts. With any others, you may find yourself getting some
> shipped overnight and taking a couple days. But then again, you may have
> less need for the parts, right? I'm also not a huge fan of single-source
> type products in that from EFIS's to Wheels, many of the things we buy for
> our plane rely on a very tiny number of people to supply the services.
> If that company got hit by a meteor, or had any number of other things go
> wrong, you may be without parts. This isn't to scare you from Matco,
> because we use their parts for many other things too. But, at least now
> that there are 2 lining makers for my brakes, I've got options. Then again,
> if you bought a spare 2 or 3 sets of pads for Matco's brakes, you may never
> end up needing to call them again, because they'd wear so much slower.
>
> Either way, it's nice that we have multiple options for our wheels and
> brakes. It keeps us well supplied for the long run. For those who love the
> new brakes, great, and it's nice to remind new builders that they have
> options. For those who would rather have the old brakes, or don't want to
> pony up, I don't see this as any big deal either. Myself, I am just happy
> to see that lining prices are now down under $8 each, so I can keep
> replacing them as needed and enjoy many more years of service. If I were
> building a new RV-10 today, I'd look at the cost difference and then decide
> which way to go. There really isn't a "bad" choice, but there may be a good
> and better. If the price is within a couple or few hundred bucks, I'd just
> go for the best. If not, it's time to start weighing the options. The most
> important thing is to pick one and move on, because agonizing over all the
> details is just going to cost you weeks/months/years of time that you could
> be FLYING instead of building. :)
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 7/3/2014 12:53 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>> I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
>> in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
>> benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
>> Linn
>>
>> On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
>>> problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would
>>> seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you
>>> to a single source for pads.
>>>
>>> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
>>> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to
>>> sell the unused Cleveland set.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
>>> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
>>> <mailto:g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think
>>> Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
>>>
>>> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *DLM
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brakes
>>>
>>> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price
>>> competitive and about twice the stopping power.
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>
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I have never experienced any fade; but I do not think I've made any maximum effort
stops at gross, nor have I aborted a takeoff. And the numbers say that if
I started from 70 knots instead of 50 there would be twice as much heat to deal
with. Maybe the Clevelands are right on the edge of fading in normal operation?
I also wonder if the castoring nose wheel plays in here, for aborted takeoffs?
E.g., at the start of a takeoff roll are the brakes already hot from a long
taxi?
Question: has anyone compared the Rapco pads vs the Clevelands, for fast/maximum
effort stops?
Tim, I believe current kits from Vans ship with Matco or Grove wheels, so an "upgrade(?)"
to Clevelands will be more than a few hundred dollars.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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