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1. 03:25 AM - brakes (DLM)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: brakes (Kelly McMullen)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: brakes (Tim Farrell)
4. 04:44 PM - Firewall penetrations (Ed Godfrey)
5. 07:37 PM - Flap Chafing / Tape (kearney)
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I believe, I was the first to install the Matco. My building partner and I
determined the drilling locations for the calipers. Another pilot flies my
aircraft; I told him that since there were four pads per side to go easy on
the braking. On the other hand if we have to stop, DO IT and we will change
the tires and tubes. I still have and extra set of used Clevelands; planned
to sell them at Copperstate 2013 but was preoccupied. I use the Matco
repadding surface. I have an extra set of shoes and just send in the old set
for renewal and have another set ready to go in the hangar. I also like the
wear indicator in the pad so inspection of wear is readily apparent. and no
they do not fade. If a person has already installed and used the Clevelands
or their clones, I would not necessarily go Matco but given a new build I
would not question to go Matco. Also know that the caliper is and internal
grip as opposed to the external grip of the Clevelands. Also the wheels are
aluminum and weigh an extra pound or two but do not burn as a Class D fire.
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I see Vans also offers (supplies?) Grove wheels and brakes. They appear to
use standard Cleveland pads (66-105 or 66-106?) and are in same price range
as the Matco. I can't find a lot of detail on Grove's website to compare
with the Matco.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:24 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
> I believe, I was the first to install the Matco. My building partner and
> I determined the drilling locations for the calipers. Another pilot flies
> my aircraft; I told him that since there were four pads per side to go easy
> on the braking. On the other hand if we *have *to stop, DO IT and we will
> change the tires and tubes. I still have and extra set of used Clevelands;
> planned to sell them at Copperstate 2013 but was preoccupied. I use the
> Matco repadding surface. I have an extra set of shoes and just send in the
> old set for renewal and have another set ready to go in the hangar. I also
> like the wear indicator in the pad so inspection of wear is readily
> apparent. and no they do not fade. If a person has already installed and
> used the Clevelands or their clones, I would not necessarily go Matco but
> given a new build I would not question to go Matco. Also know that the
> caliper is and internal grip as opposed to the external grip of the
> Clevelands. Also the wheels are aluminum and weigh an extra pound or two
> but do not burn as a Class D fire.
>
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> *
>
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In the last couple of years we have seen three failures of the Cleveland cal
ipers on RV-10s. Two of them were on the same plane and with in a couple day
s of each other. Sure, there's probably some relation to piloting technique
or to a particular hard use of the brakes, but in my opinion, the caliper s
houldn't fail. What appears to happen is that the caliper expands so much th
at fluid can get by the o-ring. And something seems to happen the causes the
m to the deform permanently and the fluid will slowly leak out after the eve
nt. The first caliper we saw this on had almost new brake pads. The second h
ad brake pads with about 100 hours on them, but they were still within spec.
In the process of researching the brakes and searching for a fix, I found ou
t the following, some of which has already been repeated in this thread. Van
s switched from Cleveland to Grove in the kits, primarily because of pricing
. They switched from the single puck Cleveland design to the single puck Gro
ve design. We wanted more stopping power and no possibility of fading, so w
e looked at the Matco design. We also contacted Grove and they offered up a t
wo puck caliper that they would recommend for the 10. In the end we went wit
h the Matco design because they had the kit dialed in.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 4, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see Vans also offers (supplies?) Grove wheels and brakes. They appear to
use standard Cleveland pads (66-105 or 66-106?) and are in same price range
as the Matco. I can't find a lot of detail on Grove's website to compare wi
th the Matco.
>
>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:24 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>> I believe, I was the first to install the Matco. My building partner and I
determined the drilling locations for the calipers. Another pilot flies my a
ircraft; I told him that since there were four pads per side to go easy on t
he braking. On the other hand if we have to stop, DO IT and we will change t
he tires and tubes. I still have and extra set of used Clevelands; planned t
o sell them at Copperstate 2013 but was preoccupied. I use the Matco repaddi
ng surface. I have an extra set of shoes and just send in the old set for re
newal and have another set ready to go in the hangar. I also like the wear i
ndicator in the pad so inspection of wear is readily apparent. and no they d
o not fade. If a person has already installed and used the Clevelands or the
ir clones, I would not necessarily go Matco but given a new build I would no
t question to go Matco. Also know that the caliper is and internal grip as o
pposed to the external grip of the Clevelands. Also the wheels are aluminum
and weigh an extra pound or two but do not burn as a Class D fire.
>>
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>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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| Subject: | Firewall penetrations |
Has anyone used or considered using the steel eyeball from Doubletree,
model 6100, for the control cables passing through the firewall?
http://www.doubleteeproducts.com/products.html
Ed Godfrey
40717
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| Subject: | Flap Chafing / Tape |
Hi
I am looking at getting my -10 painted in a month or so. Over the past year I have
noticed that the flaps chafe against the upper skin. My concern is that when
everything is painted, the nonexistent gap between the flap and upper skin
will become very tight.
I am planning on installing 3m tape but am wondering if I should open up the gap
by putting a small upward bend in the skin.
Has anyone faced this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
Is there any preference to putting the tape on the flap or underneath the skin?
Is there any tape that is preferable?
Cheers
Les
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