Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:28 AM - OSH (Bob Leffler)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: OSH (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Stuck in Cheyenne (David Saylor)
4. 07:40 AM - Re: OSH (Tim Olson)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: OSH (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: OSH (Phillip Perry)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: OSH (Rene Felker)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: Stuck in Cheyenne (Jesse Saint)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: OSH (Jesse Saint)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: OSH (William Greenley)
11. 10:17 AM - Kelly's comment about hangar use--not specific to RV-10s. (David Saylor)
12. 10:23 AM - Re: Stuck in Cheyenne (David Saylor)
13. 10:37 AM - Re: OSH (woxofswa)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: OSH (John Jessen)
15. 12:16 PM - Re: Stuck in Cheyenne (Linn Walters)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: OSH (Tim Olson)
17. 12:48 PM - Re: OSH (Rene Felker)
18. 01:43 PM - Re: Stuck in Cheyenne ()
19. 04:37 PM - 24 month ifr check (Chris)
20. 04:53 PM - Re: OSH (John Jessen)
21. 09:44 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bill Watson)
22. 09:47 PM - Re: 24 month ifr check (Bill Watson)
23. 10:06 PM - Re: 24 month ifr check (Tom Strickland)
24. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions of doing
before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.
For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe journey home!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
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Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other
lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or
upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview,
there seems to have been a real lack of activity.
I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to
airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur
building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars,
and claims that is not a change.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>
> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>
> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions
> of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.
>
> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe journey
> home!
>
> Bob
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck in Cheyenne |
Kelly and Jesse, I'll suggest 600x6s. Do you know off-hand what the
difference between the two sizes would be? Shape? Height?
He's got a long way to go so he might want to keep all the fairings. His
call.
--Dave
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Every FBO should have 6:00 X 6 6ply on hand. Mount a pair of those as
> temporary substitute to get home.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:10 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, a friend of mine is stranded in Cheyenne with his RV-10 due to a
>> flat tire. He's having trouble finding one locally. If anyone can offer
>> him a 15x600-6 sooner than Saturday, he'd appreciate it very much. Please
>> give me a call and I'll pass on his contact info.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Dave Saylor
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
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This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I don't t
hink that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just a great plac
e to be, to go, and to fly into.
Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B products
are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for many years....I'v
e been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 hours. You can get a unit t
hat will integrate with most any system today. So any new product announcem
ent for ADS-B really isn't big news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dua
l channel in+out system with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and i
ntegrate with any panel...that would still be newsworthy.
Tim
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other l
ists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or up
graded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there
seems to have been a real lack of activity.
> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to ai
rport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building o
f aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims t
hat is not a change.
>
>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>
>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>
>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>
>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intention
s of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.
>>
>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe journey h
ome!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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Tim,
That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the
2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you
need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate
with the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.
Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still
seeking certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are
still having problems getting approval of communications with various
certified GPS units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for
each combination along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going
there isn't a prayer of getting a large percentage of the fleet that
uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually get them installed.
I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing
the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer
still has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
Kelly
On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I
> don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just
> a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any
> panel...that would still be newsworthy.
> Tim
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>> activity.
>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision
>> to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude
>> amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on
>> airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>
>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>
>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>
>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>> didn't get to them.
>>
>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>> journey home!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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I really wish we could have been there this year, but it just wasn't in the c
ards (for the 2nd year in a row now).
I think we will be flying the RV-10 into there next year though. I think I s
ee a shimmering light at the end of the tunnel. Assuming it's really the en
d of the tunnel and not another freight train, we should be there with room t
o spare. It's about time.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other l
ists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or up
graded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there
seems to have been a real lack of activity.
> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to ai
rport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building o
f aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims t
hat is not a change.
>
>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>
>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>
>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>
>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intention
s of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.
>>
>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe journey h
ome!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> ==========
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
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>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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I think Navworx's got their certification.
I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love. Traffic and weather
are great and works great with my WingX.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
Tim,
That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the
2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you need both
the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with the Mode C
if a UAT unit is selected.
Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking certification.
Even the Trig products under various labels are still having problems
getting approval of communications with various certified GPS units. Not to
mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination along with airframe
STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer of getting a large
percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually
get them installed.
I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing the STCs,
but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still has to show
compliance with all the TSO requirements.
Kelly
On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I
> don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just
> a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any
> panel...that would still be newsworthy.
> Tim
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>> activity.
>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision
>> to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude
>> amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on
>> airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>
>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>
>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>
>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>> didn't get to them.
>>
>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>> journey home!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck in Cheyenne |
They are a little bit taller, but I don't know how much. It is possible
that they will fit in the fairings, but I doubt it, without some
modification. The 5 knots or so lost without the main wheel pants on
shouldn't be a show stopper.
Actually, is the tire bad or just the tube? A 600x6 tube should work
fine in the existing tire. Then he could keep his fairings on.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:27 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kelly and Jesse, I'll suggest 600x6s. Do you know off-hand what the
difference between the two sizes would be? Shape? Height?
>
> He's got a long way to go so he might want to keep all the fairings.
His call.
>
> --Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Every FBO should have 6:00 X 6 6ply on hand. Mount a pair of those as
temporary substitute to get home.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:10 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Guys, a friend of mine is stranded in Cheyenne with his RV-10 due to a
flat tire. He's having trouble finding one locally. If anyone can
offer him a 15x600-6 sooner than Saturday, he'd appreciate it very much.
Please give me a call and I'll pass on his contact info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Dave Saylor
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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The only new ADS-B Out device I saw was the Appareo Transponder. It is not finished
or certified yet, but they are building a transponder that will be ADS-B
Out compliant with its internal WAAS GPS. As was already mentioned, it is not
yet certified, so there is no telling when it will be ready or how much it will
cost. We still have 5+ years before the mandate takes effect, and a lot can
happen in that time, both with changing the requirement (similar to the 406MHz
ELT's) and with cheaper options for compliance. More products in the marketplace
means more competition, which should bring the price down.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the 2020
requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you need both
the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with the Mode C if
a UAT unit is selected.
> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking certification.
Even the Trig products under various labels are still having problems
getting approval of communications with various certified GPS units. Not to
mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination along with airframe
STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer of getting a large
percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually
get them installed. I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier
road, not needing the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the
manufacturer still has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
> Kelly
> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I don't
think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just a great place
to be, to go, and to fly into.
>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B products
are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for many years....I've
been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 hours. You can get a unit that
will integrate with most any system today. So any new product announcement for
ADS-B really isn't big news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel
in+out system with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate
with any panel...that would still be newsworthy.
>> Tim
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other lists........However,
I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or upgraded
products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there seems
to have been a real lack of activity.
>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to airport
hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building of aircraft
earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims that is
not a change.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>
>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>
>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>
>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>> didn't get to them.
>>>
>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>> journey home!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
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Someone mentioned that L3 said they were finishing a dual in and out ADSB
that would be at the 3K price point.
Bill Greenley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
The only new ADS-B Out device I saw was the Appareo Transponder. It is not
finished or certified yet, but they are building a transponder that will be
ADS-B Out compliant with its internal WAAS GPS. As was already mentioned, it
is not yet certified, so there is no telling when it will be ready or how
much it will cost. We still have 5+ years before the mandate takes effect,
and a lot can happen in that time, both with changing the requirement
(similar to the 406MHz ELT's) and with cheaper options for compliance. More
products in the marketplace means more competition, which should bring the
price down.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the
2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you
need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with
the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.
> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking
certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are still having
problems getting approval of communications with various certified GPS
units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination
along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer
of getting a large percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required
to have ADS-B to actually get them installed. I appreciate that the OBAM
community has a much easier road, not needing the STCs, but the equipment
still is very pricey and the manufacturer still has to show compliance with
all the TSO requirements.
> Kelly
> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I
don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just a
great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for many
years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 hours. You can
get a unit that will integrate with most any system today. So any new
product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big news anymore....unless
perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system with integral gps that can be
bought for $1000 and integrate with any panel...that would still be
newsworthy.
>> Tim
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
<mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of
new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its
Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.
>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to
airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building
of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims
that is not a change.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
<mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>
>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>
>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>
>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>> didn't get to them.
>>>
>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>> journey home!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Kelly's comment about hangar use--not specific to RV-10s. |
I hadn't seen or heard anything about FAA's proposed hangar use rules.
For those similarly in the dark, better read up. Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/mdas6m5
The section titled "Use of Hangars for Fabrication and Assembly of
Aircraft" is especially pretty.
I imagine there'll be a little pushback...
--Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck in Cheyenne |
Thanks Jesse. I did some digging around and found a Goodyear document that
says, at least for Goodyear tires, that 600-6s are about 2" larger in
diameter. So yeah, I wouldn't think the fairings would go back on.
The 600-6s are also a few pounds heavier. That probably drove Vans'
selection, but it shouldn't keep someone from using them if necessary.
--Dave
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
> They are a little bit taller, but I don't know how much. It is possible
> that they will fit in the fairings, but I doubt it, without some
> modification. The 5 knots or so lost without the main wheel pants on
> shouldn't be a show stopper.
>
> Actually, is the tire bad or just the tube? A 600x6 tube should work fine
> in the existing tire. Then he could keep his fairings on.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:27 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kelly and Jesse, I'll suggest 600x6s. Do you know off-hand what the
> difference between the two sizes would be? Shape? Height?
>
> He's got a long way to go so he might want to keep all the fairings. His
> call.
>
> --Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Every FBO should have 6:00 X 6 6ply on hand. Mount a pair of those as
>> temporary substitute to get home.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:10 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, a friend of mine is stranded in Cheyenne with his RV-10 due to a
>>> flat tire. He's having trouble finding one locally. If anyone can offer
>>> him a 15x600-6 sooner than Saturday, he'd appreciate it very much. Please
>>> give me a call and I'll pass on his contact info.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --Dave Saylor
>>>
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
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>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
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Evie and I had a great time on the first long trip of the airplane.
Saw a lot of -10's that I would have loved to peek inside of but most had their
doors closed and covers on. I opened mine up for an afternoon and had a ton of
looky-loos who appreciated a chance to look and ask questions.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427749#427749
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Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> I think Navworx's got their certification.
>
> I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love. Traffic and
weather are great and works great with my WingX.
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:52 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
>
>
> Tim,
> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the
> 2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you need
both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with the Mode
C if a UAT unit is selected.
> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking certification.
Even the Trig products under various labels are still having problems
getting approval of communications with various certified GPS units. Not to
mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination along with airframe
STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer of getting a large
percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually
get them installed.
> I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing the
STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still has to
show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
> Kelly
>> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I
>> don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just
>> a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
>> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
>> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
>> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
>> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
>> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
>> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any
>> panel...that would still be newsworthy.
>> Tim
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>>> activity.
>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision
>>> to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude
>>> amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on
>>> airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>
>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>
>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>
>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>> didn't get to them.
>>>
>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>> journey home!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck in Cheyenne |
On 8/1/2014 1:22 PM, David Saylor wrote:
> Thanks Jesse. I did some digging around and found a Goodyear document
> that says, at least for Goodyear tires, that 600-6s are about 2"
> larger in diameter. So yeah, I wouldn't think the fairings would go
> back on.
>
> The 600-6s are also a few pounds heavier. That probably drove Vans'
> selection, but it shouldn't keep someone from using them if necessary.
>
> --Dave
OK, would anyone that has not mounted the pants consider mounting them
over 600-6s????? They'd only be 1" higher.
Linn
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Foreflight is too closed to offer anybody else's receiver to work. Other products
work with most every other receiver there is.
That's another reason I prefer wingX other than as a preflight planner.
Tim
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?
>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think Navworx's got their certification.
>>
>> I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love. Traffic and
weather are great and works great with my WingX.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:52 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the
>> 2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you need
both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with the Mode
C if a UAT unit is selected.
>> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking certification.
Even the Trig products under various labels are still having problems
getting approval of communications with various certified GPS units. Not
to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination along with airframe
STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer of getting a large
percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually
get them installed.
>> I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing the
STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still has to
show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
>> Kelly
>>> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements. I
>>> don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is just
>>> a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
>>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
>>> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
>>> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
>>> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
>>> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
>>> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
>>> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any
>>> panel...that would still be newsworthy.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>>>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>>>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>>>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>>>> activity.
>>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision
>>>> to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude
>>>> amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on
>>>> airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>>
>>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>>
>>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>>> didn't get to them.
>>>>
>>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>>> journey home!
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> ==========
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
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I don't have any experience with Foreflight, but all my experience with
WingX has been great.
I use voyager for flight planning.....do I dare say......when I do flight
planning.
On my last trip....Ogden UT to Coos Bay Oregon....I found a couple refueling
options (my wife suffers from TB (tiny bladder)) via AirNav.com and did the
flight plan on the fly. Updated TFR's in WingX before I left and got the
weather via ASD-B in the air. I had looked at the weather the night before
so knew what to expect.
What an age we live in.....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
Foreflight is too closed to offer anybody else's receiver to work. Other
products work with most every other receiver there is.
That's another reason I prefer wingX other than as a preflight planner.
Tim
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?
>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think Navworx's got their certification.
>>
>> I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love. Traffic
and weather are great and works great with my WingX.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
>> McMullen
>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:52 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets
>> the
>> 2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you
need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with
the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.
>> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking
certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are still having
problems getting approval of communications with various certified GPS
units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination
along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer
of getting a large percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required
to have ADS-B to actually get them installed.
>> I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing
the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still
has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
>> Kelly
>>> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements.
>>> I don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is
>>> just a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
>>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
>>> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
>>> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
>>> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
>>> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
>>> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
>>> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with
>>> any panel...that would still be newsworthy.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>>>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>>>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>>>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>>>> activity.
>>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed
>>>> revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items,
>>>> exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly"
>>>> in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>>
>>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>>
>>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>>> didn't get to them.
>>>>
>>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>>> journey home!
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> ==========
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck in Cheyenne |
Hey Linn,
You might want to consider clearance on the lower end of the pants ... the
higher you raise them to get top tire clearance, the more you have
interference with bleed valve/brake bolt clearance on the bottom end.
Later, - Lew
OK, would anyone that has not mounted the pants consider mounting them
over 600-6s????? They'd only be 1" higher.
Linn
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| Subject: | 24 month ifr check |
Does anyone have a recommendation on an avionics shop nearest to eastern NC that
will do this check on my 10? I have the GRT Hx's sending altitude to a gtx 327.
Thanks
Chris Lucas
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Might have to give WingX a try.
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:47 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
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>
> I don't have any experience with Foreflight, but all my experience with
> WingX has been great.
>
> I use voyager for flight planning.....do I dare say......when I do flight
> planning.
>
> On my last trip....Ogden UT to Coos Bay Oregon....I found a couple refueling
> options (my wife suffers from TB (tiny bladder)) via AirNav.com and did the
> flight plan on the fly. Updated TFR's in WingX before I left and got the
> weather via ASD-B in the air. I had looked at the weather the night before
> so knew what to expect.
>
> What an age we live in.....
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
>
>
> Foreflight is too closed to offer anybody else's receiver to work. Other
> products work with most every other receiver there is.
> That's another reason I prefer wingX other than as a preflight planner.
> Tim
>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Navworx's got their certification.
>>>
>>> I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love. Traffic
> and weather are great and works great with my WingX.
>>>
>>> Rene' Felker
>>> N423CF
>>> 801-721-6080
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
>>> McMullen
>>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 8:52 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>> That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets
>>> the
>>> 2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you
> need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with
> the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.
>>> Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking
> certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are still having
> problems getting approval of communications with various certified GPS
> units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination
> along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer
> of getting a large percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required
> to have ADS-B to actually get them installed.
>>> I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing
> the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still
> has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.
>>> Kelly
>>>> On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements.
>>>> I don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway. It is
>>>> just a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.
>>>> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B
>>>> products are plentiful and "old news". They've been available for
>>>> many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000
>>>> hours. You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system
>>>> today. So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big
>>>> news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system
>>>> with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with
>>>> any panel...that would still be newsworthy.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:apilot2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and
>>>>> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of
>>>>> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some
>>>>> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of
>>>>> activity.
>>>>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.
>>>>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed
>>>>> revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items,
>>>>> exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly"
>>>>> in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com
>>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was great to see all my friends at OSH!
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good
>>>>> intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I
>>>>> didn't get to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those still at OSH, Have great rest of the show and a safe
>>>>> journey home!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Same here. I tried to open it up whenever I was nearby and got plenty
of looky-loos - which isn't to say they weren't serious lookers.
Met a chap from Western AUS who was a bit confounded by Vans' apparent
lack of interest in his interest. I was glad to give him as much of a
tour as he wanted while explaining that while sales, marketing and
support may not by Vans strong point, engineering, design and
performance is - and I guess that could pass for a form of marketing.
The product does seem to sell itself which is what we all dream of.
I've seen a lot of complaints from show attendees about the lack of
knowledge of vendor reps at the show. My experience from the vendor
side of biz shows is that 1) they are generally a bit of a pain in the
buttocks, 2) vendor people are sent as a kind of perk, developmental
opportunity or punishment and 3) they aren't very productive. It's a
shame because the bad taste generated in the marketplace can linger.
But let's face it, most informational exchanges can be done better
electronically and when some F2F is required, somewhere other than a
show is going to be more productive and effective.
Bill "I attended for the booze" Watson
On 8/1/2014 1:36 PM, woxofswa wrote:
>
> Evie and I had a great time on the first long trip of the airplane.
>
> Saw a lot of -10's that I would have loved to peek inside of but most had their
doors closed and covers on. I opened mine up for an afternoon and had a ton
of looky-loos who appreciated a chance to look and ask questions.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Flew May 10 2014
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427749#427749
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| Subject: | Re: 24 month ifr check |
Sparkchasers at KJNX did mine with that particular setup - no problem.
Is that eastern? Do planes fly? :-)
On 8/1/2014 7:36 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation on an avionics shop nearest to eastern NC that
will do this check on my 10? I have the GRT Hx's sending altitude to a gtx
327.
> Thanks
> Chris Lucas
>
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| Subject: | Re: 24 month ifr check |
Sparkchasers KJNX has always treated me well. Call get appointment.
On Aug 1, 2014 7:50 PM, "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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> Does anyone have a recommendation on an avionics shop nearest to eastern
> NC that will do this check on my 10? I have the GRT Hx's sending altitude
> to a gtx 327.
> Thanks
> Chris Lucas
>
>
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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