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1. 05:02 AM - Re: Fuel senders (bill.peyton)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands (Carlos Trigo)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Stall warning (johngoodman)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands (William DeLacey)
5. 09:17 AM - Re: Fuel senders (Lenny Iszak)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Tim Olson)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Sean Stephens)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (David Saylor)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Sean Stephens)
10. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (David Saylor)
11. 12:36 PM - Re: Stall warning (Mike Whisky)
12. 02:22 PM - Re: Rotating wing stands (Carlos Trigo)
13. 05:16 PM - maintenance (DLM)
14. 05:31 PM - Re: maintenance (Kelly McMullen)
15. 05:48 PM - Re: maintenance (Linn Walters)
16. 05:52 PM - Re: maintenance (Rene Felker)
17. 05:56 PM - Re: maintenance (PReid)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
I agree with Bob. The float type fuel senders are pretty accurate if you spend
some quality time calibrating them with your EFIS. Coupled with the fuel flow
sending unit you usually know within a couple of tenths of a gallon, your fuel
consumption
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Rotating wing stands |
Lew
Waiting for those pictures.
Thanks
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net
Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
Hey Carlos,
I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I do have
some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom edge.
I'll try to get some pics.
Later, - Lew
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
> Guys
>
> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can
> you please point me out to some information about those?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Stall warning |
I didn't install it - already have AoA.
John
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#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | Re: Rotating wing stands |
This is my version of the wing rotator on a 9.
8 Ft 2x4 with legs to make a saw horse. Two 8 Ft lengths of PVC pipe.
One 2 inch for rear rib hole the other sized to fit the rib hole aft of
spar. Cut in half and insert into both ends o the wing.
Easy to flip wing to install stuff. For riveting I used a second set of
saw horses with carpet padding on the 2x4 s.
Good Luck.
On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
<trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
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> Lew
>
> Waiting for those pictures.
>
> Thanks
> Carlos
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de
lewgall@charter.net
> Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39
> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
>
>
> Hey Carlos,
>
> I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I
do have
> some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom
edge.
> I'll try to get some pics.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Trigo
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
>
>
>
>> Guys
>>
>> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can
>> you please point me out to some information about those?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Carlos
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
Capacitive fuel senders are only worthwhile if you build your own tanks.
If you install them in QB tanks they won't see the top 5 gallons, just like the
floats, because of the wing dihedral.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS anyway, and really
don't much miss the top few gallons of reading, because where I really care
about it is when it's under 1/2. With the totalizer on board, the floats are
more a 2nd reference anyway. The totalizer is very precise when I top off the
tanks.
Tim
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
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> Capacitive fuel senders are only worthwhile if you build your own tanks.
> If you install them in QB tanks they won't see the top 5 gallons, just like the
floats, because of the wing dihedral.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
I kind of refer to the floats as a backup to the totalizer also. I
visually inspect and stick the tanks as part of preflight.
One thing that annoys me during flight when maneuvering is that the
floats will obviously be incorrect for a given period of time. This is
acceptable because I know that it will happen. The issue for me is that
my AFS EFIS will audible and visual warn me that the float readings
don't match the totalizer. I've thought about disabling that feature,
but I really like the reminder while on the ground after fill-up as a
trigger to reset the totalizer for full mains. Have others turned off
the float/totalizer mismatch warning?
-Sean #40303 (phase one complete, dreading more fiberglass work to
finish pants on mains)
> Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> August 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM
>
> I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS
> anyway, and really don't much miss the top few gallons of reading,
> because where I really care about it is when it's under 1/2. With the
> totalizer on board, the floats are more a 2nd reference anyway. The
> totalizer is very precise when I top off the tanks.
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like maybe 15
gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam.
"The system will give the audible warning =9CCheck Fuel Computer
=9D on startup
if the fuel computer=99s gallons remaining value
does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in
Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added
fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.* The number of gallons that
will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument *
*Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are near
full this value is doubled when the tanks show
full".
That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-)
--Dave
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
wrote:
>
> I kind of refer to the floats as a backup to the totalizer also. I
> visually inspect and stick the tanks as part of preflight.
>
> One thing that annoys me during flight when maneuvering is that the float
s
> will obviously be incorrect for a given period of time. This is acceptab
le
> because I know that it will happen. The issue for me is that my AFS EFIS
> will audible and visual warn me that the float readings don't match the
> totalizer. I've thought about disabling that feature, but I really like
> the reminder while on the ground after fill-up as a trigger to reset the
> totalizer for full mains. Have others turned off the float/totalizer
> mismatch warning?
>
> -Sean #40303 (phase one complete, dreading more fiberglass work to finish
> pants on mains)
>
> Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> August 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM
>>
>> I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS anyway,
>> and really don't much miss the top few gallons of reading, because where
I
>> really care about it is when it's under 1/2. With the totalizer on board
,
>> the floats are more a 2nd reference anyway. The totalizer is very precis
e
>> when I top off the tanks.
>> Tim
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
Ya. Think I have mine set at 10 gallon difference right now. Maybe
just increasing that will give me enough spread to reduce the warnings.
Working on IFR approaches now and that damn warning causes undesired eye
movement and interruptions after my uncoordinated turns. :)
-Sean
> David Saylor <mailto:saylor.dave@gmail.com>
> August 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM
> I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like
> maybe 15 gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam.
>
> "The system will give the audible warning Check Fuel Computer on
> startup if the fuel computers gallons remaining value
> does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in
> Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added
> fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.*The number of gallons
> that will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument *
> *Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are
> near full this value is doubled when the tanks show
> full".
>
> That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-)
>
> --Dave
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel senders |
Off topic but I found auto trim (TruTrak) to be a big help during
approaches. It wasn't really the trim forces that bothered me as they
aren't that big, it was the annunciator on the AP that I found distracting.
Any yeah, getting all those little annoying things cleaned up help a lot
not just with approaches but with general enjoyment of the plane.
do not archive
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
wrote:
>
> Ya. Think I have mine set at 10 gallon difference right now. Maybe just
> increasing that will give me enough spread to reduce the warnings.
>
> Working on IFR approaches now and that damn warning causes undesired eye
> movement and interruptions after my uncoordinated turns. :)
>
> -Sean
>
> David Saylor <mailto:saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>> August 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM
>> I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like maybe
>> 15 gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam.
>>
>> "The system will give the audible warning =9CCheck Fuel Computer
=9D on
>> startup if the fuel computer=99s gallons remaining value
>> does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in
>> Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added
>> fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.*The number of gallons that
>> will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument *
>> *Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are
>> near full this value is doubled when the tanks show
>> full".
>>
>> That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-)
>>
>> --Dave
>>
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>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Stall warning |
I installed both as well for the sake of redundancy. Although I have to admit that
with the Lightspeed headsets as posted before you kind of have to develop
a sense to recognize it. After all the stall test I do hear it though now.
Mike
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RV-10 builder (flying)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Rotating wing stands |
Thanks William
That's a simple and inexpensive solution.
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 19/08/2014, s 16:13, William DeLacey <whd721@msn.com> escreveu:
> This is my version of the wing rotator on a 9.
>
> 8 Ft 2x4 with legs to make a saw horse. Two 8 Ft lengths of PVC pipe. One 2
inch for rear rib hole the other sized to fit the rib hole aft of spar. Cut
in half and insert into both ends o the wing.
>
> <IMG_3520.jpeg>
> <IMG_3522.jpeg>
>
>
> Easy to flip wing to install stuff. For riveting I used a second set of saw
horses with carpet padding on the 2x4 s.
> Good Luck.
>
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>> Waiting for those pictures.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Carlos
>>
>> -----Mensagem original-----
>> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net
>> Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39
>> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
>>
>>
>> Hey Carlos,
>>
>> I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I do have
>> some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom edge.
>> I'll try to get some pics.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos Trigo
>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
>>
>>
>>
>>> Guys
>>>
>>> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can
>>> you please point me out to some information about those?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours for
inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to maintain these?
if possible relate it to flight hours.
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I'm not flying yet with the RV-10. However I would expect the time to do
a condition inspection to be similar to what I spend on doing an annual
on my Mooney. While the Mooney is retractable, its control system is
simpler and easier to get to, and it has no autopilot and none of the
new avionics systems to check. Commercial shops charge approx 25 hours
to do a 4 cyl Mooney. I expect a similar amount of time to do an RV-10.
Also items like electronic ignition and other options may add to that
time. Now if you keep up with maintenance to the point that the only
maintenance done at the same time is an oil change, you might be able to
do the inspection in half that time, but will have spent the other hours
maintaining brakes, wheels, etc. some other time.
Kelly
A&P/IA
On 8/19/2014 5:15 PM, DLM wrote:
> Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours
> for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to
> maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours.
> *
>
>
> *
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Kelly hinted at the fact that your conditional inspection can occur
throughout the year ..... your normal taking care of squawks as they
occur. Pick a month to log your conditional inspection and write down
all the maintenance items done during the past year. There will be
places that you need to look at that you didn't cover during the year so
they need to be looked at .... maybe at the time when you do the log
book entry.
Linn
On 8/19/2014 8:30 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I'm not flying yet with the RV-10. However I would expect the time to
> do a condition inspection to be similar to what I spend on doing an
> annual on my Mooney. While the Mooney is retractable, its control
> system is simpler and easier to get to, and it has no autopilot and
> none of the new avionics systems to check. Commercial shops charge
> approx 25 hours to do a 4 cyl Mooney. I expect a similar amount of
> time to do an RV-10. Also items like electronic ignition and other
> options may add to that time. Now if you keep up with maintenance to
> the point that the only maintenance done at the same time is an oil
> change, you might be able to do the inspection in half that time, but
> will have spent the other hours maintaining brakes, wheels, etc. some
> other time.
> Kelly
> A&P/IA
> On 8/19/2014 5:15 PM, DLM wrote:
>> Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor
>> hours for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to
>> maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
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Great question. No I have not recorded the time I have spent and if I did
it would not be very relevant. Each year I have done some type of mod to
the airplane and in almost every case the modification has taken longer than
the annual (condition) inspection. Based on the six I have done ..my guess
would be....24 hours for the inspect and minor repair. I also pay an A&P IA
to do an engine and prop inspection. This year I paid him for 3 hours.
I have had to do very little maintenance during the year.flat tire..oil
change. But that only added up to a couple of hours each year.
I have noticed that each year there seems to be a few more things to fix...
This years inspect was done at 400 hours on the airplane.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: maintenance
Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours for
inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to maintain these?
if possible relate it to flight hours.
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My first yearI spent more hours doing maintenance than flying. By the time I
did my annual I had seen every section of the plane and had every nut re-to
rqued, the next year was more time flying and this year minimal maintenance a
nd expect about 10 hours doing mostly engine inspections.
Do yourself a favor - do it yourself. There is no better confidence than kno
wing that the plane you are flying was inspected by you. If you bought the p
lane, than watch the A&P do the inspection and maintenance.
In my case I went from 50 plus hours the first year to about 10 hours doing m
aintenance this year. My time was spent on fine tuning engine leaks and prob
e replacements. Most of it could wait, but I pretty much red X anything that
is not working correctly before flying.
Pascal
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 5:15 PM, "DLM" <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours for
inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to maintain these?
if possible relate it to flight hours.
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