---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/19/14: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:02 AM - Re: Fuel senders (bill.peyton) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands (Carlos Trigo) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Stall warning (johngoodman) 4. 08:14 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands (William DeLacey) 5. 09:17 AM - Re: Fuel senders (Lenny Iszak) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Tim Olson) 7. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Sean Stephens) 8. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (David Saylor) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (Sean Stephens) 10. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Fuel senders (David Saylor) 11. 12:36 PM - Re: Stall warning (Mike Whisky) 12. 02:22 PM - Re: Rotating wing stands (Carlos Trigo) 13. 05:16 PM - maintenance (DLM) 14. 05:31 PM - Re: maintenance (Kelly McMullen) 15. 05:48 PM - Re: maintenance (Linn Walters) 16. 05:52 PM - Re: maintenance (Rene Felker) 17. 05:56 PM - Re: maintenance (PReid) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:38 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders From: "bill.peyton" I agree with Bob. The float type fuel senders are pretty accurate if you spend some quality time calibrating them with your EFIS. Coupled with the fuel flow sending unit you usually know within a couple of tenths of a gallon, your fuel consumption -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428727#428727 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:36 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands Lew Waiting for those pictures. Thanks Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39 Para: rv10-list@matronics.com Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands Hey Carlos, I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I do have some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom edge. I'll try to get some pics. Later, - Lew -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Trigo Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands > Guys > > I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can > you please point me out to some information about those? > > Thanks in advance > Carlos ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stall warning From: "johngoodman" I didn't install it - already have AoA. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete in 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428740#428740 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:14 AM PST US From: William DeLacey Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands This is my version of the wing rotator on a 9. 8 Ft 2x4 with legs to make a saw horse. Two 8 Ft lengths of PVC pipe. One 2 inch for rear rib hole the other sized to fit the rib hole aft of spar. Cut in half and insert into both ends o the wing. Easy to flip wing to install stuff. For riveting I used a second set of saw horses with carpet padding on the 2x4 s. Good Luck. On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Lew > > Waiting for those pictures. > > Thanks > Carlos > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net > Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39 > Para: rv10-list@matronics.com > Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands > > > Hey Carlos, > > I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I do have > some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom edge. > I'll try to get some pics. > > Later, - Lew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos Trigo > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands > > > >> Guys >> >> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can >> you please point me out to some information about those? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders From: "Lenny Iszak" Capacitive fuel senders are only worthwhile if you build your own tanks. If you install them in QB tanks they won't see the top 5 gallons, just like the floats, because of the wing dihedral. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428757#428757 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:00 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS anyway, and really don't much miss the top few gallons of reading, because where I really care about it is when it's under 1/2. With the totalizer on board, the floats are more a 2nd reference anyway. The totalizer is very precise when I top off the tanks. Tim > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "Lenny Iszak" wrote: > > > Capacitive fuel senders are only worthwhile if you build your own tanks. > If you install them in QB tanks they won't see the top 5 gallons, just like the floats, because of the wing dihedral. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428757#428757 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:40 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders I kind of refer to the floats as a backup to the totalizer also. I visually inspect and stick the tanks as part of preflight. One thing that annoys me during flight when maneuvering is that the floats will obviously be incorrect for a given period of time. This is acceptable because I know that it will happen. The issue for me is that my AFS EFIS will audible and visual warn me that the float readings don't match the totalizer. I've thought about disabling that feature, but I really like the reminder while on the ground after fill-up as a trigger to reset the totalizer for full mains. Have others turned off the float/totalizer mismatch warning? -Sean #40303 (phase one complete, dreading more fiberglass work to finish pants on mains) > Tim Olson > August 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM > > I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS > anyway, and really don't much miss the top few gallons of reading, > because where I really care about it is when it's under 1/2. With the > totalizer on board, the floats are more a 2nd reference anyway. The > totalizer is very precise when I top off the tanks. > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:34 AM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like maybe 15 gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam. "The system will give the audible warning =9CCheck Fuel Computer =9D on startup if the fuel computer=99s gallons remaining value does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.* The number of gallons that will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument * *Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are near full this value is doubled when the tanks show full". That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-) --Dave On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > I kind of refer to the floats as a backup to the totalizer also. I > visually inspect and stick the tanks as part of preflight. > > One thing that annoys me during flight when maneuvering is that the float s > will obviously be incorrect for a given period of time. This is acceptab le > because I know that it will happen. The issue for me is that my AFS EFIS > will audible and visual warn me that the float readings don't match the > totalizer. I've thought about disabling that feature, but I really like > the reminder while on the ground after fill-up as a trigger to reset the > totalizer for full mains. Have others turned off the float/totalizer > mismatch warning? > > -Sean #40303 (phase one complete, dreading more fiberglass work to finish > pants on mains) > > Tim Olson >> August 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM >> >> I find the floats plenty accurate after calibration to the EFIS anyway, >> and really don't much miss the top few gallons of reading, because where I >> really care about it is when it's under 1/2. With the totalizer on board , >> the floats are more a 2nd reference anyway. The totalizer is very precis e >> when I top off the tanks. >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:30 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders Ya. Think I have mine set at 10 gallon difference right now. Maybe just increasing that will give me enough spread to reduce the warnings. Working on IFR approaches now and that damn warning causes undesired eye movement and interruptions after my uncoordinated turns. :) -Sean > David Saylor > August 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM > I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like > maybe 15 gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam. > > "The system will give the audible warning Check Fuel Computer on > startup if the fuel computers gallons remaining value > does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in > Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added > fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.*The number of gallons > that will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument * > *Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are > near full this value is doubled when the tanks show > full". > > That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-) > > --Dave > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:54 PM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel senders Off topic but I found auto trim (TruTrak) to be a big help during approaches. It wasn't really the trim forces that bothered me as they aren't that big, it was the annunciator on the AP that I found distracting. Any yeah, getting all those little annoying things cleaned up help a lot not just with approaches but with general enjoyment of the plane. do not archive On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Ya. Think I have mine set at 10 gallon difference right now. Maybe just > increasing that will give me enough spread to reduce the warnings. > > Working on IFR approaches now and that damn warning causes undesired eye > movement and interruptions after my uncoordinated turns. :) > > -Sean > > David Saylor >> August 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM >> I adjusted the warning on mine for a pretty large difference, like maybe >> 15 gallons. Still warns if I don't reset it, and less spam. >> >> "The system will give the audible warning =9CCheck Fuel Computer =9D on >> startup if the fuel computer=99s gallons remaining value >> does not match the fuel tanks level. This feature (if turned on in >> Instrument Calibration) should warn you if you have added >> fuel and forget to adjust the fuel computer.*The number of gallons that >> will generate an error is adjusted in Instrument * >> *Calibrate*. Since the fuel levels are NOT accurate when the tanks are >> near full this value is doubled when the tanks show >> full". >> >> That way I don't have to be reminded about my uncoordinated turns ;-) >> >> --Dave >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stall warning From: "Mike Whisky" I installed both as well for the sake of redundancy. Although I have to admit that with the Lightspeed headsets as posted before you kind of have to develop a sense to recognize it. After all the stall test I do hear it though now. Mike -------- RV-10 builder (flying) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428787#428787 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands From: Carlos Trigo Thanks William That's a simple and inexpensive solution. Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 19/08/2014, s 16:13, William DeLacey escreveu: > This is my version of the wing rotator on a 9. > > 8 Ft 2x4 with legs to make a saw horse. Two 8 Ft lengths of PVC pipe. One 2 inch for rear rib hole the other sized to fit the rib hole aft of spar. Cut in half and insert into both ends o the wing. > > > > > > Easy to flip wing to install stuff. For riveting I used a second set of saw horses with carpet padding on the 2x4 s. > Good Luck. > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > >> >> Lew >> >> Waiting for those pictures. >> >> Thanks >> Carlos >> >> -----Mensagem original----- >> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net >> Enviada: 17 de agosto de 2014 16:39 >> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands >> >> >> Hey Carlos, >> >> I agree, for building, you probably don't need rotisserie stands. I do have >> some that I use for painting -- it helps to tip it up for that bottom edge. >> I'll try to get some pics. >> >> Later, - Lew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos Trigo >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands >> >> >> >>> Guys >>> >>> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can >>> you please point me out to some information about those? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> Carlos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:05 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: maintenance Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:01 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: maintenance I'm not flying yet with the RV-10. However I would expect the time to do a condition inspection to be similar to what I spend on doing an annual on my Mooney. While the Mooney is retractable, its control system is simpler and easier to get to, and it has no autopilot and none of the new avionics systems to check. Commercial shops charge approx 25 hours to do a 4 cyl Mooney. I expect a similar amount of time to do an RV-10. Also items like electronic ignition and other options may add to that time. Now if you keep up with maintenance to the point that the only maintenance done at the same time is an oil change, you might be able to do the inspection in half that time, but will have spent the other hours maintaining brakes, wheels, etc. some other time. Kelly A&P/IA On 8/19/2014 5:15 PM, DLM wrote: > Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours > for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to > maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:21 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: maintenance Kelly hinted at the fact that your conditional inspection can occur throughout the year ..... your normal taking care of squawks as they occur. Pick a month to log your conditional inspection and write down all the maintenance items done during the past year. There will be places that you need to look at that you didn't cover during the year so they need to be looked at .... maybe at the time when you do the log book entry. Linn On 8/19/2014 8:30 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I'm not flying yet with the RV-10. However I would expect the time to > do a condition inspection to be similar to what I spend on doing an > annual on my Mooney. While the Mooney is retractable, its control > system is simpler and easier to get to, and it has no autopilot and > none of the new avionics systems to check. Commercial shops charge > approx 25 hours to do a 4 cyl Mooney. I expect a similar amount of > time to do an RV-10. Also items like electronic ignition and other > options may add to that time. Now if you keep up with maintenance to > the point that the only maintenance done at the same time is an oil > change, you might be able to do the inspection in half that time, but > will have spent the other hours maintaining brakes, wheels, etc. some > other time. > Kelly > A&P/IA > On 8/19/2014 5:15 PM, DLM wrote: >> Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor >> hours for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to >> maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours. >> * >> >> >> * > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:24 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: maintenance Great question. No I have not recorded the time I have spent and if I did it would not be very relevant. Each year I have done some type of mod to the airplane and in almost every case the modification has taken longer than the annual (condition) inspection. Based on the six I have done ..my guess would be....24 hours for the inspect and minor repair. I also pay an A&P IA to do an engine and prop inspection. This year I paid him for 3 hours. I have had to do very little maintenance during the year.flat tire..oil change. But that only added up to a couple of hours each year. I have noticed that each year there seems to be a few more things to fix... This years inspect was done at 400 hours on the airplane. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: maintenance Does anyone have annuals done commercially or record their labor hours for inspection and maintenance? what kind of hours are spent to maintain these? if possible relate it to flight hours. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: maintenance From: PReid My first yearI spent more hours doing maintenance than flying. By the time I did my annual I had seen every section of the plane and had every nut re-to rqued, the next year was more time flying and this year minimal maintenance a nd expect about 10 hours doing mostly engine inspections. Do yourself a favor - do it yourself. There is no better confidence than kno wing that the plane you are flying was inspected by you. If you bought the p lane, than watch the A&P do the inspection and maintenance. In my case I went from 50 plus hours the first year to about 10 hours doing m aintenance this year. My time was spent on fine tuning engine leaks and prob e replacements. Most of it could wait, but I pretty much red X anything that is not working correctly before flying. 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