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Thu 08/21/14


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 06:06 AM - Main gear installation (bob88)
     2. 06:22 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Ed Godfrey)
     3. 06:36 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Linn Walters)
     4. 06:37 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Sean Stephens)
     5. 06:43 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Carl Froehlich)
     6. 07:11 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Phillip Perry)
     7. 09:48 AM - Re: Main gear installation (Rene Felker)
     8. 12:17 PM - Re: Governor mounting stud question (rleffler)
     9. 12:44 PM - Engine installation sequencing (bob88)
    10. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Governor mounting stud question (John Cox)
    11. 01:02 PM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Carl Froehlich)
    12. 01:41 PM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Ben Westfall)
    13. 02:39 PM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Bob Leffler)
    14. 03:15 PM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Linn Walters)
    15. 09:41 PM - Re: Need QB wing plans (Tom Strickland)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:06:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Main gear installation
    From: "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net>
    Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off the floor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971


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    Time: 06:22:46 AM PST US
    From: Ed Godfrey <egodfrey@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Re: Main gear installation
    Bob, I had a similar situation. I added some extra 2x4's to the bottom of my dolly, so that I would have ground clearance for the landing gear to the floor, since I will need to keep the plane on the dolly to get it out of the garage. I then used some additional 2x4's and a 4x4 in the front to get it high enough to insert the gear legs. I believe that I had to go to 30" of ground clearance to insert them. I also needed to remove the mid-seat-rail support to be able to insert the bolt. Ed Godfrey 40717 On 8/21/2014 8:05 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off the floor. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971 > >


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    Time: 06:36:03 AM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Main gear installation
    I placed a sawhorse under the rear fuselage .... as far fwd as I could get it and used my engine hoist attached to the engine lift rings. Inserting the gear legs was far easier than I thought it would be. Linn .... fairing windshield On 8/21/2014 9:05 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off the floor. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 06:37:22 AM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Main gear installation
    No pictures, but I just lifted the fuselage up on top of my EAA style workbench with the help of a couple strong backs. Was the perfect height and width. After the gear was on, just lifted the tail up and slid out the workbench. -Sean #40303 > bob88 <mailto:marty.crooks@comcast.net> > August 21, 2014 at 8:05 AM > > Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to > install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about > 18 inches off the floor. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971 > >


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    Time: 06:43:23 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: Main gear installation
    Engine hoist strapped to the engine mount (nylon straps, not a chain). A stand for under the tail once you get it lifted. Without an engine the airplane will not be stable - so you need more than a temporary tail stand if you are planning on delaying mounting the engine. Even after engine mount if you still need to be crawling around the tail cone a tail stand is recommended. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Godfrey Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main gear installation Bob, I had a similar situation. I added some extra 2x4's to the bottom of my dolly, so that I would have ground clearance for the landing gear to the floor, since I will need to keep the plane on the dolly to get it out of the garage. I then used some additional 2x4's and a 4x4 in the front to get it high enough to insert the gear legs. I believe that I had to go to 30" of ground clearance to insert them. I also needed to remove the mid-seat-rail support to be able to insert the bolt. Ed Godfrey 40717 On 8/21/2014 8:05 AM, bob88 wrote: > > Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off the floor. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971 > >


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    Time: 07:11:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Main gear installation
    From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    Just got a couple of guys and we lifted it up on top of the workbench. No issues. Phil On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote: > carl.froehlich@verizon.net> > > Engine hoist strapped to the engine mount (nylon straps, not a chain). A > stand for under the tail once you get it lifted. > > Without an engine the airplane will not be stable - so you need more than a > temporary tail stand if you are planning on delaying mounting the engine. > Even after engine mount if you still need to be crawling around the tail > cone a tail stand is recommended. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Godfrey > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:22 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main gear installation > > > Bob, > I had a similar situation. I added some extra 2x4's to the bottom of > my dolly, so that I would have ground clearance for the landing gear to the > floor, since I will need to keep the plane on the dolly to get it out of > the > garage. I then used some additional 2x4's and a 4x4 in the front to get it > high enough to insert the gear legs. I believe that I had to go to 30" of > ground clearance to insert them. I also needed to remove the mid-seat-rail > support to be able to insert the bolt. > > Ed Godfrey > 40717 > > On 8/21/2014 8:05 AM, bob88 wrote: > > > > Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to > install > the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off > the floor. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:48:21 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Main gear installation
    I had the same setup. Put it up on a 6 foot lifetime folding table from Costco. Worked great...I sill have the table. Also used the table when I did the gear fairings. Used blocks under the nose gear to level. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Main gear installation Anyone have a great idea about how to raise the fuselage enough to install the main gear legs? Currently I have it on a wood dolly about 18 inches off the floor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428971#428971


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    Time: 12:17:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Governor mounting stud question
    From: "rleffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Just as a follow to my question. Per Lycoming, the studs do NOT go through the case. bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Phase I http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429016#429016


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    Time: 12:44:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Engine installation sequencing
    From: "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net>
    I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018


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    Time: 12:44:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Governor mounting stud question
    From: John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com>
    To the age old question of lubricating valve cover gaskets. I intentional left one au natural and the others got a combination of engine oil and DC4. The Au Natural developed in immediate leak. Lesson learned, lube with DC4 as recommended and DO NOT overtorque the gasket thinking you know better than the specs. Check those gaskets! John On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, rleffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: > > Just as a follow to my question. Per Lycoming, the studs do NOT go > through the case. > > bob > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Phase I > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429016#429016 > >


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    Time: 01:02:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine installation sequencing
    From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Or better option, design your panel to come out of the plane as an assembly. At some point or another panel work will come your way, either a fix or the amazingly frequent modifications that you will want to do. For the annual my first step is to remove the panel for better access. Start to finish this only takes 10 minutes or so. WRT engine mount I'm not sure if the upper forward fuselage makes a difference or not. I had the fuselage 100% done before engine mount - including interior paint. Carl 190 hours and already on the second panel design. > On Aug 21, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote: > > > I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:41:09 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
    Subject: Engine installation sequencing
    Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is secured to the plane. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018


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    Time: 02:39:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine installation sequencing
    From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
    I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl. It makes life much easier! Bob Sent from my iPad > On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote: > > > Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and proceed > to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit interesting to buck > around where the motor mount attaches to the firewall. I'm now wiring up my > panel on the bench and my motor is secured to the plane. > > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88 > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing > > > I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper > forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics > installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the > cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed > with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:15:21 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine installation sequencing
    I did all the wiring and engine installation before riveting on the fwd upper fuse, bolting down the cabin top, and riveting the aft upper panel. I'm now working on the windows and windshield. My panel is designed to be removable and the engine controls panel is mounted to a fiberglass 'console' that's bolted to the tunnel. I did not attach the engine control cables to the subpanel bracket .... in fact, I removed the bracket. Seems like I can't resist doing things contrary to the plans. :-P Linn On 8/21/2014 3:43 PM, bob88 wrote: > > I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 09:41:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Need QB wing plans
    From: Tom Strickland <tom@sourcenet.com>
    You may wish to call your congressman. Many times they can get things noticed. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.ne t > wrote: > All, > > > Following up on my note about a Rhode Island Air National Guard C-130 > damaging my airplane, I=99m working with Van=99s to just orde r a right Quick > Build wing as the repair option. My RV-10 was a slow build so I have tho se > plans. What I don=99t know is what parts to order/delete from the Quick > Build order form as things like torque tubes, bell cranks, flap, aileron > and wingtip will be reused from the current wing. > > > If anyone has a PDF of the quick build wing plans I=99d appreciate getting > it. > > > On my claim with the Air National Guard I=99m sad to report that th ey have > failed to step up. 100% of my communication with the Rhode Island Air > National Guard Ops Boss has been me calling him. On the last call I was > told they are taking no action and that I should just file an claim again st > my insurance policy (and thus eat the forever forward increase in my > insurance premium). After a day of calls I finally broke the code to get > into the Air National Guard command here in DC. I got a claim form to fi ll > out which I submitted earlier this week. The two voice mails I left aski ng > if they got my claim remain unanswered. > > > Back when I wore the uniform accountability and leadership were still cor e > competencies. Based on this experience I conclude times have changed. > > > Carl > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > >




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