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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Detachable instrument panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Carlos Trigo)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Carlos Trigo)
3. 03:37 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Carlos Trigo)
4. 04:29 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Linn Walters)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (Bob Leffler)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands ()
7. 06:20 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Carlos Trigo)
8. 06:28 AM - Re: Rotating wing stands (Carlos Trigo)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: Removable upper fuselage assembly (Carlos Trigo)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: Removable upper fuselage assembly (Bob Leffler)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Linn Walters)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") (Linn Walters)
13. 01:35 PM - Re: Engine installation sequencing (woxofswa)
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| Subject: | Detachable instrument panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") |
Carl
Would you please describe your design of your detachable instrument panel.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
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De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Carl Froehlich
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 21:02
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
--> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Or better option, design your panel to come out of the plane as an assembly.
At some point or another panel work will come your way, either a fix or the
amazingly frequent modifications that you will want to do. For the annual
my first step is to remove the panel for better access. Start to finish
this only takes 10 minutes or so.
WRT engine mount I'm not sure if the upper forward fuselage makes a
difference or not. I had the fuselage 100% done before engine mount -
including interior paint.
Carl
190 hours and already on the second panel design.
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "bob88" <marty.crooks@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper
forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics
installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the
cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed
with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
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| Subject: | Engine installation sequencing |
Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
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De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
> proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
> interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
> firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is secured
to the plane.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
>
>
> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the
> upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get
> avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on
> my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine
> installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just
clecoed in place.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
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| Subject: | Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") |
Linn
Following similar requests I made to other -10 builders, and obviously being
very interested in using a removable instrument panel, will you please
describe your solution.
If possible, please include pictures.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 23:13
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I did all the wiring and engine installation before riveting on the fwd
upper fuse, bolting down the cabin top, and riveting the aft upper panel.
I'm now working on the windows and windshield.
My panel is designed to be removable and the engine controls panel is
mounted to a fiberglass 'console' that's bolted to the tunnel. I did not
attach the engine control cables to the subpanel bracket .... in fact, I
removed the bracket. Seems like I can't resist doing things contrary to the
plans. :-P Linn
On 8/21/2014 3:43 PM, bob88 wrote:
>
> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper
forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics
installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the
cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed
with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") |
Carlos, pictures don't show anything but connectors hanging in the air.
All the wiring to the instrument panel goes through connectors on the
left side. Antenna cables go direct but have an extra foot of 'slack' to
move the panel back for access. The pitot/static/AOA tubes go through
quick-connects .... from Home Depot. I did have to grind down the
panel where the hand-holds are to clear the rivet tails .... I can't
drop the panel down because it rests on a console.
As for your question about the upper fwd fuse section, it slips in
really easily and you can cleco everything down. The rivets on the side
next to the firewall will become CherryMax. I also did my engine
installation with it off so have CherryMax rivets in the upper
firewall. I also put the Aircraft Spruce firewall blanket on the inside
.... one 4' in front of the pedals and a 2' up top. After I took this pic.
The red fuel selector is Van's selector embedded in flox.
Linn ..... windows/windshield.
On 8/22/2014 6:48 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Linn
>
> Following similar requests I made to other -10 builders, and obviously being
> very interested in using a removable instrument panel, will you please
> describe your solution.
> If possible, please include pictures.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Carlos
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
> Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 23:13
> Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
>
>
> I did all the wiring and engine installation before riveting on the fwd
> upper fuse, bolting down the cabin top, and riveting the aft upper panel.
> I'm now working on the windows and windshield.
> My panel is designed to be removable and the engine controls panel is
> mounted to a fiberglass 'console' that's bolted to the tunnel. I did not
> attach the engine control cables to the subpanel bracket .... in fact, I
> removed the bracket. Seems like I can't resist doing things contrary to the
> plans. :-P Linn
>
> On 8/21/2014 3:43 PM, bob88 wrote:
>>
>> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper
> forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics
> installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the
> cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed
> with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
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| Subject: | Re: Engine installation sequencing |
I didn't have to do anything except not to rivet it in place. It comes off very
easily. You can see many photos on my build log. Mykitlog.com/rleffler
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:28 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
> proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
> interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
> firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is secured
to the plane.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
>
>
> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the
> upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get
> avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on
> my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine
> installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just
clecoed in place.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotating wing stands |
See if this pic comes through, Carlos. Basically, bolt the wing spar to the
swivel block on one stand, make "sandwich" 2x4's to attach to the end rib
on the tip end and bolt to the other stand.
Later, - Lew
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
> Guys
>
> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can you
> please point me out to some information about those?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation sequencing") |
Thank you Linn
So, every single wire that goes to the panel has a connector. That triggers
a new question:
What was your criteria to group those wires that have a single function,
like for example a switch or an annunciator light wire? Did you use 1-wire
connectors?
(The picture would be, anyway, good to see that .. :))
Carlos
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
Enviada: 22 de agosto de 2014 12:27
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Removable Instrument Panel (was "Engine installation
sequencing")
Carlos, pictures don't show anything but connectors hanging in the air. All
the wiring to the instrument panel goes through connectors on the left side.
Antenna cables go direct but have an extra foot of 'slack' to move the panel
back for access. The pitot/static/AOA tubes go through quick-connects ....
from Home Depot. I did have to grind down the panel where the hand-holds
are to clear the rivet tails .... I can't drop the panel down because it
rests on a console.
As for your question about the upper fwd fuse section, it slips in really
easily and you can cleco everything down. The rivets on the side next to
the firewall will become CherryMax. I also did my engine installation with
it off so have CherryMax rivets in the upper firewall. I also put the
Aircraft Spruce firewall blanket on the inside .... one 4' in front of the
pedals and a 2' up top. After I took this pic.
The red fuel selector is Van's selector embedded in flox.
Linn ..... windows/windshield.
On 8/22/2014 6:48 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
<mailto:trigo@mail.telepac.pt> <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
Linn
Following similar requests I made to other -10 builders, and obviously being
very interested in using a removable instrument panel, will you please
describe your solution.
If possible, please include pictures.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Linn Walters
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 23:13
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
<mailto:flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
I did all the wiring and engine installation before riveting on the fwd
upper fuse, bolting down the cabin top, and riveting the aft upper panel.
I'm now working on the windows and windshield.
My panel is designed to be removable and the engine controls panel is
mounted to a fiberglass 'console' that's bolted to the tunnel. I did not
attach the engine control cables to the subpanel bracket .... in fact, I
removed the bracket. Seems like I can't resist doing things contrary to the
plans. :-P Linn
On 8/21/2014 3:43 PM, bob88 wrote:
<marty.crooks@comcast.net>
I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper
forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics
installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the
cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed
with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
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| Subject: | Rotating wing stands |
Id did come through.
Thanks a lot
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de lewgall@charter.net
Enviada: 22 de agosto de 2014 14:12
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
See if this pic comes through, Carlos. Basically, bolt the wing spar to the
swivel block on one stand, make "sandwich" 2x4's to attach to the end rib
on the tip end and bolt to the other stand.
Later, - Lew
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rotating wing stands
> Guys
>
> I am looking for pictures or pdf files of rotating wing stands, can
> you please point me out to some information about those?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Removable upper fuselage assembly |
Thank you Bob
I tried to find them in your build log, but I didn't.
Could you please point me out to the exact place where to find this
particular subject.
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 22 de agosto de 2014 13:35
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I didn't have to do anything except not to rivet it in place. It comes
off very easily. You can see many photos on my build log.
Mykitlog.com/rleffler
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:28 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
> proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
> interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
> firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is
> secured
to the plane.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
>
>
> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the
> upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get
> avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on
> my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine
> installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or
> just
clecoed in place.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removable upper fuselage assembly |
Look at 5/24/10 in the finish kit section.
12/29/11 in the panel section
You can see that the upper fuselage is just cleco'd in. All you have to do is
slightly tilt it to get it out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2014, at 10:07 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Thank you Bob
I tried to find them in your build log, but I didn't.
Could you please point me out to the exact place where to find this
particular subject.
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 22 de agosto de 2014 13:35
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I didn't have to do anything except not to rivet it in place. It comes
off very easily. You can see many photos on my build log.
Mykitlog.com/rleffler
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:28 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
> proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
> interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
> firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is
> secured
to the plane.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob88
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine installation sequencing
>
>
> I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the
> upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get
> avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on
> my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine
> installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or
> just
clecoed in place.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429018#429018
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On 8/22/2014 10:28 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
Mine came in blank .... If I need to resend it .... lemme know.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Engine installation sequencing |
I built per the plans. The ONLY time I've really been on my back and cussing was
when I had to remove my parking brake valve.
Otherwise, it takes me three minutes to remove an EFIS screen and have access to
my sub panel and wiring and if that isn't enough, it takes me 6 minutes to remove
the entire side of my instrument panel and have access to basically everything
on that side. Having an Instrument panel that is one solid assembly across
the cockpit looks cool, but having it segmented into removable sections is
sure nice for assembly, inspection, and maintenance.
One thing a thought really hard about doing was removable eyebrow panels on the
outside in front of the windscreen like Socata does. In the end, I'm glad I
didn't because it hasn't really proven necessary.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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